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ImpAtom posted:I mean like 4 different people survived suicide attacks in this arc alone, including Vegeta. It's definitely an arc-wide lame thing along with sacrifice eliminations
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I want Frieza to live I know it's in character for him to get killed again but it just seems like such a waste
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I can't believe how much super loves android 17, holy poo poo. that's the one thing that consistently surprised me about this whole tournament I've been kinda down on parts of this arc but that ending was awesome and superbly animated. lol at anyone that doubted the zenos. I'll miss this show while it's gone Blockhouse posted:It's definitely an arc-wide lame thing along with sacrifice eliminations yea the death fakeouts got old real fast
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Oxxidation posted:i doubt toriyama had much to do with anything except the broadest outlines of this whole arc, otherwise the fukken mess that was jiren would be enough proof that the man's probably better off not writing again for a while He probably didn’t, but that doesn’t change anything. Like what do you think an outline is. Though Jiren is explicitly his fault.
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Mar 25, 2018 05:43
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At least have 17 end up with his hand like the Terminator or something.
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Mar 25, 2018 05:44
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Surprised they revived Freezypop in the end, not surprised they forgot about the concept of the MVP wish. Pretty sweet ending, coulda been better, coulda been worse.
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Oxxidation posted:i doubt toriyama had much to do with anything except the broadest outlines of this whole arc, otherwise the fukken mess that was jiren would be enough proof that the man's probably better off not writing again for a while In an interview they said Toriyama was the one who passed the memo with the elimination order to Toei which could either mean: a) Toei going "look, it's what the author wanted" as a failsafe to fall back into if they write something that turns out to be unpopular b) Toriyama trying to troll Toei, Toei not realising it, and pulling through spectacularly anyways
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Mar 25, 2018 05:47
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Oxxidation posted:17 surviving his suicide attack was where he became such a blatant creator's pet that it let a lot of the air out of the climax for me if someone surviving a suicide attack was shocking then hello, welcome to your first anime ever
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Mar 25, 2018 05:48
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So uh, good thing like nobody else besides U7 won or all of existence would have been erased, huh?
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I loved the ending, and was impressed by how many thematic beats they were able to cover. Felt like a great close to Dragon Ball Super and felt a lot less abrupt than I'd been expecting. Goku and Freeza in their Namek forms fighting side by side was a big "wow we've come a long way" moment and also a nice callback to one of the series' high points, if not THE high point. I also liked how the Tournament of Power ended on some of the most brutal, exhausted fight sequences we've seen in all of Super, again reminding me of some of the early DBZ fights. Even the fighters themselves were surprised they were still standing by this point. I thought Jiren getting the My Bulma Vegeta power-up tied the character up nicely. Jiren learned at an early age that friends were weaknesses and that he should only believe in himself. So it was a good moment to see him finally accept friendship at a time when his belief fails him, and take strength in a personal connection. Ultimately what defeats Jiren is Goku's very character. Whereas Jiren is about being invulnerable and unsurpassed, Goku is all about finding and surpassing limits. The characters articulate this earlier in the arc and Goku says "what's the difference? we both want to get stronger" but the difference is Goku values strength for his own sake, whereas Jiren wants strength to protect himself. Because of this Goku wants everyone he fights to be stronger too, including his rivals, so that they're better challenges for him. It's this pure excitement of Goku's that wins over even Freeza's respect in the end and gives U7 the final push they need. The Angels and Zen-ohs doing this tournament as a test to see if mortals were worth saving was a cool thematic callback to the Zamasu arc. Going in I expected the ending to be a "we erased all the universes!!! ... from the stickerbook ipad, don't worry everyone is fine" twist sorta like the Battle of Gods ending. I agree with whoever said earlier it would have been more interesting and tense if Freeza was in 17's position and had to make that wish, but I'll take the Goku/Freeza tag team and be happy. As far as Freeza goes, I don't expect him to be babysitting Pan anytime soon, but one interesting thing about Freeza to keep in mind is that he spent most of his life peerless, nobody was strong enough to touch him and anyone getting close had their planet blown up. Freeza never had a reason to respect another person as an equal before Goku showed up, but now he's had some time to get used to the idea, and this episodes shows he's capable of some measure of respect for others. Finally I was a huge fan of 17 when I was a kid and I'm glad he got tons of love in the TOP. Here's hoping they bring back Cell in Dragon Ball Ultra and give him some love too.
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bobjr posted:This also means one other thing. I legitimately love him
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Honestly I came away liking Jiren a lot more once it all ended. His aloofness makes sense in retrospect seeing as how he’s a giant rear end in a top hat who hadn’t ever been beaten before
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Carlosologist posted:Honestly I came away liking Jiren a lot more once it all ended. His aloofness makes sense in retrospect seeing as how he’s a giant rear end in a top hat who hadnt been beaten in a really long time another inverse of goku, who jackie chun beat early on specifically to teach him humility
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Mar 25, 2018 05:51
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TheKingofSprings posted:King Kai is loving seething right now being dead doesn't actually seem to bother him much though
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Mar 25, 2018 05:52
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lezard_valeth posted:In an interview they said Toriyama was the one who passed the memo with the elimination order to Toei which could either mean: There's a screen cap making the rounds on a DBS super threads with one of the series directors/producers that is pretty much just him gushing about how awesome 17 is. If is real and no just something someone pulled out of their asses, it would explain quite a bit.
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TheKingofSprings posted:King Kai is loving seething right now on the one hand, it wasn't goku that revived him on the other hand, he's got friends that could apparently do this with the wave of a hand
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Mar 25, 2018 05:52
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Someone go back in time 3 years and tell everyone that Android 17 would be Hero of The Multiverse.
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Mar 25, 2018 05:56
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Manatee Cannon posted:on the one hand, it wasn't goku that revived him Not even that, think about it Before Goku even knew who Whis was he showed up to King Kai's planet and seemed like he was on cordial terms He could've done this the entire time
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Mar 25, 2018 06:00
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Funky Valentine posted:Someone go back in time 3 years and tell everyone that Android 17 would be Hero of The Multiverse. Dr. Gero, technically.
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Mar 25, 2018 06:01
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Basically the thing that saved the multiverse? Hating Goku
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Mar 25, 2018 06:02
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Funky Valentine posted:Someone go back in time 3 years and tell everyone that Android 17 would be Hero of The Multiverse. Someone other than Trunks.
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Mar 25, 2018 06:02
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17 can be rivals with Piccolo now that they’ve hooked back up. 17 is the Hero of Creation. Piccolo can be a ‘bad’ guy again.
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I'm just glad everyone had a happy ending.  Well, except for all those people on that planet Freeza's about to conquer, but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess.
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Also finale was solid and felt good, makes sense Goku can’t UI when he isn’t pushed to ‘Fight For The Universe’s Survival’ levels of raw gently caress, bet he can go Sign still if he has to fight something super nasty though
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I can't believe Vegeta was relegated to being a pompous witness
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Black August posted:Also finale was solid and felt good, makes sense Goku can’t UI when he isn’t pushed to ‘Fight For The Universe’s Survival’ levels of raw gently caress, bet he can go Sign still if he has to fight something super nasty though I do like that UI is a form that can only ever be achieved when Goku is pushed to his absolute limit. It's not like the super saiyan bargain sale.
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Now the real question is if Vegeta can still go Royal Blue which is basically Sign level and Destroyer tier because if yes ...Vegeta may have actually ended up a little ahead of Goku.
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Mar 25, 2018 06:10
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I'm bummed out we never actually got to see 17's family.
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Manatee Cannon posted:yea the death fakeouts got old real fast Had 17 actually died, you'd have just gotten another brief scene in the epilogue where Goku & Friends revive him. Or poo poo, a scene where Whis revives him alongside Frieza since that's a thing he can do now. Sacrificing yourself only really has a lot of punch if there's actual consequences, and we're at the point where death in the Dragon Ball universe is just something that eats up your weekend.
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Black August posted:Now the real question is if Vegeta can still go Royal Blue which is basically Sign level and Destroyer tier because if yes I thought the prince of all sparkles was Vegeta's answer to kaioken blue, not UI.
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Pants Donkey posted:Honestly, as long as the regular ol' dragon balls are a thing then the sacrificial attacks will always lose a lot of their dramatic impact regardless of their outcome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk1oPhkUZFw
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I love how the last shot of Goku and Vegeta is them going, "alright, now let's get even stronger." Motherfuckers, you've already surpassed the gods themselves. What more do you want?
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Mar 25, 2018 06:17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxNjYs63RD8&t=102s Need an update to this for Frieza
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Whole episode owned, couldn't have wished for more. Freeza and UNDISPUTED MVP 17 working together was great, Freeza and Goku even better. A real shame it's the end of the series (for now) when there's actually a lot of potential plot on the table.
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Jiren going "so that's what trust is," while Goku and Freeza double team him was a pretty great ironic line. Like, Freeza just attempted to murder Goku and betray his universe an hour ago.
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That was a surprisingly strong closer all things considered. I think we were all pretty worried about the pacing since so much had to be covered, but they did a drat good job at it. As far as Super as a whole goes, I liked it a lot. The main problem with every arc but the Universe 6 tournament was pacing though, and you could probably trim at least a dozen episodes of content while making the quality go up. The only blatantly terrible thing I can think of was the mafuba seal garbage, and Future Trunks not having a universe anymore because that was some poo poo. Otherwise, while the writing may have been inconsistent at times it was still enjoyable to watch. Other than Trunks not having a universe anymore (which is real bad) I don't know what else in this series could really be seen as the lowest of the low. Watching Buu Kai lately shows that god drat was the whole Gotenks/Gohan vs Super Buu stuff bad. You want lowest lows, go watch that.
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Black August posted:Now the real question is if Vegeta can still go Royal Blue which is basically Sign level and Destroyer tier because if yes I think the idea was that Royal Blue and Ultimate Instinct were things they were only able to do because of the immense pressure they were under during the tournament, rather than being able to just pull that poo poo out willy nilly like all their other transformations. I don't think they'll never be able to use them again, just don't expect to see those forms being used literally all the time. I mean hell, the only times Goku activates Ultra Instinct are... well, instinctive. So the only time you'll ever see that power-up is when he's in serious poo poo.
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