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In the way Saiyans were depicted as acting in u7 prior to extinction, no Goku and vegeta don’t really. More characters good. If you don’t like a show so much stop watching and more importantly stop posting
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Black August posted:More serious I genuinely wonder if Goku, however this arc ends, will in fact keep his promise to resurrect Freiza He'll get to it right after he revives King Kai.
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Sep 22, 2017 02:44
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Rhonne posted:He'll get to it right after he revives King Kai. New plan: Freeza moves in to King Kai's house.
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Sep 22, 2017 02:52
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Watching the dub Frost's Third form is weirdly smaller than Freezas Like, Freeza was a monster in that form. Easily 8 feet tall if not bigger and way wider. Frost is barely any taller than he normally is
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Sep 22, 2017 02:59
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TenCentFang posted:Would "I wish for Freeza to be revived but unable to do evil" count as just one? I wonder how much you can chain to a single wish. That would just retroactively make every prior conflict pointless.
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Sep 22, 2017 03:01
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Also watching his fight with Goku, I really doubt Frost was stronger than Namek Era Freeza. Goku likely could have beaten him in his base form. Frost is just really weak and underhanded, that's his entire shtick. In a way, that's why he's the opposite of Freeza. I cannot wait to see what poo poo he gets up to in this tournament
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Sep 22, 2017 03:09
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Considering Piccolo struggled with him, he'd have to be stronger than Namek Freiza. After fusing with Kami Piccolo was on par with 17, who was easily stronger than Freiza.
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Sep 22, 2017 03:22
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Also given that literally all Piccolo does all day every day is meditate, train, or babysit Pan there's no way he wasn't stronger than that.
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Sep 22, 2017 03:30
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Momomo posted:Considering Piccolo struggled with him, he'd have to be stronger than Namek Freiza. After fusing with Kami Piccolo was on par with 17, who was easily stronger than Freiza. base goku got a buff post god transformation as well so it's not like he's as strong as he was against freeza either tho really I wouldn't think about it too hard
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Sep 22, 2017 03:35
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Piccolo is only ever as weak as he needs to be. This is the guy who was having trouble with Shisami, a man who was laughably compared to Zarbon and Dodoria in terms of strength.
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Sep 22, 2017 03:38
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I remember Hit mentioning that now that Frost has been exposed and disgraced, he's been on the run, and he got stronger for it. He's no golden Frieza, but he's stronger than he was at the last tournament
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Sep 22, 2017 03:50
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Who was he on the run from anyway?
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Sep 22, 2017 04:25
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dr.acula posted:Who was he on the run from anyway? space popo
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Sep 22, 2017 04:26
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I guess universe 6 Jaco could be a bad rear end but then why isnt he in the ToP
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Sep 22, 2017 04:29
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dr.acula posted:I guess universe 6 Jaco could be a bad rear end but then why isnt he in the ToP He is He's secretly Jiren
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Sep 22, 2017 04:30
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Burkion posted:He is I guess Hit could be his analogue but I dont think Hit was looking for him and then when he was he found him instantly
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Sep 22, 2017 04:30
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Blue Star posted:lol wut? Goku and Vegeta dont act like Saiyans? I mean, the literal entire point of DBZ is that no Goku doesn't act like a Saiyan beyond loving to fight, and the only way Vegeta could grow as a character was to let Earth and his not very Saiyan Saiyan frienemy rub off on him. Like, no, I don't think a 'proper' Saiyan takes their kid to an amusement park and tries his hardest to NOT go to a fighting tournament because his wife's about to pop a kid.
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Sep 22, 2017 04:30
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Vegeta as he is, no longer acts like a PROUD SAYIAN WARRIOR That got beaten out of him either on Earth or on Namek depending. After that he kept faltering back and forth, knowing he was weakening in his heart and having too much pride to let go. That's why him sacrificing himself against Buu, though ultimately pointless, was THE turning point for his character. His one selfless action that killed who he was for good and let a new man be born.
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Sep 22, 2017 04:38
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Also is anyone getting Injustice Superman vibes from Jiren? I get the feeling his teammates are kind of scared of him and all this gung ho-ness about Justice is actually out of sheer Stockholm syndrome.
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dr.acula posted:Also is anyone getting Injustice Superman vibes from Jiren? I get the feeling his teammates are kind of scared of him and all this gung ho-ness about Justice is actually out of sheer Stockholm syndrome. I definitely get the feeling that they're not as good as they like to appear. Toppo isn't exactly how Toriyama typically draws genuinely heroic characters.
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Sep 22, 2017 04:41
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dr.acula posted:Also is anyone getting Injustice Superman vibes from Jiren? I get the feeling his teammates are kind of scared of him and all this gung ho-ness about Justice is actually out of sheer Stockholm syndrome. The only one that seems to differ to Jiren is Dyspo and that only because he kept loving up in front of him.
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Sep 22, 2017 04:57
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Didn't Frieza say that Earth's dragon balls would suffice for his resurrection? So I mean, he has a plan, but all Goku has to do is wish him back to life and he's kept up his end of the bargain! If Beerus, Champa and Mighty Mouse are there with a triple Hakai fully loaded then that's not on Goku.
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Sep 22, 2017 05:04
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Jiren can't be the same species as Jaco because he doesn't have any of the darker parts on him plus his species all looks identical to Jaco
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Sep 22, 2017 05:22
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sexpig by night posted:I mean, the literal entire point of DBZ is that no Goku doesn't act like a Saiyan beyond loving to fight, and the only way Vegeta could grow as a character was to let Earth and his not very Saiyan Saiyan frienemy rub off on him. Like, no, I don't think a 'proper' Saiyan takes their kid to an amusement park and tries his hardest to NOT go to a fighting tournament because his wife's about to pop a kid. How does Caulifaa act like a proper Saiyan, then? As far as i've seen she hasnt committed genocide or killed anyone. In what way is she like old school Saiyans like Nappa, Raditz, etc.? And again, WHO CARES? Why do we need more Saiyans? There's an opportunity to introduce whole new characters from entirely different universes and they turn out to be...more goddamn Saiyans. Whoopdee doo.
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Sep 22, 2017 05:28
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genocide isn't a saiyan racial trait. freeza swooped them up and made them his personal planetary extinction squad, then killed them when he got worried that they could get stronger than him. u6's freeza analog made them an interplanetary police force instead, but they still like fighting strong dudes and really there haven't ever been that many saiyans. if you wanna find a problem here then it's that the saiyans left everyone in the dust ages ago, not that there are too many of them (there are literally two before super, c'mon)
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Nessus posted:Didn't Frieza say that Earth's dragon balls would suffice for his resurrection? So I mean, he has a plan, but all Goku has to do is wish him back to life and he's kept up his end of the bargain! If Beerus, Champa and Mighty Mouse are there with a triple Hakai fully loaded then that's not on Goku. Why would Beerus, Champa and especially Quitella care.
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Sep 22, 2017 06:03
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So even after after the tournament, assuming U7 wins, Frieza has like 21 hours left of borrowed time. Plenty of time to gently caress things up.
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Sep 22, 2017 06:08
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Manatee Cannon posted:genocide isn't a saiyan racial trait. freeza swooped them up and made them his personal planetary extinction squad, then killed them when he got worried that they could get stronger than him. u6's freeza analog made them an interplanetary police force instead, but they still like fighting strong dudes There are 6 though I mean if they count for the SSG ritual it's a Saiyan and no you can't be a 1/4 of something. Anyways ya'll leave lady Goku alone
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Sep 22, 2017 06:52
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there are 2 saiyans and a gaggle of half saiyans there is a pretty clear behavioral divide between those two groups
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Sep 22, 2017 06:56
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MonsterEnvy posted:Why would Beerus, Champa and especially Quitella care.
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Sep 22, 2017 07:10
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we should make a bunch of frieza clones to sate blue star
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Sep 22, 2017 07:14
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I'm just waiting on Troppo to meet Frieza and ask why he's with that villain Goku. I wanna see him interact with Hit too. How do people want him and Vegeta out already? They've barely done anything!
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Sep 22, 2017 07:15
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RBX posted:I'm just waiting on Troppo to meet Frieza and ask why he's with that villain Goku. I wanna see him interact with Hit too. How do people want him and Vegeta out already? They've barely done anything! Frieza is mostly because of people suckin his big ol' icer cock in the thread, I reckon
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Sep 22, 2017 07:23
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RBX posted:I'm just waiting on Troppo to meet Frieza and ask why he's with that villain Goku. I wanna see him interact with Hit too. How do people want him and Vegeta out already? They've barely done anything! I think Freeza just has the only real ongoing plot rn aside from Alien Saitama and people wanna see that addressed instead of more faffing around with uninteresting cannon fodder.
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Sep 22, 2017 07:29
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I'm pretty sure a lot of people asking for Vegeta, Hit, or Frezia to be knocked out are trying to interject some interest in the tournament instead of how formulaic and by the numbers it's been; the tournament has been super boring because it's been curbstomp after curbstomp so it seems reasonable people who want to mix it up might go 'hey what if we just dropped Vegeta' because that would both raise tension and let at least one person in the tournament that isn't from Universe 6 or 7 show up as being kind of a threat. Arguably the most well built up character outside of those is loving Dypso, because he actually did manage to fight Hit for awhile and didn't fall off the edge immediately at the end.
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Sep 22, 2017 07:33
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The only plot right now is winning the tournament. Until there's a winner nothing else matters. The fun of it is just seeing all the characters interact. The only bad things recently is characters we've already seen interact just doing it again. We just need new interactions. Randomly dropping characters for the sake of false tension is really dumb and is a hallmark of bad writing. They need none of that. Like I said earlier all the small fry's are almost eliminated then it gets good.
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Sep 22, 2017 07:38
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Ribrianne has been doing decent. Though I would like to see other fighters from the other universes that are actual contenders.
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Sep 22, 2017 07:42
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RBX posted:The only plot right now is winning the tournament. Until there's a winner nothing else matters. The fun of it is just seeing all the characters interact. The only bad things recently is characters we've already seen interact just doing it again. We just need new interactions. The tournament itself is already filled with false tension though because it keeps trying to act like U7 is under fire but then there's scenes where Goku literally walks through an opponent's techniques because he's just that much more powerful then them. Even 'seeing the characters interact' isn't really accurate; they only interact with one person, Goku, and only in the sense of 'I'm gonna beat you up.' and Goku going "ahaha this is gonna be fun." and then Goku beats them up. Sometimes with assists from other people.
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Sep 22, 2017 07:47
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Stallion Cabana posted:The tournament itself is already filled with false tension though because it keeps trying to act like U7 is under fire but then there's scenes where Goku literally walks through an opponent's techniques because he's just that much more powerful then them.
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dr.acula posted:Also is anyone getting Injustice Superman vibes from Jiren? I get the feeling his teammates are kind of scared of him and all this gung ho-ness about Justice is actually out of sheer Stockholm syndrome. It's unlikely, but I'm hoping it's just that Jiren's the quiet type who doesn't like fighting despite his power. It's pretty much the only thing that can help set him apart from other rivals to Goku, IMO. I know Toppo said they'd drop justice for this tournament, but I took it more as "poo poo, we're down to three people. I know it sucks, but we have to get our acts together if we want to save our universe". Burkion posted:That's why him sacrificing himself against Buu, though ultimately pointless, was THE turning point for his character. His one selfless action that killed who he was for good and let a new man be born. A good post.  What's remarkable to me is that even in Super, Vegeta keeps growing as a character. He starts off reluctantly making time for his family, to admitting he loves his wife and kid, becoming a teacher to Cabba and teaching him to take pride in his heritage, being an actual father figure to Future Trunks, and actively wanting to be there for the birth of his next child. Guy's really come a long way.RBX posted:The only plot right now is winning the tournament. Until there's a winner nothing else matters. The fun of it is just seeing all the characters interact. The only bad things recently is characters we've already seen interact just doing it again. We just need new interactions. I agree about the character interaction. Some of the better parts of this tournament was when other universes clashed with ones that aren't U7. The Hit and Dyspo fight was pretty fun, and Caulifla and Kale facing off with the other Pride Troopers got us good character development for Kale. We really need more of that.
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