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Mar 19, 2018 14:00
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jivjov posted:I wish I loved anything as much as Latin America loves Dragon Ball amiibo?
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Mar 19, 2018 14:00
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Kashuno posted:amiibo? While I have stood out in the rain for hours for amiibo...I wasn't cheering my heart out while doing so.
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Mar 19, 2018 14:02
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I would have preferred a more ordered tournament structure. As hype as UI has been, there's never really been any tension in the tournament since U7 has owned everyone effortlessly. Like I imagine a 10 v 10 structure of U7 vs. U11, have U7 go down like 5-2 early making the final 3 matches must wins.
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Mar 19, 2018 14:04
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And miss out on the glory of Freeza + 17 team? I think not
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Mar 19, 2018 14:13
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Kashuno posted:And miss out on the glory of Freeza + 17 team? I think not Yeah but Prince of All Sparkles would be better if it came about when literally the entire universe is on the line as opposed to a random power up that had no real affect on the tournament.
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Mar 19, 2018 14:22
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Kashuno posted:And miss out on the glory of Freeza + 17 team? I think not Watching people (them, usually) jump in to blindside/save people has been infinitely more entertaining than the normal beam struggle atatatat wow this guys are strong nonsense that clogs up episodes. Best tactics, best trash talk, best friends forever. Tournament brackets would have led to an even slower and more boring saga. As soon as things become "must-win" it becomes obvious that's what will happen.
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Mar 19, 2018 14:26
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My fav highlights of the ToP: - Goku and Vegeta's final kamehameha wrecking the trio de dangers - 17 and 18 owning U2 - Freeza loving Frost over - Father / Son Kamahameha and Uncle Makankosappo that elimates U2 and U6 - Caulifa and Kefla wrecking most of the pride troopers I mean, yeah there were a few bad episodes but otherwise everything has been a lot of good action.
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Mar 19, 2018 15:40
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When you think about it, Goku has used his friends' energy and/or friendship multiple times over the ToP (Spirit Bomb, Freeza giving him energy, Vegeta giving him energy. friendship UI powerup, friendship rage MUI powerup) ... but he still can't actually beat Jiren.
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Mar 19, 2018 15:46
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Natural 20 posted:I would have preferred a more ordered tournament structure. As hype as UI has been, there's never really been any tension in the tournament since U7 has owned everyone effortlessly. Another good option would have been to have a number of smaller battle royales. So each 'block' is one fighter from each universe. Would have allowed for a focus episode for each U7 fighter, while also allowing someone like Krillin or Roshi to actually matter in th long term.
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Mar 19, 2018 15:47
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Tony Hawk’s Kamehameha was easily the best move in this whole tournament and it’s not close But I guess the closest would Goku popping back in after near death with UI
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Mar 19, 2018 16:45
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Carlosologist posted:Tony Hawk’s Kamehameha was easily the best move in this whole tournament and it’s not close Ah gently caress I forgot about the Tony Hawk move. Yeah, that's great. 15 years ago if you told me Android 17 and Freeza teamed up to save the universe I would have said "gently caress off, that's some stupid fanfiction" and yet here we are and it's amazing 
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Mar 19, 2018 16:54
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Carlosologist posted:Tony Hawk’s Kamehameha was easily the best move in this whole tournament and it’s not close He did that a bunch of times last episode with hands and feet but there was so much going on, it didn't stand out as much as the first time. edit, here: https://gfycat.com/UnnaturalUnrealisticIberianmidwifetoad Darko fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 17:12
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He may only just now be getting any proper type of depth or characterization, but Jiren is still my favorite new thing to come out of this tournament. My favorite thing overall being how awesome 17 has become.
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Mar 19, 2018 17:14
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Pollyanna posted:Also this arc was longer than it needed to be. But it's only been 48 minutes. 
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Mar 19, 2018 17:44
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Rutibex posted:I disagree, Master Roshis episode was the highlight of the tournament. Roshis actually had character development, that's never happened before! Seeing roshi in the tournament only made me think of one thing. What the gently caress was he doing during the Saiyan saga?!
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Mar 19, 2018 19:08
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Jerking off to weird porn
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Mar 19, 2018 19:17
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Android 17 was the dude no gave a poo poo about in Z and the guy everyone hated in GT. To come back and be validated in such a godly display owns more than anything in DB history
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Mar 19, 2018 19:42
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I missed that arc when it originally aired, why did everyone hate 17 in GT
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Mar 19, 2018 19:44
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Calaveron posted:everyone hate...GT
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Mar 19, 2018 19:50
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Calaveron posted:I missed that arc when it originally aired, why did everyone hate 17 in GT From what I've gathered, people hated Super 17 design and that arc had some of the worse animation in the entire series. Personally I think he looks cool and it was clever for him to have the powers of all the androids.  That said, he didn't got much development since they were just tying loose ends.
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Mar 19, 2018 19:51
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Calaveron posted:I missed that arc when it originally aired, why did everyone hate 17 in GT Mixture of coming out of left field, accomplishing nothing in the overall scheme of things (aside from killing Krillin...again), starting with a cool premise that rapidly devolved into the Goku Show Yet Again, poor animation (maybe the lowest in GT standard?)
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Mar 19, 2018 19:52
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lezard_valeth posted:Mixture of coming out of left field, accomplishing nothing in the overall scheme of things (aside from killing Krillin...again), starting with a cool premise that rapidly devolved into the Goku Show Yet Again, poor animation (maybe the lowest in GT standard?) I mean, Goku got consistently dominated the entire fight and it was only due 18's involvement that he was able to win.
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Mar 19, 2018 19:54
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khwarezm posted:Seeing roshi in the tournament only made me think of one thing. Nappa nearly died from a districto disk. I bet Roshi could have Mafuba Vegita before he even realized that he was in danger.
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Mar 19, 2018 19:57
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Kashuno posted:Android 17 was the dude no gave a poo poo about in Z and the guy everyone hated in GT. To come back and be validated in such a godly display owns more than anything in DB history His arc was blatantly a product of a rushed schedule because GT was forced to continue beyond what it was meant to, giving us an arc that was even less creative than usual for GT (the main plot is taken straight from the Janemba movie, with enemies from Hell coming to Earth but accomplishing nothing, with a main villain that's just 17 again but with a worse design). The Super 17 fight was awful, with Goku acting completely out of character for Super 17's gimmick to work (energy absorption, so Goku fights as if he was Vegeta on steroids, shooting and shooting instead of punching the guy in the face). It also started GT's weird tendency to have Super Saiyan 4 be completely worthless and base Kid Goku be his strongest, ultimate form. That said, hilarious in hindsight, Gero said 17 was always meant to be stronger than Cell. It sounded incredibly stupid and it was a lame as hell retcon back then but uhh...I guess Toei was right after all.
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Mar 19, 2018 19:59
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They've done a good job of having 17 not win through being straight up stronger than (top tier) people. He's winning via his barrier & infinite energy gimmicks, helping others, and trying to survive instead of charging in headfirst and spontaneously gaining progressively more sparkly forms. His power level clearly wasn't even top 20 but the scoreboard is what counts at the end of the day.
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Mar 19, 2018 20:05
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One thing that really bugs me about Super is the auras are kinda distracting. I know colorful auras are like 30% of Dragonball, but I’m always relieved when they turn off the After Effects during certain fights. Wish 130 got that treatment to really appreciate the animation. Naturally, being the best character 17 has the least intrusive aura. Edit: Blaze Dragon posted:That said, hilarious in hindsight, Gero said 17 was always meant to be stronger than Cell. It sounded incredibly stupid and it was a lame as hell retcon back then but uhh...I guess Toei was right after all. Holy poo poo Gero is both the worst scientist and greatest inventor ever. TheHan fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 20:10
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sassassin posted:They've done a good job of having 17 not win through being straight up stronger than (top tier) people. He's winning via his barrier & infinite energy gimmicks, helping others, and trying to survive instead of charging in headfirst and spontaneously gaining progressively more sparkly forms. He's like, definitely in the top 10 when it comes to actual power level. The top 10 and the bottom 70 are not even close in power 1/2) Goku/Jiren 3) Vegeta 4) Kefla 5) Toppo 6) Freeza? 7) 17 8) Dyspo 9) Gohan? 10) Anilaza? Kashuno fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 20:13
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While I don't disagree I look forward to Mastered Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan God Mastered Ultra Instinct Kaio-Ken x10 Goku layers of auras.
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Mar 19, 2018 20:14
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I wonder, hmm... We know 17 is fourth in power from Universe 17, only behind Goku, Vegeta and Freeza. From other Universes: Jiren, Toppo, Hit and Kefla are or were matches for Goku, so they're all above 17. Anilaza also requiered a team effort, so that's above 17. I don't think there's anyone else that'd genuinely be able to stand to 17 power-wise, putting him on a comfortable 9th place. That said, I agree with sassassin, the ToP has done a great job showing how 17 isn't neccesarily super powerful so much as he's extremely clever and knows how to use his infinite energy to his advantage.
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Mar 19, 2018 20:17
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I was gonna say 17's aura reminds me of Gohan and Krillin's post-Guru unlock auras, so it's a bit of a downer that it isn't cool like Goku and Vegeta's blue and Golden Freeza's red. Edit: Anilaza was arguably the strongest person in the ToP being it took 5 people to take him down.
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Mar 19, 2018 20:17
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I’m extremely excited for Beerus to become GoD of one big universe 7, and for Champa and the rest to basically be his salarymen
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Mar 19, 2018 20:18
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Blaze Dragon posted:His arc was blatantly a product of a rushed schedule because GT was forced to continue beyond what it was meant to, giving us an arc that was even less creative than usual for GT (the main plot is taken straight from the Janemba movie, with enemies from Hell coming to Earth but accomplishing nothing, with a main villain that's just 17 again but with a worse design). The Super 17 fight was awful, with Goku acting completely out of character for Super 17's gimmick to work (energy absorption, so Goku fights as if he was Vegeta on steroids, shooting and shooting instead of punching the guy in the face). It also started GT's weird tendency to have Super Saiyan 4 be completely worthless and base Kid Goku be his strongest, ultimate form. he did die via Dragon Fist though, a move i wish Super would bring into canon it's goku's one original move and it's cool as hell
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Mar 19, 2018 20:18
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Kashuno posted:He's like, definitely in the top 10 when it comes to actual power level. EDIT: Never mind, realized you meant only in the tournament.
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Mar 19, 2018 20:19
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Carlosologist posted:I’m extremely excited for Beerus to become GoD of one big universe 7, and for Champa and the rest to basically be his salarymen the new Chief God Of Destruction will be decided through the ancient ritual of The Baseball Game as the universe's greatest sports champion, the fate of all worlds now rests on yamcha
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Mar 19, 2018 20:20
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As yes Shin, the leader of the kais. This can only end well.
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Mar 19, 2018 20:20
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Gohan is easily more powerful than 17, raw power wise- he's roughly equal to SSJ Blue Goku and Vegeta and only falls short when they go to the next level of Kaioken and Sparkles Anilaza might be third strongest or the strongest over all- we have no idea how he'd stack against a serious Jiren or UI Goku. Just that he was able to go toe to toe with the strongest fighters of U7 going mostly all out.
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Mar 19, 2018 20:21
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I still think 18 deserved just as much love.
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Mar 19, 2018 20:21
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TheHan posted:One thing that really bugs me about Super is the auras are kinda distracting. I know colorful auras are like 30% of Dragonball, but I’m always relieved when they turn off the After Effects during certain fights. Wish 130 got that treatment to really appreciate the animation. i love how with every new android Gero becomes the weirdest scientist of all time like he made beyond SSJ-tier robots to fight saiyan-saga goku. and apparently was constantly downgrading them with each new iteration??? and also has like 40 genetic supermen growing in his basement
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Mar 19, 2018 20:23
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Carlosologist posted:I’m extremely excited for Beerus to become GoD of one big universe 7, and for Champa and the rest to basically be his salarymen Oh boy, we can finally have the Society Survival Saga! Yinlock posted:he did die via Dragon Fist though, a move i wish Super would bring into canon On the one hand, I agree, Dragon Fist is cool as hell. On the other, it'd be really OOC for Goku to have a move he didn't steal from someone else, so I'm okay with it still not being canon. Kashuno posted:As yes The others will just ignore him and do as they please. No one cares about Shin, not even his subordinates.
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Mar 19, 2018 20:23
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