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Agoat posted:I don't think Frieza is super strong, I think he's just planning to be manipulative. This is my thoughts as well. When he saw how the gods were all oh gently caress about Goku UI he figured that it was in his best interest to see Goku as his trump card for the ToP. Whatever place Freeza gets, Goku promised to bring him back. Zzulu posted:Well he is clearly super strong but probably not on Jiren/UI goku level yet Which blends with Zzulu's point. Maybe after the tourney Freeza can spend a few days learning the move for himself, to finally get revenge on the monkeys. Or more likely gently caress it up again, but still. Just dont give the dude a time chamber.
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SirKibbles posted:No that's why U7 and U10's mortal level is so low. They're supposed to be creating life and kind of nudging the overall quality of life to be better. GoD's take out threats like Frieza and Buu and I'd assume kind of like how forest fires have to happen you'd blow up a few planets every once and awhile (hopefully under developed, a dying planet,or filled with assholes). Universe 9. Universe 10's score was more middling.
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Implied to be entirely because of Gowasu at that.
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chiasaur11 posted:Universe 9. It was still low so I'd chalk it up to U10's GoD seeming like he knew what his job was.
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https://twitter.com/MinovskyArticle/status/942780313696161797
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Black August posted:KING KAI FOR KAIOSHIN 2018 I'm afraid the rules state you have to be alive to be Kaioshin. Maybe this is why King Kai keeps pushing Goku to revive him.
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Bushmaori posted:This is my thoughts as well. When he saw how the gods were all oh gently caress about Goku UI he figured that it was in his best interest to see Goku as his trump card for the ToP. Whatever place Freeza gets, Goku promised to bring him back. I just laughed my rear end off at the idea of Freeza running out of the time chamber once every eight hours to try and kill Goku, only to find the latter with increasingly ridiculous forms each time. Ultra Instinct 4? What the gently caress even is that, and why are you so hairy?
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Dec 19, 2017 02:10
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it'd be funny if freeza got the wish and hosed it up again by sarcastically agreeing to wish them back only for the dragon to take it at face value
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Well one problem with any rogue wish ideas is that Whis (or another Angel) has to translate to the God language or whatever.
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CharlestonJew posted:Goku promised to bring him back to life So you're saying he gets to hang out with King Kai for eternity
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Zore posted:Wasn't Dabura up there? I remember Goku saying he was on par with Perfect Cell and then going 'My bad, probably stronger' during the fight. Dabura was Demon Supreme Kai. Also, King Kai may not be very strong but he has been the most useful of any Kai by far, considering his teachings have been useful to this very day. Being able to promote other people's strength is what makes him and Roshi so incredibly useful.
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Jeabus Mahogany posted:So you're saying he gets to hang out with King Kai for eternity This is what's going to happen.
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Kaio-ken x 20 Platinum Frieza when?
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Momomo posted:Dabura was Demon Supreme Kai. King Kai was also absolutely instrumental in resolving basically every crisis up through Cell and without his help the Earth would be gone and Goku and friends would all be dead and Beerus and Shin would be completely hosed.
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Kild posted:Well one problem with any rogue wish ideas is that Whis (or another Angel) has to translate to the God language or whatever. whis might translate accurately if its funny i feel like
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frieza will wish to be the king of everything, and will immediately be overwhelmed by all the paperwork and meetings the zenos never managed to take care of the grand angel guy is just like "oh thank god, finally, an adult to talk to"
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Even if Frieza wins the Super Dragon Balls I doubt he will wish for Zeno's power/job, cause Zamasu didn't wish for it and that would have made his zero ningen keikaku plan even more zero ningeny. This may hint that there is a limit as to how much bullshit the Super Dragon Balls can grant. Hell Zamasu didn't even consider the option of switching places with a GoD and had to make do with a very strong ningen monkey to carry on his plans. And on 17's motivation, I agree the whole "we are all gonna die, so I'll just continue protecting this island unless I can get a fancy boat" logic is dumb if somewhat hilarious. I think it would have made more sense for him to go "we are all gonna die, so i'd rather spend the potential last moments of my existence with my family instead of fighting *fights space poachers with Goku* ok, we might have a chance at this, I'll go if I can get a fancy boat for me and my family".
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The Zenos are so donkey-brained that they'd probably let Freeza wish them out of existence with full blessings. After all he looked so cool ganking their Best Boy Goku in the back with a death beam.
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Frieza gets the wish, immediately gives up on all his plans when he finds out he has to say "pretty peas"
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Frieza gets the wish, wishes for all Saiyans to have never existed, the film stutters a few times at the paradox of "without Saiyans there is no way Frieza would be in a position to make the wish," wish wasted
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Frieza wishes to be the new Zeno. Instead of just gaining his power, he becomes a third Zeno and loses all of his previous identity.
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I could absolutely see Frieza getting the MVP wish, tossing it over to Goku as a "nice gesture", and letting them revive him with the standard balls. After that, he graciously thanks them, ominously compliments Vegeta on his new daughter, and flies off with a "Hooooo ho ho hohoho" as they stand there helpless to kill him, because they owe him for saving the universe, they're the good guys, and they still have that "well, if he DOES show up again, we'll beat him then" mindset. Vegeta has to be physically held back from murdering him thanks to the Bra thing, but otherwise Frieza gets to leave without issue to begin planning his new multiversal conquest. Possibly he starts trying to conspire with the rear end in a top hat Gods of Destruction like "Did you see just how foolish your Zen-Os are? Maybe the universes could use a new leader..."
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Kurui Reiten posted:I could absolutely see Frieza getting the MVP wish, tossing it over to Goku as a "nice gesture", and letting them revive him with the standard balls. After that, he graciously thanks them, ominously compliments Vegeta on his new daughter, and flies off with a "Hooooo ho ho hohoho" as they stand there helpless to kill him, because they owe him for saving the universe, they're the good guys, and they still have that "well, if he DOES show up again, we'll beat him then" mindset. Vegeta has to be physically held back from murdering him thanks to the Bra thing, but otherwise Frieza gets to leave without issue to begin planning his new multiversal conquest. He goes to collect the Super Dragon Balls and it's just GT but good.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:He goes to collect the Super Dragon Balls and it's just GT but good. EXACTLY studies how it works (unlike that time on Namek) gather them a year later since they border U7
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Kurui Reiten posted:I could absolutely see Frieza getting the MVP wish, tossing it over to Goku as a "nice gesture", and letting them revive him with the standard balls. After that, he graciously thanks them, ominously compliments Vegeta on his new daughter, and flies off with a "Hooooo ho ho hohoho" as they stand there helpless to kill him, because they owe him for saving the universe, they're the good guys, and they still have that "well, if he DOES show up again, we'll beat him then" mindset. Vegeta has to be physically held back from murdering him thanks to the Bra thing, but otherwise Frieza gets to leave without issue to begin planning his new multiversal conquest. I think this is a lot more likely than Freeza wishing to become the God King or whatever, and it's totally plausible for the new, smarter Freeza who has clearly begun to show a newfound ability to play the long game and swallow his pride temporarily in order to gain the advantage. It solves the issue of "we put a fuckload of time into building up U6 so they need to come back somehow" while also providing a lurking future threat. The problems with the theory of "Freeza wishes to be the king of everything" are that if the Super Dragon Balls could do that I'm pretty sure Zamasu would have done it and unless Freeza has been taking a Divine As A Second Language course any wish that gets made on the super balls is going to need to go through an angel and I'm pretty sure they're not going to let Freeza wish himself to omnipotent godhood.
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freeza wishes everyone back and further invalidates frost by becoming the one true good pr freeza
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lezard_valeth posted:Even if Frieza wins the Super Dragon Balls I doubt he will wish for Zeno's power/job, cause Zamasu didn't wish for it and that would have made his zero ningen keikaku plan even more zero ningeny. This may hint that there is a limit as to how much bullshit the Super Dragon Balls can grant. Hell Zamasu didn't even consider the option of switching places with a GoD and had to make do with a very strong ningen monkey to carry on his plans. Kanos posted:The problems with the theory of "Freeza wishes to be the king of everything" are that if the Super Dragon Balls could do that I'm pretty sure Zamasu would have done it and unless Freeza has been taking a Divine As A Second Language course any wish that gets made on the super balls is going to need to go through an angel and I'm pretty sure they're not going to let Freeza wish himself to omnipotent godhood. I feel that Zamasu didn't wish to become King of Everything to further his plans because the Super Dragon Balls can't do it, but more that he just really, REALLY wanted to destroy all those filthy ningen by his own hands. Like yeah, maybe he could also have wished for all ningens to be erased, but it's probably more satisfying to his ego to blow them all up instead. And he didn't consider switching with a GoD because he had a Frank Grimes complex towards Goku. 
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I started watching Kai (dub of course) after not watching dragon ball in 15 years. Nappa is hilarious. Was he this funny in the original?
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Zamasu's whole deal was that gods rule mortals drool, considering Zeno's track record of wiping out four whole universes full of mortals and having a reputation for instantly destroying anyone who doesn't show the proper level of respect, there's a case to be made Zamasu would consider Zeno everything a god should be and so wouldn't even entertain the idea of usurping him.
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havenwaters posted:Oh my God. They grabbed Brian Drummond for copy Vegeta's voice actor. This owns.
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Dragon balls can't do a wish more powerful than their creator. The super dragon balls weren't created by Zeno, they were made by a lower level god. Those balls aren't as powerful as Zeno and you can't use them to surpass or even equal his power.
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Did Zamasu even know Zeno existed? Dude didn’t know the time rings existed until Gowasu showed them to him to travel to the future and U10 was supposed to be responsible for themXboxPants posted:Dragon balls can't do a wish more powerful than their creator. The super dragon balls weren't created by Zeno, they were made by a lower level god. Those balls aren't as powerful as Zeno and you can't use them to surpass or even equal his power. We don’t know anything about Zalama’s power
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Kashuno posted:Did Zamasu even know Zeno existed? Dude didn’t know the time rings existed until Gowasu showed them to him to travel to the future and U10 was supposed to be responsible for them While we have no way to know if he did in the anime or not, Zamasu mentions Zen'o by name in the manga.
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Kashuno posted:Did Zamasu even know Zeno existed? Dude didn’t know the time rings existed until Gowasu showed them to him to travel to the future and U10 was supposed to be responsible for them Shin knew that Zeno existed, didn't he? If shin knew it is safe to assume everyone does.
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I figure Old Kai knew about Zeno, and post-Buu saga Shin got caught up on a lot of stuff.
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Shin didn't even know that Beerus, his counterpart, existed. There's no way he knew about Zeno. Thinking about that, this means Shin must have thought he was the top of the top, like we did. The series really makes so much more sense with Super adding in the tiers of gods.
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Kashuno posted:We don’t know anything about Zalama’s power You're right, but isn't it pretty established that Zeno is above every other god? Do you have a different impression?
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Momomo posted:Shin didn't even know that Beerus, his counterpart, existed. There's no way he knew about Zeno. Not really. If there were any holes in the cosmic hierarchy of the Dragon Ball universe before Battle of Gods, it was where a filler character like Grand Kai fit in to the whole thing if there were kais above even him. Otherwise, it just seemed like Shin was completely out of touch with the goings on of Earth and the rest of the mortal universe until Babidi started making his move to resurrect Majin Buu.
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Momomo posted:Shin didn't even know that Beerus, his counterpart, existed. There's no way he knew about Zeno.
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