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I feel like the tournament probably would have been better as individual matchups. I could imagine a league of sorts where each universe has 9 participants who each fight once with one reserve. They face every other universe once, 3 points for a win, 1 points for a draw, 0 for a loss. Contrive it so that U7 does well, needs a win in their last match to draw on points and have it be Vegeta vs. a top fighter. Vegeta goes all out, wins but absolutely exhausts himself doing so. Tiebreak is Goku vs. top fighter from whatever universe. A lot of the problem the ToP has from a mechanical perspective is that Goku and Vegeta could probably have OHKO'd most of the tournament on their own. So ultimately even though Roshi's moment is cool, Roshi vs. some jobber has no real affect on the tournament itself. Comparatively if Roshi's your 9th chair but absolutely needs the win for you to stay live in the tournament, even though he's against some jobber, the fight still has stakes. Natural 20 fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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If you do that we lose the best moments of this tournament, including the Roshi moment Really the issue with this tournament is, as neat as he is, Jiren. He is so incredibly overpowered that realistically it doesn’t matter who made it this far, because other than a Goku/Vegeta combo maybe no one can come even close to matching Jiren. No universe has put up anyone that is even close to top tier other than 7/11, and that’s the lame part. If they got rid of freeza or 17 and put some fighter from another universe in that was comparable in power to Goku/Vegeta/Jiren it would take care of itself mostly
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Feb 6, 2018 12:37
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Kefla would have given Jiren a good fight imo
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Feb 6, 2018 13:04
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multijoe posted:Kefla would have given Jiren a good fight imo
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Feb 6, 2018 13:13
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he broke their potara which is pretty permanent for kefla  they do explicitly state that goku's not as strong as her tho
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Feb 6, 2018 13:23
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They said Kefla was probably stronger than Goku was when he first went UI, so she could have at least done something against Jiren. Just you wait until tomorrow, when she unlocks super Saiyan 5.
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Feb 6, 2018 13:46
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Caulifla and Kale actually aren't erased, Hit trapped them in an alternate dimensional bubble and they will reappear with 1 minute left as Kefla with no Potara.
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Feb 6, 2018 13:57
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Kashuno posted:Caulifla and Kale actually aren't erased, Hit trapped them in an alternate dimensional bubble and they will reappear with 1 minute left as Kefla with no Potara. Please don’t spoil excerpts from Kale’s dream diary
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Feb 6, 2018 14:13
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Cran posted:Yeah, the pacing of the arc isn't the best as is, but every episode being one in-universe minute of a tournament with a time limit exacerbates just about every issue I have. They've been doing stuff super fast ever since the first DB tournament or when newbie Gohan was told to follow ki instead of with eyes because they did stuff too fast to naturally see. Krillin and Roshi had a long back and forth nonsensical thing in like a second, it was already established that they've been working at super fast speeds forever. And talking is a free action in anime.
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Feb 6, 2018 15:39
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This tournament has had so many callbacks that I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Yajirobe shows up at the last second to save everybody from certain death. Or Gohan's tail grows back again and Vegeta uses the last of this strength to throw a moon ball, causing him to transform in the stands and throwing the whole tournament into chaos because that's way too cool for Xeno to disqualify him.
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Feb 6, 2018 15:50
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I'm still mad we didn't have a kaiju fight between the u3 fusion and some great apes how have none of the giant monsters in dragon ball ever fought each other wtf
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Feb 6, 2018 15:52
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amigolupus posted:That, and the scene of Frost being on the run and vowing to make it up in the tournament lead to absolutely nowhere. He could've gone on a redemption arc to differentiate him more from Frieza. It's also dumb he never interacted with Hit even once in the tournament when Hit was the one who thought they needed him. Cabba too, which seems even more glaring when he held a grudge against Vegeta of all people.
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Feb 6, 2018 16:02
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Frost was lovely Freeza. Like he existed just to be a weaker, cowardly Freeza who tries to trick people all the time and then he gets chumped.
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Feb 6, 2018 16:05
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If he was good Freiza, he'd be interesting. As it is, Freiza himself was way more interesting.
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Feb 6, 2018 16:49
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I hope Toyotaro doesn't just make Manga Frost turn out like he is in the anime, he's a lot more interesting there.
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Feb 6, 2018 16:50
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Black August posted:Please don’t spoil excerpts from Kale’s dream diary No, the dream diary is the stuff about Kale and Caulifla's wedding
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Spiritus Nox posted:No, the dream diary is the stuff about Kale and Caulifla's wedding what do you think the fusion was they are married now
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Manatee Cannon posted:I'm still mad we didn't have a kaiju fight between the u3 fusion and some great apes Now I'm sad that there wasn't a 3-way fight between Giant Piccolo, Giant Bergamo and U3 Fusion.  deadly_pudding posted:This tournament has had so many callbacks that I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Yajirobe shows up at the last second to save everybody from certain death. Or the ultimate Dragon Ball callback: asking someone math questions. EDIT: Hunt11 posted:Aren't they sisters? https://twitter.com/WeebSimpsons/status/920444143280836609 amigolupus fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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Feb 6, 2018 17:13
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Spiritus Nox posted:No, the dream diary is the stuff about Kale and Caulifla's wedding Aren't they sisters?
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Feb 6, 2018 17:16
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Hunt11 posted:Aren't they sisters? No. Its Japanese gang vernacular, like calling someone 'bro' when they aren't your brother.
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Zore posted:No. Its Japanese gang vernacular, like calling someone 'bro' when they aren't your brother. Huh. I just checked the wiki and it looks like you are right.
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Feb 6, 2018 17:21
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I can't wait for 17 to pull out a win, with the finale before the hiatus being a huge party on his boat.
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Feb 6, 2018 17:41
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Zore posted:No. Its Japanese gang vernacular, like calling someone 'bro' when they aren't your brother. Yeah it's the girl gang version of calling your gang leader "Aniki", or "Big Bro"
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Hunt11 posted:Aren't they sisters? Kale and Cauli are about as close to a woman's couple as a mainstream anime will dare to tread and I hope Goku gets invited to the wedding and the bouquet-toss is actually them putting on the earrings to fuse and kick Goku into the crowd like a deflated soccer ball
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Black August posted:Kale and Cauli are about as close to a woman's couple as a mainstream anime will dare to tread and I hope Goku gets invited to the wedding and the bouquet-toss is actually them putting on the earrings to fuse and kick Goku into the crowd like a deflated soccer ball Suddenly, Vegeta is all too excited to renew his vows with Bulma and join some competitive clown tossing.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:19
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The Bee posted:Suddenly, Vegeta is all too excited to renew his vows with Bulma and join some competitive clown tossing. Tell me with a straight face, looking unblinking into my eyes, that you would not sever a pound of flesh to see an episode of their wedding where Vegeta gets trashed as hell and completely melts down over how happy he is to be back with Saiyan culture, and one that isn't self-terminating. Then he annihilates half the estate brawling Goku when Cauli eggs him on.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:24
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Mordaedil posted:If he was good Freiza, he'd be interesting. As it is, Freiza himself was way more interesting. Extremely this. If Frost turned out to actually be a good version of Fr(ie/ei/ee)za it would have been more fun.
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Feb 6, 2018 19:15
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Good Frost would’ve been as bland as Cabba
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Feb 6, 2018 19:17
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Squallege posted:Good Frost would’ve been as bland as Cabba And Cabba was still more than Frost.
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Feb 6, 2018 19:24
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The problem with Frost is that if from the get-go you're setting him up to be 'Freeza except X' then you either end up with a dude lugging around a single main character trait or you actually need to devote screen time to exploring the 'except X' which the show isn't interested in.
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Feb 6, 2018 19:25
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Mordaedil posted:And Cabba was still more than Frost.
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Squallege posted:Good Frost would’ve been as bland as Cabba Nah. It could've been super good, especially with how Frost was written. Freeza is basically the pinnacle of evil in the show, so Frost was the exact opposite, so nice and lovable that people who cared the most about Goku literally turned against him because Frost was impossible to not root for. Making Frost just the most pure-hearted person ever would've been hilarious. Especially if the series still went as it did and Frost and Freeza met in the ToP, and both were just so incredibly disgusted at the other. Then again, literally anything would've been better than Lamer Freeza. Cooler already did that, and better at that!
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Feb 6, 2018 19:41
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Cabba is a very good boy who looks up to his master he owns
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Feb 6, 2018 19:42
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Cabba's not the worst character but his design is just dull puke. All of the new Saiyans are.
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Steve2911 posted:Cabba's not the worst character but his design is just dull puke. All of the new Saiyans are. I wonder if they were trying to do a thing like they're all skinny and compact because they stayed on their homeworld, and U7 Saiyans are all loving huge and jacked because their adopted world's gravity was different. That might be too clever to attribute to being on purpose.
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Feb 6, 2018 20:23
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I figure they just wanted to make them teenagers but they had no idea how to draw a teenager so instead they came across as weird bean people.
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Feb 6, 2018 20:26
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which is weird since the buu saga didn't have any problems with teenagers
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Feb 6, 2018 20:28
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Considering Kale gets buff even in her normal Super Saiyan form and the other two don't, it really seems to just be a weird design decision. I put it with blue haired Trunks in that the show decided to just run with it regardless of what we would expect.
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Feb 6, 2018 20:31
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I was really hoping they made his hair blue because he was going to stick around 
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the solution of having trunks and mai go live in another timeline was weird imo and they should have just kept him around if they were gonna bring him back anyway
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