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Legit good and interesting study on the NY Times site.
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if the new york times is reporting on racism, it must not exist right
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Mar 23, 2018 04:24
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It’s good when they let the occasional good piece of reporting happen. Shame about the dogshit op-eds and starting the Iraq War
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Mar 23, 2018 04:26
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GalacticAcid posted:It’s good when they let the occasional good piece of reporting happen. Shame about the dogshit op-eds and starting the Iraq War The NYT did 9/11 so they could publish op-eds that provided the final crucial push to war
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Mar 23, 2018 04:29
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a david brooks has a column titled “speaking as a white male...” which seems to conclude wih an argument against any sort of ideology whatsoever but idk i’m high and skimmed it and it’s brooks such a great brooks title though, just instant classic https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/977011997006065671
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Mar 23, 2018 05:38
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This thread is becoming an RSS feed for David Brooks columns and I don't know if that's sad or Mission Accomplished
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Mar 23, 2018 05:44
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bari’s been quiet lately and brett hasn’t had a hot one in a while
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Mar 23, 2018 05:48
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bari’s gonna write a glowing piece about bolton after he publicly demands bombing iran
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Mar 23, 2018 05:52
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did the failing new york times tell lies to start the spanish american war or just the war on terror
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Mar 23, 2018 06:38
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no really we don't talk enough about the shitbirds in management (baquet, bennett, etc)
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Mar 23, 2018 12:03
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:whoa the atlantic makes a bold move to acquire some of the failing nyt's marketshare honestly this is the more logically consistent position for abortion opponents who actually believe their hype and aren't just flinging it around as a culture war issue based around forcing women to suffer consequences for sex
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Mar 23, 2018 13:15
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NY Times has a strong op-ed against Bolton. Their evidence that he is a crazed warmonger? A NY Times op-ed. https://nyti.ms/2pz9SnY
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Mar 23, 2018 14:53
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Mar 23, 2018 15:19
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Mar 23, 2018 15:29
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:whoa the atlantic makes a bold move to acquire some of the failing nyt's marketshare I always think of that rear end in a top hat eviction proceedings column he wrote
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Mar 23, 2018 15:34
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gradenko_2000 posted:This thread is becoming an RSS feed for David Brooks columns and I don't know if that's sad or Mission Accomplished https://mobile.twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/977162107048415233 also, on a non-NYTimes note, WaPo gave an opinion slot to David Thweatt, superintendent of Harrold ISD, to talk about how his policy of arming teachers has secured his school against shooters. oddly enough, the article didn't mention any of the other security measures he's put into place, like preventing transgender students from using the bathroom of the gender they identify with (which he justified by claiming that a dangerous transgender terrorist might somehow use that to bypass their access-controlled doors and 1-2 ratio of security cameras to students)
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Mar 23, 2018 16:25
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https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/977196830785265664
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Mar 23, 2018 16:45
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the PSA dorks keep a token conservative around lol?
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Mar 23, 2018 17:38
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The Kingfish posted:the PSA dorks keep a token conservative around lol? this fits perfectly with their Brand, why not
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Mar 23, 2018 18:12
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it would be cool if they kept a conservative nerd around to bully and berate like fox news used to do with alan colmes
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Mar 23, 2018 18:16
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https://twitter.com/veryimportant/status/977238223436107776
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Mar 23, 2018 18:40
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GalacticAcid posted:it would be cool if they kept a conservative nerd around to bully and berate like fox news used to do with alan colmes whenever he’s on one of their podcast they introduce his segment as “the cuck zone” or some poo poo like that to try and make light of the fact that they’re lending their platform to someone who holds 95% of the positions of trump and the gop
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Mar 23, 2018 18:42
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:they introduce his segment as “the cuck zone” lmfao is this real
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Mar 23, 2018 18:43
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gradenko_2000 posted:This thread is becoming an RSS feed for David Brooks columns and I don't know if that's sad or Mission Accomplished  On the one hand, it means more people are hatereading his column, on the other, he's one of the most egregious examples of everything that is wrong Earlier this week I checked out what Friedman was doing, and he wrote a column saying Trump was not a real Republician and like Putin, he doesn't give a poo poo about anything aside from his own aggrandizement, the whole thing was so in a really mild sense generally reasonable it gave me a brief existential crisis quote:Busy fighting communism and fascism, people back then emphasized individual reason and were deeply allergic to groupthink. the 1940s and '50s, the height of critical thinking, when people resisted the idea that cigarettes gave you cancer and the dominant model of psychological health was based on conformance with gender roles quote:We don’t think this way anymore, and in fact thinking this way can get you into trouble. I guess the first step was the rise of perspectivism. This is the belief, often traced back to Nietzsche, that what you believe is determined by where you stand: Our opinions are not guided by objective truth, because there is no such thing; they are guided by our own spot in society. Brooks loving up philosophy isn't surprising, but his fuckups in this case are illuminating, at least. Brooks is gonna infer a false dichotomy between good conservative virtue vs. "those people", but good conservative virtue in this case is objective truth, IE truth or reason unconstrained by perspective. Brooks even gets one thing right about perspectivism: that it denies that such a truth could ever exist. Brooks then conflates perspectivism with other stuff he intends to criticize, which isn't too surprising, and of course has the point of *why* people started thinking like this flies way over his head. The actual start of perspectivism was - Charles Darwin publishing The Origin of Species. It's immediate, enormous impact got philosophers thinking about its implications as to where things like our basic concepts, like truth, logic, or language actually come from. (Previously musings along this line had a distinctly religious tinge to it, since God created everything and had imbued humanity with unique intellectual powers, which wasn't exactly a "hey, don't worry about it" from God, but was functionally pretty close.) Nietzsche was a perspectivist in his late writings (in his earlier writings he hasn't quite figured out what he thinks, moving between pragmatist and post-modern denials of truth) which is a distinction naturally lost. Pragmatism/perspectivism BTW is a place where American philosophy in particular really shines - with C.S. Pierce, William James, and John Dewey, who called their perspectiveism pragmatism. Influential in their day, the 1940s and 50s Brooks waxes so fondly about mostly forgot about pragmatism, much to its determent. I don't know if Brooks has anything in this beyond saying "NOT MY VIEW, TF BAD." TBH as a practice I don't think his flavor of conservatism is affected very much at all. What it does affect of course is authority, since it means he becomes not the unquestionable rational voice of authority, but just another - person - who can be blindsided by bad thinking and bias just like all the other people out there. The notion that there can be no better thought than a white man "thinking rationally" is I think a major part of why the new atheists went so bad. They treated "reason" as a blank check to ignore their own biases and soon enough, justify their own prejudice. There being no one true way in a world of endless complexity is a pain in the rear end too, from a political perspective, since you'd have to freely concede that you screw up and get it wrong all the time. I think this is the major factor here, as well as why J. Petersen assholes have such gigantic, yet inarticulate problems with pragmatism. Not only does such thinking destroy political absolutes, it destroys the throne of white male privilege they are accustomed to speaking from. That can't explicitly justify it - that would make them look like assholes. At the same time, they love their privilege desperately, and try to hold onto it with handwaving about FREE SPEECH (the right for white privilege to say what it wants and not be criticized by 'those people') or (where Brooks is going with this, the HOLY SANCTITY OF REASON (IE his reason) and the tribal attacks of 'cultural Marxism' IE anybody who points out his bias or prejudice. I have no idea if this is a deliberate rhetorical defense, or hand-waving because to realize the very existence of the privilege throne is to destroy it Speaking of cultural Marxism  quote:Then came Michel Foucault [can I just point out he treats Foucault exactly like Jordon Petersen does, as a devious Frenchman Marxist (who neither of them has ever read) and who's philosophical work was about the destruction of the 'objective' as detailed above, one who furthermore minced no words in describing actual post-moderns who thought 'truth does not exist, and that is a truth' as bunko artists?] and critical race theorists and the rest, and the argument that society is structured by elites to preserve their privilege. Beliefs and culture are part of the structure elites use to preserve that inequality. This led, in the common parlance, to the assumption that your beliefs are determined by your group’s privilege or lack of privilege, by where your group is within the power structure.[...]We’ve shifted from an emphasis on individual judgment toward a greater emphasis on collective experience. I notice that even in my own line of work. When I started, it was very important for opinion writers to never think of themselves as a Republican or a Democrat. We were individual inquirers, not polemicists for some political team. Over the years, many people stopped making that distinction. quote:When you read discussions of op-ed writers you see that we’re often not thought of as individual thinkers, but as spokesmen who are here to represent a point of view. People get upset when a certain group is not represented on the page. C'MON CSPAM DO BETTER What else...oh yeah, lol quote:And there are other times when collective thinking seems positively corrupting. Why are people’s views of global warming, genetically modified foods and other scientific issues strongly determined by political label? That seems ridiculous. writes the man who sees literally everything through the lends of partisanship quote:Our whole education system is [ed note: maybe for richers, but not for anyone else] based on the idea that we train individuals to be critical thinkers. Our political system is based on the idea that persuasion and deliberation lead to compromise and toward truth. The basis of human dignity is our capacity to make up our own minds. One of the things I’ve learned in a lifetime in journalism is that people are always more unpredictable than their categories. That's David Brooks there, saying 'partisanship is stupid, just be atoms OK' Or maybe "do as I say, not as I do" This has been David Brooks missing the point - special to CSPAM Nebakenezzer has issued a correction as of 19:02 on Mar 23, 2018 |
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I haven't read a single David Brooks column since my undergrad days when I had to for a paper. I decided then he was an idiot who is always wrong about everything, and that hasn't failed me yet.
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Mar 23, 2018 19:28
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Tewdrig posted:NY Times has a strong op-ed against Bolton. Their evidence that he is a crazed warmonger? A NY Times op-ed.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I haven't read a single David Brooks column since my undergrad days when I had to for a paper. I decided then he was an idiot who is always wrong about everything, and that hasn't failed me yet. but have you really considered the possibility that under-education about italian cold-cuts is the driving force for anxiety among the American working class?
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Mar 23, 2018 19:37
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LGD posted:but have you really considered the possibility that under-education about italian cold-cuts is the driving force for anxiety among the American working class? The one good thing about David Brooks's columns is you can tell how loving stupid they are just from the titles and intro paragraphs.
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Mar 23, 2018 19:38
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david brooks is pure distilled nyt and has historically been the worst part of the paper
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Mar 23, 2018 20:16
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Editorial: We Stand With The Students and also with a bunch of midwestern Trump voters who think they're dumb punk kids and who are the only people who will let us interview them any more.
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Mar 24, 2018 18:37
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Mar 25, 2018 02:02
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I can't believe I agree with Oliver Willis.
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Mar 25, 2018 02:05
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string every boomer newspaper editor from the nearest streetpole
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Mar 25, 2018 04:25
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I can't believe I agree with Oliver Willis. The power of the NYT I've never heard of Oliver Willis, who is he?
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Mar 25, 2018 18:37
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Nebakenezzer posted:The power of the NYT shareblue in his bio, so he is bad.
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Mar 25, 2018 18:40
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The breathless takes about The New Model For Student Protest make me twingey and cringey because MY first protest was against the Iraq War and my second significant invovlement was Occupy, and kids let me tell you a little something about what happens when the dems decide to punch left on your particular hobby horse issue:
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Willie Tomg posted:The breathless takes about The New Model For Student Protest make me twingey and cringey because MY first protest was against the Iraq War and my second significant invovlement was Occupy, and kids let me tell you a little something about what happens when the dems decide to punch left on your particular hobby horse issue: 
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I remember in high school AP Literature (I think 2003) our teacher had us read two op-eds, with one intended to be liberal and other intended to be conservative, I guess for "balance" or something. The two op-eds were by Maureen Dowd and George Will. I remember they were both bad.
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