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X_Toad posted:Aren't Mortarion's creations too virulent even for the Unholy Grandfather? No idea but the way Mortarion does it is funny: he lets the hive fleet take the world they've been fighting over and tyrannoform it, but the Hive Mind can't detect that the world's been seeded with one of Mortarion's special recipes. When the Lotan ships descend into the atmosphere and start drinking up the goop, it works... and then the hive ships melt into pestilent ooze. It's noted to be one of the events that spurred the creation of Hive-Fleet Kronos. The Hive Mind has decided that Chaos has become too great a problem to simply ignore whenever possible and must be actively hunted down because of the threat it poses - both directly to the Tyranids, and indirectly by loving up the Tyranids' prey.
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How is the relationship between Mortarion and Typhus now that the former is back? Still bad?
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Cythereal posted:No idea but the way Mortarion does it is funny: he lets the hive fleet take the world they've been fighting over and tyrannoform it, but the Hive Mind can't detect that the world's been seeded with one of Mortarion's special recipes. When the Lotan ships descend into the atmosphere and start drinking up the goop, it works... and then the hive ships melt into pestilent ooze. There's another good one in the Death Guard codex with the Death Guard taking on a splinterfleet that's specialised towards toxins. After several months of fighting the planet is reduced to a toxic sludge pile so virulent that neither side can lay claim, as the hyper-adaption of the 'Nids and the most skilled blight-crafters of the Death Guard went head to head. X_Toad posted:How is the relationship between Mortarion and Typhus now that the former is back? Still bad? Frosty, at best. Morty still doesn't know it was Typhus that sold out the Death Guard to Nurgle and hasn't outright banished him for his insubordinate behaviour to keep a close eye on him. Meanwhile, Typhus has pretty much turned the first Plague Company into a cult of personality and resents Morty for over not fully embracing his new nature and terraforming The Plague Planet into a new Barabus. They seem to be putting it aside while the Death Guard invade Ultramar, Typhus even gave Morty the Poxwalker plague as a sign of good faith.
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I'm still banking on Lorgars redemption arc.
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You mean, returning to the Imperium? That doesn't seem likely since he called himself an orphan during the battle of Calth. Lorgar hates his dad for nuking Monarchia, so I don't know why he'd want to be redeemed when all he wanted was someone to worship. Now he has literal infinite warpspace and 4 immortal gods to sing hymns to all day.
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celeryman posted:You mean, returning to the Imperium? That doesn't seem likely since he called himself an orphan during the battle of Calth. Lorgar hates his dad for nuking Monarchia, so I don't know why he'd want to be redeemed when all he wanted was someone to worship. Now he has literal infinite warpspace and 4 immortal gods to sing hymns to all day. Yeah but Lorgar basically just wants to worship a true God, if things go the way they seem to be going (a rebirth of the emperor?) what's he gonna say when Dad reveals himself in all his glory as the God of humanity, worshipped by who knows how many trillions of souls, unstoppable and genuinely omnipotent. I do think it'll be more along the lines of him realizing he was a big idiot for turning from the light of the emperor and setting up the heresy, and being obliterated in a blaze of power or whatever, and not so much "and now Lorgar is Good again"
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hopterque posted:Yeah but Lorgar basically just wants to worship a true God, if things go the way they seem to be going (a rebirth of the emperor?) what's he gonna say when Dad reveals himself in all his glory as the God of humanity, worshipped by who knows how many trillions of souls, unstoppable and genuinely omnipotent. I do think it'll be more along the lines of him realizing he was a big idiot for turning from the light of the emperor and setting up the heresy, and being obliterated in a blaze of power or whatever, and not so much "and now Lorgar is Good again" And then Magnus takes the throne so dad can truly ascend and kick chaos in the dick, slap Fulgrim silly, dunk Morty in a bath, get Angron on his meds and give Perturabo a big pat on the back so he stops sulking. Robute sets up a functioning Utopia and everyone gets to live happily ever after. Maybe even gets to use that bitching banquet table  (silliness aside, I'd love to see Magnus hold the gate shut for redemption allowing the Emperor to do... whatever the hell he needs to do)
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Magnus getting redemption would be kinda sweet. While he did inherit daddy's arrogance, he genuinely had good intentions for humanity. Lorgar on the other hand is perhaps the biggest dickhead in a setting full of dickheads. The only redemption he deserves is  .
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Groetgaffel posted:Magnus getting redemption would be kinda sweet. While he did inherit daddy's arrogance, he genuinely had good intentions for humanity. KNEEL was probably not the best way to handle that situation
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Nov 15, 2017 18:41
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The Emperor making bad decisions with his sons that eventually lead them to betray him? In MY 40k? Like, seriously... "Don't worship me - I am not a god!" <Demonstrates literal word of god ability and forces and entire legion to kneel before his divine visage>
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Dog_Meat posted:The Emperor making bad decisions with his sons that eventually lead them to betray him? In MY 40k? Also: "This guy conquered his homeworld in a religious war and turned the planet into a brutal theocracy that enforces doctrine at the point of a sword, and loves to talk about how I'm the god he's seen in his dreams. Eh. Surely he'll realize I'm not actually a god and won't turn his legion into a force of zealous crusaders."
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Cythereal posted:Also: "This guy conquered his homeworld in a religious war and turned the planet into a brutal theocracy that enforces doctrine at the point of a sword, and loves to talk about how I'm the god he's seen in his dreams. Eh. Surely he'll realize I'm not actually a god and won't turn his legion into a force of zealous crusaders." Which makes me wonder what the hell the *redacted* sons did to get removed from history. Because if Lorgar was never considered for the same treatment, the others must of have really hosed up. Or the Emps realized he can't keep snuffing out sons that he doesn't agree with.
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Probably refused to go along with the great crusade or something like that. Don't remember where I read it, but Big E had for seen a civil war at the conclusion of the Great Crusade, which would neatly solve the question of what to do with the primarchs afterwards. What threw a spanner in his works was that he didn't forsee Magnus loving up his science project. E: or that Horus would hijack his orders to bring Magnus home, and convince Russ to just burn everything. Even after Magnus went Kool-Aid man on the webway it is possible that Emps could've saved the project if only he had Magnus on his side keeping the gate closed while he cleansed and rebuilt the human section of the webway. Groetgaffel fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Nov 16, 2017 00:24
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I wish the Lost Primarchs were just a prank of Malcador doing the 1,2,4 pig numbering joke. Who just took it too far by sneaking into the depths of the palace to add in a defaced styrofoam statue to the ranks and chipped in the II and XI into the stone to then cross out. Then it's just rumors and newer Space Wolves members going "Yeah yeah, I fought with a guy who had to take down the Lost Primarchs. But he uh, he died. Back on Pimpledick III in the Vuhdefack system."
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Zil posted:Which makes me wonder what the hell the *redacted* sons did to get removed from history. Because if Lorgar was never considered for the same treatment, the others must of have really hosed up. Or the Emps realized he can't keep snuffing out sons that he doesn't agree with. I don't know if I mentioned this here or somewhere else, but I think we got a big clue in the beginning of Master of Mankind, where he tells Ra (I think) that the only thing worse than betrayal is failure.
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When a few of the Word Bearers are sent back in time to wreck the emp's gellar field and scatter the primarchs' birth pods, they seriously consider destroying two of them just to save their past selves the trouble.
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Shroud posted:I don't know if I mentioned this here or somewhere else, but I think we got a big clue in the beginning of Master of Mankind, where he tells Ra (I think) that the only thing worse than betrayal is failure. The Emperor, full of a lot of bad ideas it turns out.
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Hell yes my dudes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VVvM9gQ6Gs
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Dikkfor posted:Hell yes my dudes Now in glorious colour! 
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wiegieman posted:When a few of the Word Bearers are sent back in time to wreck the emp's gellar field and scatter the primarchs' birth pods, they seriously consider destroying two of them just to save their past selves the trouble. Wait what? What story is this from?
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celeryman posted:Wait what? What story is this from? The First Heretic, by ADB.
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Dikkfor posted:Hell yes my dudes That's sick. Wonder what's going on with GW, surprised they haven't shut him down or hired him by now tbh.
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Angry Lobster posted:The First Heretic, by ADB. Again, one of those "are we just seeing this as a vision or are we actually here... OH gently caress HE'S AWARE OF US" things. Didn't Horus smash the equipment in another book or am I being retarded in my memory? Some of the early stuff is a blur to me now.
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When Horus is having his vision on Davin, Erebus takes him there and yeah i think he smashes some piece of equipment and then the warp rift opens up and takes the pods. I think he fought a couple custodes while there too?
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If I recall correctly, he smashes the Geller field generator, which is what allows the warp rift to form.
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MariusLecter posted:Now in glorious colour! It changes to color part of the way through in the last episode when the battle starts! I think it reaches full color after one of the marines comforts a dying guardsman.
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Switching to color is a great device, it really sells that poo poo got really real. I haven't read the book yet, what does the Princeps keep seeing in his vision?
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Nov 16, 2017 19:00
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Finally, somebody got some steel legion models for him to work with.
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I like it. I know this isn't the fault of the guy making the videos but that voice doesn't mesh up with my idea of Andrej at all.
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Nov 16, 2017 19:41
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Richard Boylan should become a cinematographer.
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Groetgaffel posted:If I recall correctly, he smashes the Geller field generator, which is what allows the warp rift to form. I think the Word Bearers actually hear/feel Horus when they do their own time/warp trip. So it may have just been the Chaos gods making extra sure and attacking on two fronts, or capitalizing on the Emperor's prime bullshit to coopt not one but two of his sons.
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Cythereal posted:Also: "This guy conquered his homeworld in a religious war and turned the planet into a brutal theocracy that enforces doctrine at the point of a sword, and loves to talk about how I'm the god he's seen in his dreams. Eh. Surely he'll realize I'm not actually a god and won't turn his legion into a force of zealous crusaders."
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X_Toad posted:Nah, the real headscratcher for me is loving Angron. Like, how the hell did the Emperor not realize that he was broken beyond repair after he killed every Captain who came his way? He should have either gone behind a shack somewhere and put him down or have him take some sort of early retirement. Master of Mankind gives the answer: Emps expected Angron to adjust and fall in line. That is what he created Angron to do, and he expects his tools to serve their function. If the Butcher's Nails mean Angron has issues and a limited lifespan, so be it, he'll be useful until he stops working.
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Cythereal posted:Master of Mankind gives the answer: Emps expected Angron to adjust and fall in line. That is what he created Angron to do, and he expects his tools to serve their function. If the Butcher's Nails mean Angron has issues and a limited lifespan, so be it, he'll be useful until he stops working. More and more I view the Emp as an autistic child playing with his space mans than an all powerful psychic ruler.
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Zil posted:More and more I view the Emp as an autistic child playing with his space mans than an all powerful psychic ruler. Art imitates life.
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Zil posted:More and more I view the Emp as an autistic child playing with his space mans than an all powerful psychic ruler. He's probably both.
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A big part of growing up is realizing parents aren't perfect and make mistakes. Even the all powerful psychic rulers. A parent seeing their kids as tools for their own ends and assuming they know what is obvious to themselves is something I'm sure a non zero number of people reading this can relate to.
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The Emperor is an evil monster. The Chaos gods are right. Fully mutated, blood drinking, plague having, pleasure communism now.
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Zil posted:More and more I view the Emp as an autistic child playing with his space mans than an all powerful psychic ruler. The whole point of the setting I always thought was that the emperor isn't an infallible perfect being he's just a human who had a poo poo ton of power. Or he's a dark age of technology weapon out of its box and that's why he's so cold and distant.
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Zasze posted:Or he's a dark age of technology weapon out of its box and that's why he's so cold and distant. Where does this idea come from? Is it backed anywhere in the fluff, or just a cool theory. From what I’ve seen all the fluff suggests he’s from the Stone Age.
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