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If anything that narrative makes you hate Olar Ethil EVEN MORE!
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apophenium posted:I'm working my way through Deadhouse Landing right now. Good enough, though I think ICE is leaning a bit too hard on stuff we already know from the main series. Still enjoyable. Its so weird reading a Malazan book and knowing who the characters are immediately. Normally you get a few lines of description about their weapons or clothing, and you dont get the reveal on the character for a while. But in Deadhouse Landing, they come right out and name everyone - other than "Jack" and Kallor for a few pages. Good book, but a different feel from the SE to ICE.
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Dec 18, 2017 14:57
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CoolHandMat posted:Its so weird reading a Malazan book and knowing who the characters are immediately. Normally you get a few lines of description about their weapons or clothing, and you dont get the reveal on the character for a while. But in Deadhouse Landing, they come right out and name everyone - other than "Jack" and Kallor for a few pages. I enjoy ICE books because they are easy reading. I can't seem to make it through the second Karkhanas book or whatever because all there is is loving pages of dudes talking like they are wannabe poets. And nothing happens
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pile of brown posted:All of Erickson (Malazan) is unreliable narrative, history retold, or just straight up lies someone else believed... It would be weird if it WAS internally consistent if you believe it, its not a lie!
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Dec 18, 2017 17:16
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I'm waiting for the final twist to be that the whole series is actually written by Gothos, and all the contradictions are him deliberately loving with us. It would be a very Gothos thing to do.
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Dec 18, 2017 17:26
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I enjoy ICE books because they are easy reading. I can't seem to make it through the second Karkhanas book or whatever because all there is is loving pages of dudes talking like they are wannabe poets. And nothing happens That stuff's good
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Dec 18, 2017 17:30
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:That stuff's good Dude. Two guards stood on a wall and stared into a river and talked about it for 15 loving pages. And then they decided to just gently caress off and wander away. It was excruciating.
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Dec 18, 2017 20:30
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Dude. Two guards stood on a wall and stared into a river and talked about it for 15 loving pages. And then they decided to just gently caress off and wander away. but.. but... every line means something..
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Dec 18, 2017 20:39
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Deadhouse Landing was a pleasant surprise. It's ICE so there is a quota of unlikeable characters no one gives a poo poo about forced down our throats (Cowl and Tayschrenn, in this case, and a lot of Dassem could have been axed with no detriment to the story LOOK WE GET IT HE IS THE BEST WITH A SWORD) but Kellanved and Dancer's wacky pirate adventures are fun. There seem to be some contradictions (I thought Whiskeyjack's nickname was a Malazan bastardization of his actual name, where does Jack come in?) and plot lines ending nowhere (are we supposed to know who Opal is? It sounds vaguely familiar, but I really have no idea). Definitely ways above Lament and its wet fart of a storyline. I'll still take the incessantly philosophizing guards of FoL over it any day, though.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:02
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Lmao at people hating FoL. I guess I have a broad approach to literature, I enjoy both the heavy and the light stuff. Can't wait to get my hands on Deadhouse Landing.
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Dec 18, 2017 21:42
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Dude. Two guards stood on a wall and stared into a river and talked about it for 15 loving pages. And then they decided to just gently caress off and wander away. No, that's fine.
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Dec 18, 2017 22:00
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Dude. Two guards stood on a wall and stared into a river and talked about it for 15 loving pages. And then they decided to just gently caress off and wander away. Dude, that's basically What Erikson Does, and it's good.
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Fenrir posted:Dude, that's basically What Erikson Does, and it's good. I didn't notice it in the Malazan books anywhere near as much as FoL. But whatever Itsbjust going to take me forever to finish that book a little at a time.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I didn't notice it in the Malazan books anywhere near as much as FoL. But whatever Itsbjust going to take me forever to finish that book a little at a time. The good news/bad news is that those two bridge guards exist to just talk and talk, and do nothing throughout the book. You can safely skim over any section they are in. All in all, if you're not enjoying FoL, stop reading it & move onto something else. Here's a FoL spoiler-free summary for you: The Hood plotline from the 1st book advances slightly, one of the Elder gods from core Malazan books shows up, Deadhouses get explained slightly more, and the big Darkness versus Light battle that caused eternal hatred in the Tiste bloodlines literally gets wargamed out in 3 pages.
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NoNostalgia4Grover posted:The good news/bad news is that those two bridge guards exist to just talk and talk, and do nothing throughout the book. You can safely skim over any section they are in. Thanks fam.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I didn't notice it in the Malazan books anywhere near as much as FoL. But whatever Itsbjust going to take me forever to finish that book a little at a time. I mean, it was there, but yeah it definitely wasn't as ...lengthy. I'll give you that. But like, Reaper's Gale especially had a lot of those long philosophy bits, especially with Fiddler and Janath.
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CoolHandMat posted:Its so weird reading a Malazan book and knowing who the characters are immediately. Normally you get a few lines of description about their weapons or clothing, and you dont get the reveal on the character for a while. But in Deadhouse Landing, they come right out and name everyone - other than "Jack" and Kallor for a few pages. I read up to Orb, Scepter Throne but I left Blood and Bone and Assail alone because the feedback in this thread was pretty terrible. Seems like people like Deadhouse Landing, though. Will I be lost if I jump right into it?
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Dec 20, 2017 03:33
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Probably should read Dancer's Lament first but I don't really think the other ICE books are necessary. Night of Knives introduces a few characters he uses in Landing because it's on Malaz but I don't think anyone would be lost if they didn't read it.
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Dec 20, 2017 11:19
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Just about done with GotM (Simtal's fete) and while I remember most events, I forget a lot of the motivation for things unfolding. Finding the sheer number of characters a teeny bit overwhelming. Definitely enjoyed it and going to continue with the series, but I find myself wondering "hmm why are they doing this" a bit here and there.
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Most of GotM gets retconned one way or another so a lot of those motivations end up irrelevant.
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On Deadhouse Gates. 22% Complete. Both Fiddler and Kalam went from "just there in GOTM" to VERY interesting with Fiddler being a favorite pretty damned quick. Duiker is pretty cool too. Poor Felisin.  "I will not disappear!" Coltaine  And Mallick Rel is practically farting red flags.
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Dec 25, 2017 18:09
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Evertime I reread GotM I get surprised every time by the Crimson Guard showing up which is obviously very important but if you don't read outside the book of the fallen you'll never care. Sorry ICE.
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Dec 26, 2017 00:27
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I'd argue you're gonna care more if you haven't read ICE.
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anilEhilated posted:I'd argue you're gonna care more if you haven't read ICE. Agreed. I avoided all ICE Crimson Guard books, and the Crimson Guard dudes in GoTM will forever remain cool.
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Dec 26, 2017 13:35
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you miss out on Temper, Braven Tooth, and a lot of Daseem stuff if you skip on the ICE
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Dec 26, 2017 22:16
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Cowl was completely pointless in Deadhouse Landing and Esslemont continues on his path of making the crimson guard uninteresting. Same goes for Kallor. Given the two books in the series path to ascendancy I guess the end result will be that all the failures from the series will end up in the crimson guard.
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I never figured out why so many characters tolerated Kallor and didn't just kill him on sight. How did he end up working on the same side as the Rake? Although I did enjoy the idea that the world has completely moved on, and the one time Greatest Sorcerer Who Ever Lived is reduced to being just some dude wandering about. Strom Cuzewon fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Dec 26, 2017 |
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I never figured out why so many characters tolerated Kallor and didn't just kill him on sight. I feel like this is the opening line of some Dark Tower/Malazan cross over fan fiction.
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Dec 26, 2017 22:56
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Kallor Is just badass, can't kill him.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I feel like this is the opening line of some Dark Tower/Malazan cross over fan fiction. There's a definite similarity between Kallor and Randall Flagg/Walter O'Dimwit - both terrifying symbols of evil, both get somewhat chumped on.
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Dec 27, 2017 15:36
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I thought part of Kallor's curse was the fact that he was doomed to an eternity of never being able to attain his goals, therefore he can't be killed, just constantly making minor progress before getting dunked on?
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Dec 27, 2017 18:55
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If I rememeber correctly, his curse is that he won't ever ascend despite having had the power to pull it off (though probably not anymore) - the eternity bit is just product of his stubbornness and very special candles he uses to outlive the three who cursed him.
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I don't have my Memories copy anywhere convenient but I thought one component of the curse was also that he would never die and that the candles were his way of preserving youth and strength so as to avoid being an immortal old as gently caress man.
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quote:You, Kallor Eiderann Tes'thesula, shall know mortal life unending. Mortal, in the ravages of age, in the pain of wounds and the anguish of despair. In dreams brought to ruin. In love withered. In the shadow of Death's spectre, ever a threat to end what you will not relinquish. Kallor Eiderann Tes'thesula, you shall never ascend. Kallor Eiderann Tes'thesula, each time you rise, you shall then fall. All that you achieve shall turn to dust in your hands. As you have wilfully done here, so it shall be in turn visited upon all that you do. Three voices curse you. It is done. Kallor is probably one of my favorite characters from anything ever. Kallor and Eeyore.
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Dec 27, 2017 22:13
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Eeyore is the mule. Witness!
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anilEhilated posted:If I rememeber correctly, his curse is that he won't ever ascend despite having had the power to pull it off (though probably not anymore) - the eternity bit is just product of his stubbornness and very special candles he uses to outlive the three who cursed him. Well, the curse keeps him alive, the candles just rejuvenate his body to a degree so he isn't a complete corpse like a T'lan Imass or something.
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anilEhilated posted:If I rememeber correctly, his curse is that he won't ever ascend despite having had the power to pull it off (though probably not anymore) - the eternity bit is just product of his stubbornness and very special candles he uses to outlive the three who cursed him. is this Special Candle a real thing you're refering to or a joke?
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CoolHandMat posted:is this Special Candle a real thing you're refering to or a joke? They're real things.
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they're called century candles
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Kallor Is like : man, Rake is gonna be pissed at me for a century or two, don't even know why! Better do some other stuff *proceeds to exterminate one race*
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