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Jurgan posted:I tried that one a while ago. Here's the response I got: Lol just save both lib, easy peasy lemon squeezy.  Also wow that was a lot of words.
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Pirate Radar posted:And it shouldn’t be, it just exposes their inconsistencies. Oh for sure. If you could convince partisans with something that simple there wouldn't still be a need for the discussion.
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Oct 18, 2017 04:20
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CommieGIR posted:Its Sean Hannity. It means nothing. https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/920251338096857089 This will surely lead to President Clinton's impeachment/resignation!
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Oct 18, 2017 05:27
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Uranium! drat, I always forget that one.
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Oct 18, 2017 05:36
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Russia thread already covered this and not only was that article written by the former EIC of the Washington Times (i.e. the crazy Moonie paper), but it was a case that was closed two years ago and isn't even really that damning to Clinton other than "because Clinton Foundation somehow". It's even written kind of weasely to make it look worse than it is to Clinton, rather than the companies that were engaging in bribes to other companies and interests; a lot of Russian bribes being thrown at corporations and police, for example.
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Oct 18, 2017 06:36
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I mean, you could always ask a pro-lifer: Ok, so you're pro-life? So you also should agree to raise taxes to increase social welfare programs for people who can't afford the child (for whatever reason, disability, etc) right? Increased funding for government housing, EBT, welfare and so on and so forth, correct? Because you care so much about the child, that would be something you're totally on board with, right? I've posed it like this, or some variance of, and it never fails to have someone say "Oh no, no way." At which point, you're not "pro-life" you're "pro-birth." These assholes couldn't give a gently caress less about the child, mother or family once born, they just want to force the mother to carry the baby to term. gently caress these disingenuous assholes.
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Oct 18, 2017 09:07
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Zipperelli. posted:I mean, you could always ask a pro-lifer: I've speculated that we could please a lot of groups by introducing a standard Child Subsidy. Women's Rights groups would like it because it eases the burden on single mothers. 'Men's Rights' groups would like it for killing their bugbear of Child Support. Pro-lifers / religious groups would like it because it encourages people to keep the child. Socialists would like it as a step toward universal basic income. Racists would like it because a higher birth rate reduces the dependence on immigration. Nationalists would like it for helping to ensure the future supply of young men to die in foreign wars. There's something for everybody here, really.
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Oct 18, 2017 10:39
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Excuse me but does this plan cut taxes for rich people. No. So it is clearly Communism. 
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Oct 18, 2017 11:18
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If pro-life people could be moved by rational argument there wouldn't be any pro-life people. It's not a rational position. I don't mean like, "lol, they're so dumb." I mean it in the literal way. Pro-life is a position born of naive moralism. The whole point is that you believe that preventing abortion is worth it no matter the cost. If you tell them, "Well this position literally kills women..." it only ends up strengthening their faith in the truth of their position because they see themselves as the only ones really grappling with the tough questions and coming to the right answer. This is because the whole point of morals is that you do not give them up when it's convenient. The more you come at them with rational arguments against their position the more secure they feel in their morals as the person the standing their ground. The only way to convince a pro-life person is to start from their morals and show them how their moral interest is being violated by policies like those that jail mothers and force them to give birth while handcuffed on nothing more than the suspicion that they may have used an illegal drug. Show them the criminalization of pregnancy and the world their "state-backed morals" leads to. That's the only route forward. You're not going to convince them with statistics. Moral arguments need to be refuted with arguments based in morality. From the accounts of religious pro-life people who turned the corner and became pro choice that's the one thing that sticks with me. They changed the position they supported because it became clear that it wasn't serving the moral interest they thought it was. ErIog fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Drill down an anti-abortion person's views deep enough ("why don't you support actual children?," "why don't you support sex ed which lowers pregnancy in the first place," etc) and they will end up with "well they shouldn't be having sex in the first place" and end it there. It's about taking away the agency from women first and foremost and debating them in good faith with lose every time since they actually don't really care about babies. I'm sure there are some minority of people against abortion being legal that also heavily support social programs but the actual movement is not about that at all.
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Oct 18, 2017 12:35
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I know Alex Jones is more Looney Tunes character than Republican, but did you all see this? http://www.ceh.org/news-events/press-releases/content/sperm-damaging-lead-alex-jones-supplements/ Two of his supplements have 2 to 6 times higher amount of lead in them than you should consume.
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Jurgan posted:I tried that one a while ago. Here's the response I got: All that typing and no comment from them on whether the idea of a cooler full of embryos is itself a problem? Where are the campaigns for eternal cryogenic lockers? Like it's okay for them to angrily protest an abortion clinic where a handful of pregnancies might end each day, but the fertility clinic with orders of magnitude more potential pregnancies either in limbo or due for termination gets a pass?
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Oct 18, 2017 13:03
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Zipperelli. posted:I mean, you could always ask a pro-lifer: Some Catholics are like this. It's a bit of a coin toss whether they vote Republican anyway, though.
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Oct 18, 2017 13:42
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:I know Alex Jones is more Looney Tunes character than Republican, but did you all see this?
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Oct 18, 2017 13:44
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Deptfordx posted:Excuse me but does this plan cut taxes for rich people. No. So it is clearly Communism. Why would we unfairly punish Job Creators???
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Oct 18, 2017 13:45
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Man, there's a lot of "false flag" Vegas shooter stories bouncing around. Not sure how much mainstream traction they're getting but now apparently the security guard has gone into hiding. Probably to avoid the media is my guess.
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BiggerBoat posted:Man, there's a lot of "false flag" Vegas shooter stories bouncing around. Not sure how much mainstream traction they're getting but now apparently the security guard has gone into hiding. Probably to avoid the media is my guess.
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Oct 18, 2017 14:23
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Pretty much since Sandy Hook brought crazy truthers into the public space, every mass shooting has had some crazy conspiracy attached to it
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Oct 18, 2017 14:25
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BiggerBoat posted:Man, there's a lot of "false flag" Vegas shooter stories bouncing around. Not sure how much mainstream traction they're getting but now apparently the security guard has gone into hiding. Probably to avoid the media is my guess. The security guard is doing the right thing imo. What purpose will going on TV serve? He's going to draw attention to himself and he's going to have truthers harassing him, possibly confronting him with a gun. Plus whatever he says will be twisted around.
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Oct 18, 2017 14:38
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BiggerBoat posted:Man, there's a lot of "false flag" Vegas shooter stories bouncing around. Not sure how much mainstream traction they're getting but now apparently the security guard has gone into hiding. Probably to avoid the media is my guess. I think this particular shooting is going to keep a lot of conspiracy theories because of the lack of motive. We still don't know why this guy did it, and likely never will.
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Oct 18, 2017 14:40
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Any motive discovered will be discounted because it'll come to us through the media, which is controlled by (((lizard men))).
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Oct 18, 2017 15:11
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Mr Interweb posted:Intriguing thought experiment: This is monumentally loving stupid.
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Cythereal posted:I think this particular shooting is going to keep a lot of conspiracy theories because of the lack of motive. We still don't know why this guy did it, and likely never will.
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ZobarStyl posted:Even after all these years of reading about the depths that right wingers will sink to, I still get taken aback by how inhuman they are. They are actively pursuing a man who acted bravely in the face of mass murder because they can't handle the narrative that guns actually cause death if you pull the trigger when it's pointed at another person. Sandy Hook really did prove that there's no ground floor for despicable behavior in the pursuit of MAH GUNS. I was reading Yahoo comments (I know) and laughing at the conspiracy theories and the thing I kept asking is "what's the end game?" I mean if this were a set up or a false flag, why would they even do it like this? And who is they? Somehow Obama and Hillary are involved but unsure how or why. Makes no loving sense.
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Oct 18, 2017 15:24
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think we would have known by now if they found something, since if there’s anything people hate the most, it’s a mass murder without any reasoning Humans got where we are by being good at seeing patterns and meaning in situations where that helped us stay alive, now it's going to be a major contributing factor to our extinction. Kinda like those deer with the unreasonably large horns.
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BiggerBoat posted:I was reading Yahoo comments (I know) and laughing at the conspiracy theories and the thing I kept asking is "what's the end game?" I mean if this were a set up or a false flag, why would they even do it like this? And who is they? Somehow Obama and Hillary are involved but unsure how or why. I went to a diner the other day and Fox News was on the TV (yes, this was in FL) and when I went up to pay one of the waitresses saw something on there that mentioned Hillary and started going off about how she's actually a witch and a lesbian and a baby killer and etc. It was loving shocking, I don't have any weird family that parrots that stuff in real life, to see it being spouted by a real actual person in the flesh was a loving surreal experience. I have no idea what we're going to do about these types as a society, they just don't want to use their brains correctly. Waiting for them to die off isn't working.
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WampaLord posted:It was loving shocking, I don't have any weird family that parrots that stuff in real life, to see it being spouted by a real actual person in the flesh was a loving surreal experience. I have no idea what we're going to do about these types as a society, they just don't want to use their brains correctly. Waiting for them to die off isn't working. Have you never been outside of a message board echo chamber in your life? How insulated are you to correlate opinions you think are lovely with literal insanity? How retarded are you to think they deserve death as a result? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 18, 2017 16:32
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WampaLord posted:I went to a diner the other day and Fox News was on the TV (yes, this was in FL) and when I went up to pay one of the waitresses saw something on there that mentioned Hillary and started going off about how she's actually a witch and a lesbian and a baby killer and etc. Having better mental healthcare would be a good start. Finally realizing that not every opinion is equally valid and equally deserving of attention is another. The latter is harder of course
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Oct 18, 2017 16:32
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Angry_Ed posted:Having better mental healthcare would be a good start. Finally realizing that not every opinion is equally valid and equally deserving of attention is another. The latter is harder of course Whose standard should we use? I assume yours since you appear to be confident that your opinions are Good and Correct. All we have to do is rely on the dearth of objective, unbiased, factual data available on every topic, right?
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Kinsky posted:Have you never been outside of a message board echo chamber in your life? How insulated are you to correlate opinions you think are lovely with literal insanity? How retarded are you to think they deserve death as a result? Not everyone lives in a shithole. It's very easy to go through life without interacting with people like that except on incredibly rare occasions where it is shocking.
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Kinsky posted:All we have to do is rely on the dearth of objective, unbiased, factual data available on every topic, right? Honestly, if we could figure out a way to break brains so that people treated facts with the same reverence they now treat feelings and vice versa I don't know if I'd do it but it would be an interesting tradeoff of one set of problems for another.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Wouldn't solve everything, definitely solves "Hillary Clinton is a baby killer". That's a factually untrue statement based on everything we know at the moment. Don't worry, were making racist robots so feelings can be scientific again.
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Kinsky posted:Have you never been outside of a message board echo chamber in your life? How insulated are you to correlate opinions you think are lovely with literal insanity? How retarded are you to think they deserve death as a result? I keep friends that are cool and not lovely and people at my job are mostly cool and not lovely, so I don't really have much opportunity to run into total nutjobs that much. I'm not saying they deserve death, and don't use the r-word. Also, I didn't call her insane.
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BiggerBoat posted:I was reading Yahoo comments (I know) and laughing at the conspiracy theories and the thing I kept asking is "what's the end game?" I mean if this were a set up or a false flag, why would they even do it like this? And who is they? Somehow Obama and Hillary are involved but unsure how or why. I was seeing “false flag” thrown around a lot with the dumb conspiracy theorists and I don’t think a lot of them know what it means. It’s supposed to be when you intentionally fly the flag of your enemy to confuse them. Like if you’re on a warship and you’re outmatched, you fly the enemy’s colors to throw them off, then you get up close and open fire. It doesn’t make sense when applied to the Vegas shooting because where’s the flag? If he was some secret Democrat operative, then you’d think he would fly the enemy’s colors and act like a crazy gun-nut right-winger as openly as possible and we’d be hearing about that non-stop from the fake news liberal media. He would have fake right-wing social media posts and whatnot. Instead, we hear nothing, and no clear motive. The conspiracy theorists really, really want him to be a left-winger though. So the other big conspiracy theory I’ve seen is that he was not really a “government operative” or whatever, but rather a radical leftist antifa guy, because he shot up a country music festival you see. And we don’t hear anything because the government and the fake news media is covering up the motive. So that would be a cover-up and not a false flag. Not that that makes any sense either but there you go.
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Angry_Ed posted:Having better mental healthcare would be a good start. Finally realizing that not every opinion is equally valid and equally deserving of attention is another. The latter is harder of course Not everyone with odd opinions is diagnosable as mentally ill. Just about everyone in Nazi Germany believed in absurd things about Jewish people, because they'd been told them all their lives.
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A false flag attack is like 9/11 where the US government attacked it's own people to declare war on foreign countries. In the case of Vegas and Sandy Hook, it's the government attacking it's own people to ban guns.
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Shbobdb posted:Not everyone lives in a shithole. It's very easy to go through life without interacting with people like that except on incredibly rare occasions where it is shocking. WampaLord posted:I keep friends that are cool and not lovely and people at my job are mostly cool and not lovely, so I don't really have much opportunity to run into total nutjobs that much. So you're rating people based on how reasonable you think their opinions are, and places based on how many people around you have what you consider to be reasonable opinions. How can you not see that's the most judgmental poo poo in the world? What can you even say you know about the waitress that allows you to make the reasonable assertion that she's "lovely" or a "total nutjob"? You're literally dismissing the entire logical capacity of a total stranger based on one single thing you heard her say once, so WampaLord posted:don't use the r-word don't preach to me about being dismissive. Salacious Spy fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Lol. "If we're nice to Republicans and lunatics surly they will come around! It would be dismissive and classist not to listen to this man's three hour lecture on phrenology and kekistan!"
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BarbarianElephant posted:Not everyone with odd opinions is diagnosable as mentally ill. Just about everyone in Nazi Germany believed in absurd things about Jewish people, because they'd been told them all their lives. Yes, however a nonzero of people who start believing in these ridiculous conspiracy theories are doing so because of some level of emotional or mental trauma that, because of the stigmatization of mental heathcare in this country, they refuse to talk to people about it. I have a friend who suffered a life-threatening incident several years ago and as a result became very steeped in poo poo like Chemtrails, 9/11 Truthism, ridiculous poo poo Alex Jones said, etc. It took him about 5 years to realize that these beliefs in Chemtrails and other conspiracy theories were directly tied to his unresolved issues over nearly dying. If he'd seen a therapist or someone else he could've talked this stuff out with, it might not have taken as long. I'm not saying this applies to everyone, but it applies to enough people.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Wouldn't solve everything, definitely solves "Hillary Clinton is a baby killer". That's a factually untrue statement based on everything we know at the moment. What "we know" is a string of facts that are third-hand at best. Don't assume you're an expert on a topic just because you clicked on a bunch of articles on Google News. The fact that you would even consider literally changing the brain chemistry of everyone in the world to eliminate wrongthink shows how ridiculously shortsighted you are.
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