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I know that GT is a hot loving mess and shouldn't be watched, but one thing I liked about it was that it gave us Oozaru Saiyans that could go super. What I'm saying is that Saiyans without tails just annoys the poo poo out of me for some reason and I just want to see soneone turn into a big rear end ape. I get why Goku no longer has one permanently and I presume that Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Pan probably had theirs and the means to regrow them surgically removed. But come on, Vegeta. It's a sign of Saiyan pride! Broly didn't have one either and none of the U6 Saiyans have tails because they lost them over the course of evolution, which has got to translate to: "We, the animators and manga artists, are worked to near death and not including tails on Saiyans anymore affords us another hour to crank out more artwork."
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Nov 13, 2017 21:39
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Justin_Brett posted:Remember when Shin felt he had a right to run down Krillin for getting eliminated despite Krillin doing objectively more than him to defend his universe in about a minute than he ever had? Everyone else, including his own wife, were all like 'What the hell Krillin?!' and obviously Shin wanted to be the same. But those in glass houses and all that so he tried to be the nice guy in the situation, but being Shin he managed to even gently caress that up.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:40
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Shin has done nothing right for his entire time on screen.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:42
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God I hope Krillin wishes for a timeline where all of his friends are weak idiots and there's no fighting because that man has known nothing but suffering from the moment he met Goku
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Nov 13, 2017 21:43
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Black August posted:God I hope Krillin wishes for a timeline where all of his friends are weak idiots and there's no fighting because that man has known nothing but suffering from the moment he met Goku he wouldn't be married to 18 if not for gero's hate boner for goku so there's that
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Nov 13, 2017 21:44
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I just love how in DB we have two colossal fucks up and the series reminds us how they gently caress up everytime. Shin and Future Trunks.  Shin just took the opportunity to try to knock Krillin down a peg because everyone else was dogpiling on him but he knows he's more of a gently caress up than Krillin. Least Krillin tried.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:47
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Krillin has basically called Shin an idiot a couple times since he's been in the stands and it's always funny.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:48
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Shindragon posted:I just love how in DB we have two colossal fucks up and the series reminds us how they gently caress up everytime. Is Future Trunks really that much of a fuckup, or did I miss something? I don't remember him doing anything that would put him on Shin's level. I always thought of it more as existence itself wants to gently caress up Future Trunks' life.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:53
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Shin: Is that kid who copies what the grown-ups are doing because he wants to fit in, but who can't ever stop just being a spectacular gently caress-up of a kid Krillin: Sometimes gets insulted by his hot wife, 'only' helped take out three people before getting jobbed. Evenly matched rivals.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:54
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Justin_Brett posted:Remember when Shin felt he had a right to run down Krillin for getting eliminated despite Krillin doing objectively more than him to defend his universe in about a minute than he ever had?
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Nov 13, 2017 21:55
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Shin is not really less competent than anybody above him on the totem pole; he's just weak enough that he gets called out for it, unlike his superiors. See Beerus, who's generally agreed to be a lazy incompetent even by Whis, but nobody above him cares and nobody below him can do anything about it. Whis doesn't even seem to think it's his job to do anything about it.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:58
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I bet Krillin could beat Shin.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:58
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:I mean, to be fair, Shin isn't supposed to do anything. It's not his job to step in and fight, the case with Buu was a severe situation and is the only reason he stepped in. By that logic we can shame Beerus for never putting Frieza down either. yeah for as lovely as Shin is, Beerus is by far the worst and it's not even comparable. Dude let poo poo like Buu, Frieza, Piccolo, Goku, etc just hang out Rand Brittain posted:Shin is not really less competent than anybody above him on the totem pole; he's just weak enough that he gets called out for it, unlike his superiors. it's not
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Nov 13, 2017 21:59
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Beerus hired Freiza to do his work. Beerus deserves erasure more than any other being who has ever existed in U7 and he is in a state of loving GRACE knowing the Z warriors who will save his lovely hairless bacon and maybe allow him a second chance to do things right. When Champa is erased, I can only hope it breaks Beerus and shows him how worthless a brother and God he is. As an aside, I want 17 and 18 to fuse just so we can fast cut to both Trunks' waking up screaming for a solid minute.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:59
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amigolupus posted:Is Future Trunks really that much of a fuckup, or did I miss something? I don't remember him doing anything that would put him on Shin's level. I always thought of it more as existence itself wants to gently caress up Future Trunks' life. trunks usually tries to do the smart thing tbh. the world just hates him and wants him to suffer
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Nov 13, 2017 21:59
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Star Man posted:I know that GT is a hot loving mess and shouldn't be watched, but one thing I liked about it was that it gave us Oozaru Saiyans that could go super.  I also think it helps Saiyans be actual aliens instead of angry punchy humans. Vegeta has always looked down on using the transformation which I find weird given how hype he is about everything else Saiyan.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:00
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speaking of Trunks where is the DBKids filler episode
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Nov 13, 2017 22:00
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Shin managed to get about three of his plans smashed to bits in the span of ten hours during Buu and I'll never get over that.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:00
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Black August posted:As an aside, I want 17 and 18 to fuse just so we can fast cut to both Trunks' waking up screaming for a solid minute. Manatee Cannon posted:trunks usually tries to do the smart thing tbh. the world just hates him and wants him to suffer
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Nov 13, 2017 22:02
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Kashuno posted:it's not True, it basically isn't. Beerus doesn't really have any formal supervision except the threat of erasure by the Omni-King, and the job of being his technical supervisor is really just a sinecure to let the Grand Priest's children hang around doing nothing and getting mad paid.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:02
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To be fair to Shin, it was Old Kai who told them it was permanent (after he already made Shin and whatshisface fuse). Shin didn't even know that potara fusion was a thing until then.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:03
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OB_Juan posted:This would be great. In a weird way, 17 and 18 would be amazing allies for Trunks, since they hold his own fightman theory of "stop this worthless pride bullshit and GO MAX POWER AND MURK THE FUCKER IN THEIR BASE FORM NOW, NOW DAMMIT NOW, NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" *cut to space where you can still hear the scream as a little boom cloud poofts up from a continent*
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Nov 13, 2017 22:06
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Saagonsa posted:To be fair to Shin, it was Old Kai who told them it was permanent (after he already made Shin and whatshisface fuse). Shin didn't even know that potara fusion was a thing until then. it's permanent for gods but not permanent for mortals iirc. didn't they use the dragon balls to unfuse kabito kai or w/e he was called? elder kai is retroactively at fault for not mentioning it/forgetting it worked that way tho
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Nov 13, 2017 22:07
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Everything said by Shin and Elder Kai during Buu is either misinformation or actively a lie.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:08
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Yup, they ended up using the balls for that and old kai was like how dare you misuse their powers for something that silly. Also Old Kai is a goddamn filthy liar, I swear he makes poo poo up as he goes.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:09
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Star Man posted:I know that GT is a hot loving mess and shouldn't be watched, but one thing I liked about it was that it gave us Oozaru Saiyans that could go super. While I mostly agree with this, I do need to correct a couple of things: 1) Broly does have a tail. It's hidden inside his clothes, but it's there. Heroes gives him Golden Great Ape and Super Saiyan 4 forms from it (admittedly, it also gives SS4 to Gohan and Golden Great Ape to Gogeta with neither showing tails, but still). 2) The reason why the tails don't exist anymore has nothing to do with animation or art, but with Toriyama's...Toriyamaness. He cares a lot about the small details, which apparently include "how can Goku wear pants with that tail". Yes, that's literally the reason why tails are not a thing anymore, Toriyama got flustered because he couldn't think of how pants and tails could work together.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:09
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IcePhoenix posted:It was retconned in the best way though, because Goku and Vegeta were like "but Shin told us it was permanent" and Gowasu was like "What? No that's stupid, Shin is stupid" To be totally fair to Shin, it was Elder Kai that said the fusion was permanent. Shin just.... Had no idea the earrings even fused them at all. On another note, remember Kabitoshin? He was so unnatural and weird looking that it's hard to believe that was his canon design for like 25 years. I am so glad they unfused. Edit: wow I got super beat
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Nov 13, 2017 22:09
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Shindragon posted:I just love how in DB we have two colossal fucks up and the series reminds us how they gently caress up everytime. I don't think Future Trunks is a fuckup. Things might not go the way he planned, but he plans things put and he doesn't have his head up his rear end like Vegeta does. Shin's problem is that he's just too unattached to his universe. Some of the other Lords of Lords appear to be attentive to their realms, but they're so far removed from their subjects that people like Saiyans catch them entirely by surprise. Shin wasn't wrong in choosing Gohan to fight Babidi and Dabura, but Shin's lack of attention to Earth meant that he was unaware of Gohan's lapse in training and power. Though I did like that detail in Future Trunks's timeline addressing the issue about Buu and that Shin took Trunks in early enough to prepare him.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:10
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Remember Old Kai is old as hell and was locked in the Z sword (by Beerus OH WOW THAT SURE DID DOOM THEM ALL DIDN'T IT), the dude is probably so out of touch and border senile that he's the reflection of Shin - old and young, both hosed by the system and wildly out of their element
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Nov 13, 2017 22:12
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The only reason Trunks has such a hard time is because he has literally no one else to help him. Imagine if it was just Goku that had to take care of anything.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:13
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the real fuckup was vegeta. trunks would have had the androids dead before cell even arrived if not for vegeta. course that probably would have ended up killing him in the end; maybe that's how cell got the drop on trunks in the future where he steals the time machine  also trunks would have killed cell before he got his perfect form... tho maybe then they'd have been hosed when babidi showed up. I guess what I'm saying is thanks for being a dick, vegeta
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Nov 13, 2017 22:14
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Kefla twist: Either Kale's lssj ki gives enough energy to set the timer to max or Kale & Cauli are such good buddies that they hold the fusion together past its shortened lifespan to keep punching fools.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:16
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I thought that it was odd how apparently Beerus locked the Old Kai in the Z Sword. Like, what a weird punishment for someone like Beerus to give.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:18
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TheGamerGuy23 posted:I thought that it was odd how apparently Beerus locked the Old Kai in the Z Sword. Like, what a weird punishment for someone like Beerus to give. I think it was less a punishment and more a "Let's keep you alive so I will not be in danger" move Because Beerus is a selfish lazy rear end in a top hat
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Nov 13, 2017 22:21
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No, it made sense. He risked killing himself through the link. So just dump him in a sword, and have a new Lord of Lords in his place to continue the cycle of being a lazy piece of violent poo poo.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:23
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until some random demon king decides to break the sword, then you're hosed
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Manatee Cannon posted:also trunks would have killed cell before he got his perfect form... tho maybe then they'd have been hosed when babidi showed up. I guess what I'm saying is thanks for being a dick, vegeta I think the only guy Trunks would have problems with is Beerus, since he was won over by Goku's personality and the food. Trunks isn't really one to make friends with people trying to kill him.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:26
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I meant the main timeline, not trunks'. gohan would never have gone ss2 and goku wouldn't have died and trained in otherworld so everyone would be weaker
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Nov 13, 2017 22:30
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Blaze Dragon posted:2) The reason why the tails don't exist anymore has nothing to do with animation or art, but with Toriyama's...Toriyamaness. He cares a lot about the small details, which apparently include "how can Goku wear pants with that tail". Yes, that's literally the reason why tails are not a thing anymore, Toriyama got flustered because he couldn't think of how pants and tails could work together. It's also why Beerus's pants have that huge slit in the back for his tail. Honestly those pants are just indecent. Dude's got his crack showing at all times.
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A timeline where Trunks has to take out Beerus and become the new, responsible, sane, worthy God of Destruction would be hype as hell
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