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Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

his name is nighteye

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Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Calibanibal posted:

if all-might doesnt have an on-again off-again love interest superheroine who just hasnt been introduced yet, i will eat my hat
I feel like anything romantic All-Might may have in this manga will be played like Aizawa's stuff, ie, as a joke.

Which is kinda sad. On the other hand this manga is so far really bad with relationships to the point of kinda parodying western comics so maybe that's for the best.

Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids

All Might killed his wife and stored the body in a refrigerator that he had Deku clean up off of the beach.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Spiderdrake posted:

I feel like anything romantic All-Might may have in this manga will be played like Aizawa's stuff, ie, as a joke.

Which is kinda sad. On the other hand this manga is so far really bad with relationships to the point of kinda parodying western comics so maybe that's for the best.

I mean, the only bit of romantic relationships we have so far is Deku and Ochako mutually crushing on each other and Toga being messed up. I don't know if i'd call that "really bad".

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

SyntheticPolygon posted:

I mean, the only bit of romantic relationships we have so far is Deku and Ochako mutually crushing on each other and Toga being messed up. I don't know if i'd call that "really bad".

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Eri's rewind maguffin won't matter after this fight is over - It's not like Deku is going to spend the rest of the series with her stuffed in his backpack.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



PMush Perfect posted:

This whole arc feels like a filler movie. The only characters who're having consequences are the ones introduced during it, and the main villains are clowning all over the new guys.

This arc is almost half of the chapters in the entire series of you count from the start of their internship, 1/3 if you only count from the start of the raid.

It's been stupidly dragged out.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Nitrousoxide posted:

This arc is almost half of the chapters in the entire series of you count from the start of their internship, 1/3 if you only count from the start of the raid.

It's been stupidly dragged out.

This has lasted that long

:psyduck:

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

it's not a half but jesus this arc has taken almost a year

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Aurora posted:

it's not a half but jesus this arc has taken almost a year

it took less time for Deku to go from having no powers, to:
getting into superman school
doing classes for several months
having a villain attack during a test
do a tournament arc
Teach Deku how to use his powers without breaking all his bones
have a villain attack and maim the family of a main character, confront him and capture him
Deal with the worldwide fallout of said individual murdering heros
Do a training montage in the forest,
Have another major attack in the class
Have a main character get kidnapped an the villains try to convert him to their side
All might to confront the villains, capture them and loose his abilities entirely
Have another tournament arc that allowed most of the class to get licenses to become heros.

Than it's taken to save this one girl we know nothing about.

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

no it only took as long as maybe stain my dude

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Aurora posted:

no it only took as long as maybe stain my dude

Okay, actually chapter 78, the exact halfway point is the point where Kouta is safe and being brought back by eraser head to the cabin.

104 the 2/3 point was the start of the licensing test, part of the way into the licensing arc.

Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Oct 22, 2017

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Nitrousoxide posted:

Okay, actually chapter 78, the exact halfway point is the point where Kouta is safe and being brought back by eraser head to the cabin.

104 the 2/3 point was the start of the licensing test, part of the way into the licensing arc.
So it's been, what, 30 chapters? I mean, that's a long-rear end time, but not 'a third of the series' long.

Exercu
Dec 7, 2009

EAT WELL, SLEEP WELL, SHIT WELL! THERE'S YOUR ANSWER!!

PMush Perfect posted:

So it's been, what, 30 chapters? I mean, that's a long-rear end time, but not 'a third of the series' long.

38 at this point, if you count from the moment the Big Three were introduced. 38 out of 157 is about a quarter.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Exercu posted:

38 at this point, if you count from the moment the Big Three were introduced. 38 out of 157 is about a quarter.

Have we even been told what the other two Big Three quirks are?

Have they had any narrative purpose?

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

uh, yes

did you miss suneater's fight and the couple of times nejire has shown her stuff off

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Nitrousoxide posted:

Have we even been told what the other two Big Three quirks are?

Have they had any narrative purpose?

Suneater had a whole fight and his backstory helped explore Mirio's character.

Nejire hasn't done much. Her quirk was revealed last week though.

drjuggalo
Jul 26, 2014
dekus only 100% and not blowing his body up from eri, im positive he wont touch this for at least 3 more arcs and im being super conservative, this has been pretty drat good about power scaling so far and if we're gonna keep it honest stain had way less time of build up and just showed up and started killing heroes and it only got tied to the main plot from iidas brother


i feel there was stretched in this arc earlier on but nothing from chisaki being a empty villain and more i think from the anime taking horikoshis time or him waiting on certain chapters for things to happen for number reference (either this arc is gonna show how the league of villains is better from teamwork or chisaki gets intertwined with either them or stain if he gets tossed in jail)


and with stuff like mirio and deadlock and fatgums fight at the end and not when it was stretched to hell was pretty snazzy (even sky captain just kinda got dumped on us then left and still hasnt came back and nobody said poo poo about him)

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


All Might fucks

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids

I hope whoever made that goes and grabs a couple of corn husks for his hair.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Nitrousoxide posted:

Have we even been told what the other two Big Three quirks are?

Have they had any narrative purpose?

:smugjones: Have you been paying attention at all.

Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids

One person makes animalistic body parts based on food he's eaten and the other is the traitor

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



MonsterEnvy posted:

:smugjones: Have you been paying attention at all.

To be honest I'd completely forgotten who the big 3 were, because they've done nothing, except for weird faced McPhasor and thought the girl introduced in the last chapter was a completely new character.

Edit: although I suppose Mr. seafood did capture a pointless guy.

Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Oct 22, 2017

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Nitrousoxide posted:

To be honest I'd completely forgotten who the big 3 were, because they've done nothing, except for weird faced McPhasor and thought the girl introduced in the last chapter was a completely new character.

Edit: although I suppose Mr. seafood did capture a pointless guy.

Mr Seafood got several focus chapters.

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Nitrousoxide posted:

Have we even been told what the other two Big Three quirks are?

Have they had any narrative purpose?

sounds like you have a good excuse to read the whole thing over again

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


Imagine reading this arc over again willingly

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

Josuke Higashikata posted:

Imagine reading this arc over again willingly
people do that to like half of One Piece's post time-skip arcs and those are largely terrible and overly long

Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

I can think of a good dozen shounen anime and manga stories that I'd rather ignore in favor of re-reading this arc

Popo
Apr 24, 2008

Homestuck is a true work of art surpassing all of Shakespeare's works.
Dude, I'd be happy to re-read Fat-Gum and Kirishima's fight or Tamaki's 1 v 3 fight. His morphing based on what he eats is one of the most fun powers.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
It might actually read well as a finished arc. Read week to week, the slow pace is very amplified.

Hippopo
Apr 2, 2017

*sigh*

MonsterEnvy posted:

:smugjones: Have you been paying attention at all.

It's way easier to just spout bullshit.

EDIT: For my part, I think the arc's a bit overlong but may read better once it's completed. Thriller Barque and Skypeia in One Piece felt the same way to me at first, too, and now the latter is probably my favorite arc in that story.

Hippopo fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Oct 22, 2017

Popo
Apr 24, 2008

Homestuck is a true work of art surpassing all of Shakespeare's works.

PMush Perfect posted:

It might actually read well as a finished arc. Read week to week, the slow pace is very amplified.

Gotta say I caught up with the series only recently after blitzing the series in a few days and honestly this arc hasn't felt that off. Like, yeah, it's been longer but that's come with introducing some objectively (okay, subjectively) fun characters (Dragon lady, Fatgum, the Big 3) and some, 'eh okay' villains.

It's one of the criticisms I've not really understood reading this thread about Chisaki and the yakuza not being actual characters. They're shallow and mostly one note but that kind of feels like some of the other bad guys. The big guy Midoriya takes out at the training camp was just big beefy dude who wanted to punch poo poo and Moon Fish was a rad design and little more. Chisaki's crew mostly seems to fall into this realm of shallow fodder which is good, in my opinion, as the fights this arc have mostly been about the hero characters embracing their ideas of heroism. Kirashima felt like he wasn't up to scratch and pushed himself hard and Tamaki had his low confidence to deal with. You don't need to give them well rounded opponents to take on as the main heart of those fights is dealing with themselves.

Chisaki himself is by no means a well formed character. He reminds me of an Alan Moore anecdote about early attempts to give super heroes depth so one writer give his character a limp. In this case it's being a germaphobe. It's real dumb but makes for a kind of cool visual motif for the gang. His power is ridiculous and he's not really got personality but he has more so than some of the other villains we've seen. I like that this also addresses how organised crime was changed by Quirks which was a nice bit of world building. Don't get me wrong, I find him kind of boring but I kind of feel that way about all the villains in this series other than Twice, Shigaraki and Toga.

Long and short of it; the villains this arc are shallow but I think that suits the narrative of our main characters better. We don't need to be getting into yet more people deeper stories.

The hallways is still strung out but felt in the moment no more drawn out than the Trail of Bravery set up at the training camp.

Eri is complicated and I'm just happy to sit and see how things pan out. The girls group could have been handled way better but plenty has been said on that as is.

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

Popo posted:

Gotta say I caught up with the series only recently after blitzing the series in a few days and honestly this arc hasn't felt that off.

Bolded for emphasis. If you've never gone back and re-read something you've been waiting week-to-week for releases, the feel of things is massively different. You forget a lot more than you realize in those weeks.

Hopeford
Oct 15, 2010

Eh, why not?
My biggest issue with this arc is that before it went down the villain came off like one of those "I have plans behind plans nothing ever goes wrong because I even win by losing" sorta guys, then he just sorta...is actually cornered by normal investigative work, fights like a normal dude and is in the process of getting clowned. This might be more on me than on the arc itself though. Just seemed like the kind of villain he was being set up as and, I don't know? Just felt off.

That and also if Mirio's quirk really *does* get erased forever. Like, he's a really cool character so if he's shafted immediately after introduction that will feel pretty lame. I figure he's getting his quirk back soon if not immediately though, given Eri's quirk.

Also in fairness, for as much as I complain about the usual spotlight stealing squad, I'll be damned if I'm not missing Todoroki and Bakugou.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


EponymousMrYar posted:

Bolded for emphasis. If you've never gone back and re-read something you've been waiting week-to-week for releases, the feel of things is massively different. You forget a lot more than you realize in those weeks.

I have the opposite issue where I read so fast I don't internalize anything. I read the Whitebeard War arc in One Piece in like a day and it's probably the reason I'm not too hot on that arc lol

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
This arc may turn out better as a reread down the line but it didn't help stuff like Fishman Island or Dressrosa for me, so eh

Popo
Apr 24, 2008

Homestuck is a true work of art surpassing all of Shakespeare's works.

EponymousMrYar posted:

Bolded for emphasis. If you've never gone back and re-read something you've been waiting week-to-week for releases, the feel of things is massively different. You forget a lot more than you realize in those weeks.

Not only that but if you're not quite feeling an arc then a weekly or greater pacing (Berserk...) can multiply those feelings and make you feel the pacing is worse than if you read it in a volume release. If you're not feeling an arc I think it's best to take a step back, let it run ahead a bit consume it in greater batches. Might not help, might make it read better. It's hard though because obviously there's a natural urge to stay current with other fans and the fun of talking about it while its fresh but if you're finding the enjoyment of the comic isn't there at the time its worth a try. Or just stick with it and share the harsher criticisms. S'all good.

quote:

My biggest issue with this arc is that before it went down the villain came off like one of those "I have plans behind plans nothing ever goes wrong because I even win by losing" sorta guys, then he just sorta...is actually cornered by normal investigative work, fights like a normal dude and is in the process of getting clowned. This might be more on me than on the arc itself though. Just seemed like the kind of villain he was being set up as and, I don't know? Just felt off.

I buy this complaint but I also kind of like it. Look at Shigiraki. He wants to be this "The truth is that justice is just the will of those with power!" anti-hero and, to me anyway, comes off as the 13 year old boy who's realised he doesn't have to listen to his dad. I might be way, way off base in how I read this character but I kind of like this idea that the series is embracing the idea of his perceived self and his actual self (something that is clearly a theme for so many other characters). In the same light Chisaki thinks himself this chess master who is brings the world of organised crime into the world of super villainy and in the end it's mundane police work from the world he thinks he's beyond that is his major downfall with the Supers just there to help apprehend him.

I'm probably giving it more credit than it's due though and it doesn't stop him from being underwhelming for the most part.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Popo posted:

He reminds me of an Alan Moore anecdote about early attempts to give super heroes depth so one writer give his character a limp.

I tried to Google this, and while I didn't find the anecdote, I did find several interviews that reminded me how annoying Alan Moore is.

quote:

"To my mind, this embracing of what were unambiguously children's characters at their mid-20th century inception seems to indicate a retreat from the admittedly overwhelming complexities of modern existence," he wrote to Ó Méalóid.

He may not be completely wrong about this, but it's a bit rich coming from a guy who drew porn of characters from 19th-century kids' books.

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Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
Shiggy's true motivation to me is just a really, really deep bitterness that All Might and his brand of justice are so worshiped when All Might didn't save him when he really, desperately needed it.

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