|
I've seen HP laserjets from the mid 90s that are still operational 20 years later. Those things were tanks.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 05:59 |
|
|
# ? Jun 3, 2024 22:12 |
|
I have a color HP LaserJet that I got on Amazon open box for $149 3 years ago and it has performed flawlessly on my wifi since day 1. Why can't enterprise-grade printers not be utter poo poo?
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 05:59 |
|
The answer, as always, is "if it works perfectly then you don't need to buy support from us and also you won't have a reason to upgrade in a couple years, because there's only so much you can improve on 'prints pixels on paper'" but the real answer is probably a like 20/80 split of the above and good old-fashioned incompetence it's always nice to believe that places you rely on in your day to day life couldn't ever be as incompetent as the places you've personally worked but they are
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 06:19 |
|
Ursine Catastrophe posted:The answer, as always, is "if it works perfectly then you don't need to buy support from us and also you won't have a reason to upgrade in a couple years, because there's only so much you can improve on 'prints pixels on paper'" Often more so, and I'm not complimenting the places we've worked
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 06:26 |
|
AlexDeGruven posted:I have a color HP LaserJet that I got on Amazon open box for $149 3 years ago and it has performed flawlessly on my wifi since day 1. I picked a B+W laser printer out of the garbage and my mother has been printing off it for 2 years, still using the toner cart that was already in it.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 06:57 |
|
Sirotan posted:^^You might have been using a postscript driver, when you needed PCL. Or maybe the other way around. I think... I honestly have no idea, I made some nerd mad in the EVE thread calling out his lame-rear end catchphrase (see: redtext) and he subsequently raged so hard he ate a probation, then bought the redtext + avatar. I assume it was an attempt to make me rage out but I made him spend money so I won. Ursine Catastrophe posted:Nthing the Brother Laserjet supremacy. Got tired of the cheap inkshit printers that I only used once a year or so for whatever luddite that doesn't take a scanned email always needing replacement ink or just having spontaneously shat themselves from disuse. Inkjets are basically designed so that if you don't use them constantly the ink dries up and lol whoops gotta buy more ink at $50 in each color haha you just spent more on ink than you did on the print. gently caress inkjets.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 09:19 |
|
I work in infrastructure. E-mails are coming in about the new KPTI bug. Looks like it's going to be worse than the old Pentium floating point bug. This will be a fun few weeks.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 10:48 |
|
Dravs posted:I work in infrastructure. Already getting e-mails from upstairs about planning to patch everything ASAP. This is gonna be rough boys.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 11:15 |
|
Dravs posted:I work in infrastructure. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/ quote:At one point, Forcefully Unmap Complete Kernel With Interrupt Trampolines, aka FUCKWIT, was mulled by the Linux kernel team, giving you an idea of how annoying this has been for the developers.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 14:12 |
|
The Register are such smarmy cunts.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 14:38 |
|
Jaded Burnout posted:The Register are such smarmy cunts. That’s why they’re great.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 15:18 |
|
That flaw is over my head by a degree or two. I think I understand what's happening, on the mundane level, though I don't fully understand the impact. Is this more of an infrastructure issue, or will user-side workstations be impacted, too? We're all Dell in this office, which means we've got Intel chips all over the place.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 15:31 |
|
Potentially every Intel chip for the last decade. Because the flaw could expose privileged data from a web browser's JavaScript, expect all workstations to require firmware updates.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 15:34 |
And slow down significantly.
|
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 15:36 |
|
Feelin' real good about having gone with an AMD chip when I built my gaming computer two years ago Everyone having to deal with this has my sympathies. I really and truly mean that.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 15:39 |
|
Judge Schnoopy posted:Potentially every Intel chip for the last decade. Because the flaw could expose privileged data from a web browser's JavaScript, expect all workstations to require firmware updates. Gotcha. Thank you for clarifying! Some articles I read about the bug kinda fixated on cloud computing and services, which confused my understanding of things. I'm without a doubt going to have to shoulder the workload of updating everyone's firmware once my boss comes up with a strategy. Can't wait!
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 15:42 |
|
Irritated Goat posted:Run over by the CE's truck. But how will we get our Larches fix then? First time checking the old/new thread for a few months and no Larches update
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 15:44 |
|
my cat is norris posted:Gotcha. Thank you for clarifying! Some articles I read about the bug kinda fixated on cloud computing and services, which confused my understanding of things. Well it's especially scary because it allows one VM to read memory used by any VM (or other process) on the system.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 15:47 |
|
So basically this shortcut has given intel a massive competitive advantage for the last decade in performance?
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 15:47 |
|
Entropic posted:That’s why they’re great. They also have a whole workshop's worth of axes to grind.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 15:52 |
|
Sickening posted:So basically this shortcut has given intel a massive competitive advantage for the last decade in performance? Yeah they beat the competition by ripping open a massive security flaw. Otherwise they wouldn't have soundly trounced the CPU market and caused this huge panic where over 50% of the world's computing power is affected.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 16:12 |
|
Sickening posted:So basically this shortcut has given intel a massive competitive advantage for the last decade in performance? It's not really a shortcut, it's just architecture that they didn't realise (at the time) could be leveraged this way. Essentially the issue exists because when one of the affected chips has to do a calculation that has to be handed off to the kernel, it keeps the kernel loaded into temporary memory to make the processing faster rather than having to reload the kernel for every subsequent calculation (I think; it's a bit over my head as well tbh). Some boffin somewhere figured out a way to exploit the kernel while it is loaded into temporary memory, allowing them to do all kinds of fuckery. The fix means that Intel chips will now have to call the kernel up every time it is needed rather than keep it in temporary memory which will slow down processing time hugely. Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried about regular desktop computers since they don't really see the number of IOPs where this will really be a problem. The big issue will be seen on clusters where IOPs are required at a premium and things like SQL processing. That is why AWS and Microsoft will be so badly impacted because their butt processing is massive. I'm sure they will be able to brute force spend their way out of it, however a 30% slowdown across their entire estate is the thing of nightmares. Edit: Also this only seems to be affecting CPU architectures in between Sandy Bridge and Coffee Lake (so like the 3000 series to the 7000 series?), so if you are still running a 2550k on your home PC like I am then you shouldn't see any problems. Dravs fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jan 3, 2018 |
# ? Jan 3, 2018 16:12 |
|
Entropic posted:I've seen HP laserjets from the mid 90s that are still operational 20 years later. Those things were tanks. We've got a pair of Laserjet p2035n's that have been going strong for almost 10 years now. They never jam, toner is cheap, and they're reasonably fast. We put a couple hundred pages per day through them. Our big MFPs on the other hand...
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 16:15 |
|
Malachite_Dragon posted:Feelin' real good about having gone with an AMD chip when I built my gaming computer two years ago Oh don't worry, you might end up being caught in it anyways quote:OS kernel-level software patches to mitigate this vulnerability, come at huge performance costs that strike at the very economics of choosing Intel processors in large-scale datacenters and cloud-computing providers, over processors from AMD. Ryzen, Opteron, and EPYC processors are inherently immune to this vulnerability, yet the kernel patches seem to impact performance of both AMD and Intel processors.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 16:25 |
|
Dravs posted:
Sandy and Ivy are the same uArch (mostly), with Ivy being the Tock, so unless part of that Tock and deepening the pipeline + adding new instructions also modified the branch predictor, they’re probably either both vulnerable or not. Ivy was only a ~5% clock for clock CPU bump over SNB IIRC.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 17:21 |
|
/me hugs his RISC boxes. We'll always be safe, won't we?
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 17:37 |
|
Shoot me down But I won't fall I AM ITAAAAANIIIIUMMM
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 17:46 |
|
brb dredging up old SPARC boxes
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 18:02 |
|
Dravs posted:Edit: Also this only seems to be affecting CPU architectures in between Sandy Bridge and Coffee Lake (so like the 3000 series to the 7000 series?), so if you are still running a 2550k on your home PC like I am then you shouldn't see any problems. When you say "in between" do you mean inclusive? As 3000 series are Sandy Bridge. Also what's your source on this? I can't find any detail.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 18:51 |
|
3000 series is Ivy, 2000 is Sandy.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 19:00 |
|
iospace posted:3000 series is Ivy, 2000 is Sandy. This one's mine according to Intel. Edit: I'm not pretending to be an expert here, I've never followed the dumb codenames closely. Jaded Burnout fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jan 3, 2018 |
# ? Jan 3, 2018 19:04 |
|
Dravs posted:That is why AWS and Microsoft will be so badly impacted because their butt processing is massive. cloud to butt continues to be pay dividends
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 19:24 |
|
PremiumSupport posted:.... They never jam, toner is cheap, and they're reasonably fast...... What alternate universe do you live in where printers never jam? And how do I get there?
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 20:47 |
|
stevewm posted:What alternate universe do you live in where printers never jam? And how do I get there? I don't think I've ever had a personal-use printer jam ever, although even when I printed a lot it was never anything fancy and not-8x10. I've always assumed jams were user error, either in the immediate sense or "I just take out my frustrations with my inability to use tech via spontaneous percussive maintenance, what do you mean that damages it it's working fine now" Or just long term wear and tear, but lol at a printer in a shared environment lasting long enough for that
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 21:07 |
|
Don't let your paper get damp/dusty seems to be the way to avoid paper jams. Leave it in the waxy packet until it's ready to use, if you only print a couple of sheets each week then don't put the entire ream of paper into your printer.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 21:12 |
|
stevewm posted:What alternate universe do you live in where printers never jam? And how do I get there? Buy a Laserjet P2035n? Seriously though they've never given me any trouble at all, same thing with the cheap-rear end monochrome Brother units we have scattered around. We tried HP Inkjets for a while but had nothing but issues with them, and our MFPs that we lease jam on a regular basis.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 21:12 |
|
In our environment we are lucky to ever have a printer last more than a year. Doesn't matter if its a cheap $150 personal laser printer, or a $1000 high volume printer. They are in somewhat dusty retail hardware/lumberyard/building supply type stores. So I just buy the cheap $150 laser printer now... Use it until it dies, and get a new one.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 21:35 |
|
Thanks Ants posted:Don't let your paper get damp/dusty seems to be the way to avoid paper jams. Leave it in the waxy packet until it's ready to use, if you only print a couple of sheets each week then don't put the entire ream of paper into your printer. Also, riffling the paper before you load it seems to help with breaking up any electrostatic charge the paper might hold due to friction.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 21:49 |
|
So the 4 series is getting hit hard according to early reports? Fuuuuuuuck, I just gave my wife my old Haswell desktop. She is going to be pissed when it suddenly slows down a ton. I guess it’s still time to just sit and wait and see how bad it is.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 21:59 |
|
|
# ? Jun 3, 2024 22:12 |
|
22 Eargesplitten posted:So the 4 series is getting hit hard according to early reports? Fuuuuuuuck, I just gave my wife my old Haswell desktop. She is going to be pissed when it suddenly slows down a ton. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-415-x86pti&num=2 Initial benchmarks on linux kernel changes. Desktop performance is likely to be minimally impacted. They specifically call out game performance is being mostly unaffected.
|
# ? Jan 3, 2018 22:11 |