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Farking Bastage posted:I will soon have a 20k funeral bill on my hands. Sorry for your loss, especially under those circumstances. But holy balls, is that number right? The American funeral industry is a loving scam, right up there with the wedding industry, that preys on the bereaved that aren't necessarily thinking clearly. When I'm gone burn me up and put me in a can, if you want to keep the ashes.
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Cremation is pretty expensive too. Instead of $20K for burial you end up with maybe $17K for cremation. I think since the estate in question is pretty well funded they're going with higher tier stuff though. On the low end it's more like ~8-10K.
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Oct 30, 2017 18:28
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Yeah throw in the reception and it's easy 20k
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Oct 30, 2017 18:33
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I'm going to rig up a pyre in the middle of the woods and do things right when i'm done.
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Oct 30, 2017 19:08
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Sky burial for me
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Oct 30, 2017 19:24
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I want to have my remains scattered in Golden Gate Park. I also don't want to be cremated.
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Oct 30, 2017 19:26
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Is improper disposal of human remains a criminal matter, or just the kind of thing you'd get a fine for? Cause if the fine for throwing me in the trash and getting caught is lower than the cost of burial, I think we've got a winner.
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Oct 30, 2017 19:30
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Is improper disposal of human remains a criminal matter, or just the kind of thing you'd get a fine for? Cause if the fine for throwing me in the trash and getting caught is lower than the cost of burial, I think we've got a winner. I'd imagine the state could eventually sue whoever threw your body in the trash for the costs of removing you AND the costs for proper disposal. So the answer is clearly bequeath all your assets while still alive and then suicide yourself via trash compactor. Now the taxpayers are stuck with the bill.
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Oct 30, 2017 19:40
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Is improper disposal of human remains a criminal matter, or just the kind of thing you'd get a fine for? Cause if the fine for throwing me in the trash and getting caught is lower than the cost of burial, I think we've got a winner. It's called "abuse of a corpse" which is iirc a new crime and did not exist under common law Also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-State_Crematory
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Oct 30, 2017 19:41
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euphronius posted:It's called "abuse of a corpse" which is iirc a new crime and did not exist under common law Yeah, we did this one in law school, too.
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Oct 30, 2017 19:43
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blarzgh posted:Yeah, we did this one in law school, too. Law school owned* * in retrospect
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Oct 30, 2017 19:43
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Abuse of s Corpse is a wierd crime tho honestly and not at all well defined or anything. I mean like humping one or dumping in your jungle back yard to decompose are clear cases but Weekend at Bernies??
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Oct 30, 2017 19:45
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If the corpse consents, is it really abuse?
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Oct 30, 2017 19:49
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Mr. Nice! posted:If the corpse consents, is it really abuse? Hanging around alone in a cemetery, at night? That corpse was asking for it.
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Oct 30, 2017 19:51
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Just start a family cemetery. Go see your county clerk to get started (she/he will probably know the laws/regs). I grew up in the country and it was quite common.
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Oct 30, 2017 19:53
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Mr. Nice! posted:If the corpse consents, is it really abuse? That's why it's not really a crime . Well it could be disorderly conduct or Breech of peace or whatever They had to staple on this whole "with knowledge that the corpses family would find the actions emotionally damaging " or something . I don't know what happens when the corpse was an orphan with no relatives .
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Oct 30, 2017 19:55
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No provision for the explicit wishes of the deceased as entered into their will?
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Oct 30, 2017 20:34
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Any conflict between a provision in a will and the law of any relevant jurisdiction renders it null and void AFAIK. I
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Oct 30, 2017 20:38
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My will stipulates that I be buried face down.
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Oct 30, 2017 20:39
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Vargatron posted:My will stipulates that I be buried face down. Same for the chap getting buried above you.
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Oct 30, 2017 21:00
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Couldn't you just donate your body to science?
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Oct 30, 2017 21:03
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I don't plan on dieing in such a lame way that there would be a recognizable body left. YOLO!
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Oct 30, 2017 21:11
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Sticker shock posted:Holy loving poo poo put me in a pine box in the woods Mom's alleged killer(daddy loving dearest) always wanted and pushed for a cremation, but not mom per se. One of the factors in that is my 25 year old, extremely religious, extremely shook up sister, who is local and saw mom the day before this happened. I get it for sure. This poo poo is pricey. The executor of Grandma's will ( my uncle), who is extremely well off himself offered to cover the expenses, either from his pocket or from mom's share of grandma's estate. When little sis got a hold of that info and well... 20k Funeral bill, and that's not including any monuments. Basically it broke out like this( just for those who are curious) Somewhat Plain wooden casket 8K "handling fees"(embalming, handling, etc) 3k burial vault(required) 1250 burial plot 2.5k Fee to open/close grave 700 Flowers little sis picked out ~1k Plus more stuff I can't remember right now It's in the neighborhood of 20k and I can't help but to feel a bit of animosity towards little sis for going apeshit when it wasn't her money. Mom's life insurance "policy" apparently has a clause that if death occurs within a year of the start date( still getting those documents out of Evidence ), they will not pay. This situation keeps on sucking more and more. We got in touch with a local probate attorney today and will have a full consultation in the next couple of days. He's been doing probate law in that county for north of 20 years. The guy who did Grandma's estate 2 years ago wanted an outrageous amount of money. e: it's a good thing I declined to view mom's remains. The detective working the case told me via phone that the murder weapon was a loving .44 magnum.
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Oct 30, 2017 22:55
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For what it's worth your sister probably would have gone apeshit even if it WAS her money. When my brother died my parents spent tens of thousands of dollars they didn't have on his funeral/burial. They got bailed out when it turned out he had a life insurance policy through work he'd never told anyone about, but my parents didn't know that at the time. People are not merely irrational but at MAX irrationality when a loved one has just died, especially unexpectedly. Funeral directors happily benefit from it (although to be somewhat fair to them, the markup on the coffin/vault isn't any worse than the markup on any other product in that price range, and funeral homes are pretty expensive to maintain. They make a good deal of money but they aren't millionaires.)
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Oct 30, 2017 23:00
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Jesus Christ, I'm so sorry you and your family are going through this. You have my deepest condolences.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:00
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What do you do you consider an outrageous amount to probate an estate ?
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Oct 30, 2017 23:03
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euphronius posted:What do you do you consider an outrageous amount to probate an estate ? Grandma's estate planning was north of 10k when grandad died 2 years ago. I may have made an assumption there, and I apologize for that. I know folks gotta eat and make some money themselves, but it sticker shocked me. That was a retainer to boot. I'm looking at 250 an hour with this guy, provided I go with him. e: also my uncle wasn't happy with the job done.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:07
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What is the size of the current estate
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Oct 30, 2017 23:13
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euphronius posted:What is the size of the current estate Mom's is probably negative in value to be honest. Grandma's is easily 7 figures.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:39
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10,000 for a 1,000,000 estate is peanuts and lol low cost . Shockingly low . The negative estate is a different story
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Oct 30, 2017 23:40
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I don't know the details of grandma's for sure, but yeah. Mom's is probably negative, but she's entitled to a third of Grandma's estate which is still in probate, then I have to think about how fuckface could be entitled to her share before a conviction and I just start drinking. This loving sucks.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:44
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euphronius posted:10,000 for a 1,000,000 estate is peanuts and lol low cost . Shockingly low . If mom is inherting a large part of a multi million dollar estate, it isn't negative anymore probably. Also, yeah, $10k isn't anything for a 7 figure estate. I'd be worried about paying that little, honestly.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:44
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nm posted:If mom is inherting a large part of a multi million dollar estate, it isn't negative anymore probably. It seems that was just the retainer which is fair If I were a lawyer I'd charge 50,000 on that estate without blinking
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Oct 30, 2017 23:46
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If there has to be a trial to disinherit the alleged murderer then $$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Oct 30, 2017 23:48
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euphronius posted:If there has to be a trial to disinherit the alleged murderer then Therein lies how much life sucks for me now.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:51
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euphronius posted:It seems that was just the retainer which is fair So you'd charge 5% of the estate value without blinking? Doesn't seem unreasonable. Would the same ratio roughly hold true if it were 2mil or 5mil or 50mil? Would those rise because of additional assumed complexity, or decline because at some point there's a ceiling of complexity you'd hit?
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Oct 30, 2017 23:59
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Zauper posted:So you'd charge 5% of the estate value without blinking? Doesn't seem unreasonable. Would the same ratio roughly hold true if it were 2mil or 5mil or 50mil? Would those rise because of additional assumed complexity, or decline because at some point there's a ceiling of complexity you'd hit? The practice used to be straight percentages yeah . It might still be that way in some areas if the country . It gets more complex the bigger you get . It's not very hard to justify the hours with real work. What you worry about is charging too much and having the tax department looking askance at how much you charged . But if you have a large estate with multiple properties , business interests and squabbling beneficiaries plus estate tax concerns , 100,000 to 200,000 is easy.
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^^ That makes sense. The bitch of this mess is Mom's part of her parents' estate is still completely up in the air. I have no idea what she is entitled to, nor do I see that getting out of probate anytime soon. When it does, I gotta worry about dad taking what he can take under the legal fees part of the slayer statute. At this point, her life insurance policy is pretty much hosed, and my family is on the hook for the final expenses. Yes, my uncle agreed to cover it, but it doesn't make me feel any less guilty about the matter, hence the rift with my sister.
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Oct 31, 2017 02:22
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Condolences on your loss and I'm sorry you're dealing with the aftermath. An old friend of my dad's was shot (execution style) by his 13 year old son a year ago where I live. Hearing second hand all the poo poo the family had to go through with regards to the legal process makes me hope I never have to go through with something like that. For you lawyer folks, what's the process for trying a 13 year old for murder? My understanding was they're basically waiting until he is 18 before they're going to try him and then do it as an adult. Not sure what else can be done other than leaving him him prison the rest of his life. Pretty sure the kid is a sociopath at this point.
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