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yeah, i think most ppl here see literature as having some intrinsic value outside of entertainment or media consumption strategy, so writer's personality doesn't really come into play that much, unless the book is interesting partly because of it, i.e., it's Napoleon's romance novel or Stalin's poetry. from that famous paris review interview: Billy Faulkner posted:Everything goes by the board: honor, pride, decency, security, happiness, all, to get the book written. If a writer has to rob his mother, he will not hesitate; the “Ode on a Grecian Urn” is worth any number of old ladies.
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Alrighty then. Thank you both for explaining that.
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I took a break from reading 10,000 papers to read The Death of Virgil. The book is good folks.
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Chaucer was done for rape in France, which might mean consensual sex and an unsanctioned elopement but probably meant rape in the sense we mean it. By the way i think Billy is talking out of his arse there, even if you are an Author, be a good person. Like if you have obligations to others around you and certain ethical responsibilities, it’s not more important you do your writing project. I see people excuse eg bad parenting on the grounds that they’re very important people. Literature is messed up sometimes
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Artists are above all human law, you idiot.
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OscarDiggs posted:I mean, yes? Kinda? Not just books, but everything. Film, TV, Music, Games. Everything. ALL media. After all of these accusations of harassment that have come out, do you think I'm going to consume/support anything by Harvey Weinstein ever again? Kevin Spacey? I get it, De Sade and Chaucer are dead, so it's not like my money is going to be used to the detriment of the victims here, or to making more victims (I don't actually know why Chaucer needs to go in the garbage so I'm just extrapolating here. You were the one who bought him up, after all.) but is that the only reason that it's... okay to consume the media they've produced? In a hundred years can people start enjoying Kevin Spacey again? Is it a fools errand to be so strict in media consumption, since we're all human and most humans are garbage fires? How far back do you go with that? Is it okay to read Caesar? He genocided a bunch of people, I think he was a pretty bad human being.
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Ah poo poo just as i was about to read Ceaser.
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The eternal process of Literature first hinted at in the theories of the Akashic Records finds itself manifested through vessels incapable of truly containing the nature of Literature through their deeds. Literature is the work of God, authors, the Demiurge.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:everything written after
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chernobyl kinsman posted:everything written in this thread was a mistake
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OscarDiggs posted:I wasn't going to post again here so soon, since I got my question answered relatively fully and had the reasoning explained to me by several people (thanks for that by the way, everyone!) so I figured it was all done with. However, there was one response I've been um'ing and ah'ing over and since they don't have PM's I can't talk to them directly about it. So-
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i never read books unless every bad thing the author did is printed in big letters on the cover
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OscarDiggs posted:Is it a fools errand to be so strict in media consumption, since we're all human and most humans are garbage fires? Yes. U.S. culture is quite idealistic, and it always has been -- our progenitors were the Puritans and the Quakers, after all. We have an unreflective attraction to pieties, whether religious or secular (see e.g. what's happening with Garrison Keillor). In reality, however, everyone is complex and fallible. People can be wise and creative on the page (or screen or whatever), and yet make terrible errors in judgement in their daily life. The traumas and turning points that make one introspective can also create psychological handicaps. A manic person can be brilliant or monstrous depending on how their chemicals are churning that day. Etc. What I'm getting at is this: great truths can come from surprising sources. An author's bad behavior does not preclude their ideas from having merit. It would be a shame to starve your intellect out of some misguided attempt to remain ideologically pure.
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i love to consume the media of chaucer
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My favorite multimedia content creator is @dril, followed by Shakespeare
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I prefer to consume other people. I contain multitudes.
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whenever someone talks about 'consuming media' in a 'what books / movies do you like' conversation, i get a certain impression of them in my mind
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chernobyl kinsman posted:i love to consume the media of chaucer If big Geoff were alive today he'd love print capitalism tbf
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derp posted:whenever someone talks about 'consuming media' in a 'what books / movies do you like' conversation, i get a certain impression of them in my mind Your selfie?
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wow that's embarrassing how did that private personal photo end up in my post
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also lincoln in the bardo is indeed 'good' nabokov's 'Despair' is also very good.
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OscarDiggs posted:I wasn't going to post again here so soon, since I got my question answered relatively fully and had the reasoning explained to me by several people (thanks for that by the way, everyone!) so I figured it was all done with. However, there was one response I've been um'ing and ah'ing over and since they don't have PM's I can't talk to them directly about it. So- yo you can still read good books by horrible people. like Hamsun was a devout “literally wrote an eulogy to Hitler” type nazi but I’m still going to finish his Wayfarers trilogy at some point because his fiction is phenomenal. houellebecq is kind of an edgelord, but still worth at least looking into, and so on
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for the most part their fiction isn’t a political manifesto. though ofcourse their worldview will seep into their works sometimes, like how Hamsun just can’t not portray jewish characters as sleazy peddlers for example, but all it takes is some simple awareness on the reader’s part
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I do think there is some significant danger in trying to separate the aesthetic from the political
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which is why being aware of their (the authors') political view is good/important. and I guess as well as their intent (I wouldn't watch Triumph of the Will casually)
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ulvir posted:which is why being aware of their (the authors') political view is good/important. and I guess as well as their intent (I wouldn't watch Triumph of the Will casually) every morning I open palm slam a vhs, start doing the moves with the main character, hitler, etc etc
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Here's me consuming some media
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Tree Goat posted:every morning I open palm slam a vhs, start doing the moves with the main character, hitler, etc etc it was a rather crude example. I basically agree with Mel, but still hold that you can like things bad people wrote
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ulvir posted:it was a rather crude example. I basically agree with Mel, but still hold that you can like things bad people wrote i agree, and i think you would have to have a bad brain in a particularly internet generation way to conflate reading a book by a bad person as endorsement of their historical sins. especially since there is no ethical consumption under capitalism or what have you , and so finding an author sufficiently free from sin that you can read them “unproblematically” is a fool’s errand
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Mel Mudkiper posted:In fort Collins for the weekend and am super pumped for the bookstore above the dressshop He’s open every day this month. He was supposed to find another copy of The Sot Weed Factor for me and I will probably visit him this weekend too
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Heath posted:He’s open every day this month. He was supposed to find another copy of The Sot Weed Factor for me and I will probably visit him this weekend too Um, I just bought the copy he had It was on the front table and I was like "hey, Its that book the child fucker thread keeps talking about" I also told him about Aquarium and Blackwater lol Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Dec 2, 2017 |
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Um, I just bought the copy he had Lol whoops
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I've been meaning to read Hamsun's Sult for a while but I'm super lazy and Hamsun was a dickhole. I'm gonna read it though cause it's a very interesting period. I just keep postponing. I wanna compare to the Danish "modern breakthrough" writers like Herman Bang etc. By the way, Bang is very good. If you can get a translation of Stuk (Stucco), or anything really, please read it.
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Is the Sot weed factor hard to find? I have that and the goat boy book.
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The Sot Weed Factor is great if you like all the females in the book you're reading to be repeatedly raped
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Chamberk posted:The Sot Weed Factor is great if you like all the females in the book you're reading to be repeatedly raped all the male ones too
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Chamberk posted:The Sot Weed Factor is great if you like all the females in the book you're reading to be repeatedly raped To be fair, they're all the same character if I recall correctly.
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Powaqoatse posted:I've been meaning to read Hamsun's Sult for a while but I'm super lazy and Hamsun was a dickhole. I'm gonna read it though cause it's a very interesting period. I just keep postponing. my knowledge of kamelåså-literature that isn’t hc andersen or ludvig holberg is woefully lacking, so i’ll give it a shot at some point.
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