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Straight Silver is so goddamn good. I wish that Sabbat Martyr had been longer so it could give proper page space to all the plot threads so a proper conclusion for everything could be made. It feels super truncated.
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bango skank posted:I'm almost half way through my reread of Gaunt and I just finished Straight Silver. I remembered Cuu and Bragg and Corbec, but I forgot about Muril. Lijah Fething Cuu I don't think I've ever hated a book character as much as that bastard, sure as sure.
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Bang3r posted:Lijah Fething Cuu Meryn.
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Apr 3, 2018 08:55
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Meryn ends up playing the part I thought Rawne would when I first started reading. Even before Warmaster he's murking civilians duing Larisel in Guns of Tanith, then there's the stuff with Soric later on. Rawne actually turns out to be an okay guy.
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Apr 3, 2018 09:08
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Rawne's a bastard but a bastard you can trust Meryn.... not so much
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Apr 3, 2018 09:33
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It's more Rawne simply grows up and matures into an officer, whilst Meryn absorbs all the worst teachings but doesn't grow with it. Both of them remain ruthless, only Rawne has morals too.
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Apr 3, 2018 13:52
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The thing about Rawne is that it's always said that he's a bastard, but never really shown. I never got the feeling that he would be capable of doing most of the vile poo poo that Meryn has done.
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Apr 3, 2018 14:05
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I find Meryn a much more compelling antagonist than Cuu. Cuu was just a psycho but Meryn has more layers to him. It seems like Abnett focuses much more on characters now than he used to, to the point of actually having his action scenes be few and far between now because he's one of the few BL authors who has characters that can carry a book without action.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:31
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Well that tends to happen when the majority of characters get killed off and whittled down to a few particulars.
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Apr 3, 2018 18:17
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Just finished Playing Patience in The Magos and goddamn, Wynston Frauka is my favorite character ever. His whole shtick with the lho-sticks and "these'll kill you, you know?" Is so dime-novel detective quality.
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Apr 3, 2018 20:41
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Laughing Zealot posted:The thing about Rawne is that it's always said that he's a bastard, but never really shown. I never got the feeling that he would be capable of doing most of the vile poo poo that Meryn has done. a lovely king posted:I find Meryn a much more compelling antagonist than Cuu. Cuu was just a psycho but Meryn has more layers to him.
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Apr 3, 2018 21:40
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Laughing Zealot posted:The thing about Rawne is that it's always said that he's a bastard, but never really shown. I never got the feeling that he would be capable of doing most of the vile poo poo that Meryn has done. I think it's because he's described that way at the start of the series, when he genuinely is the darker shade of grey next to Corbec and Gaunt. I think it's less Rawne getting better than the rest of the Ghosts getting worse.
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Apr 3, 2018 22:46
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Cythereal posted:I think it's because he's described that way at the start of the series, when he genuinely is the darker shade of grey next to Corbec and Gaunt. I think it's less Rawne getting better than the rest of the Ghosts getting worse. "I didn't bring any [civilians]", right? honestly I'm not sure gaunt's ghosts can keep up the momentum after warmaster though. A lot harder to justify a lord militant general getting in the thick of it, after all
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Apr 3, 2018 22:57
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The Iron Rose posted:"I didn't bring any [civilians]", right? ...Huh. I guess I really do need to try to get my hands on Warmaster.
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Spoilers for Warmaster. I think Gaunt is going to have a full on mutiny on his hands pretty soon. His efforts to protect the ghosts turned into them bearing the brunt of an assault. And the power granted to him by his promotion pretty much immediately had negative repercussions. He wasn't thinking like a colonel, he was thinking like a General. While that helped them hold off the offensive it did not help his standing with the ghosts. He got more and more distant from them as the book went on and now Rawne of all people is running the show. Rawne will remain loyal to Gaunt I'm sure but even as regarded as he is he doesn't command the same respect that Gaunt Corbec or Kolea do. And his inability to handle his bad eggs like Meryn is going to be a big problem.
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Rereading Pariah after Magos is a loving trip. Highly recommended.
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The part in Pariah that really threw me for a loop after reading The Magos was when they talk about the multiple wars over the centuries, and how they "Make their own angels" to fight against Chaos. The first time I read that I thought they were referring to Space Marines. Re-reading that after The Magos... huh, they were actually making angels.
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Randalor posted:The part in Pariah that really threw me for a loop after reading The Magos was when they talk about the multiple wars over the centuries, and how they "Make their own angels" to fight against Chaos. The first time I read that I thought they were referring to Space Marines. Re-reading that after The Magos... huh, they were actually making angels. I'm churning my way through the 20 hour audiobook right now. Great short stories, but the Magos is giving me hope that the Pariah sequel isn't too far away at this point. It feels like Magos and some of the newer stories were Abnett getting back into the mindset of writing Eisehnorn, et al.
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Randalor posted:The part in Pariah that really threw me for a loop after reading The Magos was when they talk about the multiple wars over the centuries, and how they "Make their own angels" to fight against Chaos. The first time I read that I thought they were referring to Space Marines. Re-reading that after The Magos... huh, they were actually making angels. Wut Can you explain this I read both and idk
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Waroduce posted:Wut So like when Eisenhorn and the Biologist are in the Warp Loom, they interrogate the traitor Savant lady. When she's spilling the beans about the nature of the Warp Loom, she's talking about Transformation and anti-corruption inoculations. When she's talking about these, she's talking about conversion processes that involve taking test subjects, hollowing out their human souls, taking the human soul, twinning it with warp entities, and putting it back in the human body. The "Good Daemons" bit is the fact that these entities are devoid of chaotic or normal human corruption. Likely, or literally incorruptible, they can use enuncia without the hangups of a normal or specialist human that have been illustrated throughout the Eisenhorn/Ravenor books. They're angels in the sense that they're vessels for the King in Yellow's will, and exist without free will or advocacy of their own.
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Waroduce posted:Wut Immanentized summed it up, but the Eudaemonic wars involved human-made Daemons (the Eudaemonic beings/Graels.) Pariah pg 108: "All saints become the same too,' he said. "Eudaemonia, my lady. The wars of good daemons. We fight such wars all the time. We build angels to face down the dark. One day, they will not just beat the dark back, but they will conquer it entirely. Angels, mamzel. This is the Angelus Subsector after all." When I first read it, I thought that the "We build angels to face down the dark" was referring to (possibly knock-off) Space Marines, considering Deathrow was described as being similar in stature to a space marine when he is introduced and a veteran from the war. The Magos makes it clear that, nope, the Cognitae, if nobody else, knows how to make daemons.
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Randalor posted:Immanentized summed it up, but the Eudaemonic wars involved human-made Daemons (the Eudaemonic beings/Graels.) But deathrow is Alpharius V *I'm just messing around Immanentized fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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Immanentized posted:But deathrow is Alpharius Deathrow's real name is revealed after the history of the wars though. I did say the first time I read it I thought it was referring to Space Marines (I mean, what else in 40k fit with "We build angels to face down the dark"?), while The Magos makes it clear what exactly is going on as far as that line is concerned.
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I feel like the whole good daemons for the emperor thing is kind of new isn't it? like you had Khayon meeting the voice of the emperor from one of the black legion books, the fall of Cadia and all the saints and now this Magos poo poo. Am I missing anything? Maybe that deus ex machina space marine chapter that shows up out of the warp to gently caress poo poo up It's def an interesting concept and kind of logical. The warp is a reflection and all that if there are bad daemons why not some good ones too?
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Apr 6, 2018 13:17
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Waroduce posted:I feel like the whole good daemons for the emperor thing is kind of new isn't it? The ones in The Magos and Pariah probably aren't on the side of the Imperium, considering that the members of the Cognitae keep referring to the Emperor as the corpse-god or rot-emperor and the like. And that the ones shown in the Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies fall firmly on the chaos and anarchy side of the spectrum when it comes to mindsets. They may not worship chaos and see it as a means to an end, but they've always been portrayed as firmly anti-Imperium. That being said, I'm happy that "If the warp and chaos is a reflection of the thoughts and desires of reality, where are the good daemons?" is being played with more now.
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Yeah its a cool trend but warp entities that embody good aspects aren't necessarily good. Dragon Age had a decent subplot with a justice 'demon' going completely batshit crazy in its crusade against injustice.
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Waroduce posted:I feel like the whole good daemons for the emperor thing is kind of new isn't it?
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That depends on what you define the Eldar gods as.
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It was literally spelled out as exactly that in WHFRP and the same-era Fantasy/40k crossover stuff.
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A couple of weeks ago I got onto this 40k wiki kick and have just been meandering my way through various pages. I hesitate to ask, because even now it still seems like it's just some hallucination, but, did Robute Guillimane actually come back to life? And even less likely, did GW really finally advance the date past 999.99? Anyone have a reading list for this stuff?
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Galvanik posted:A couple of weeks ago I got onto this 40k wiki kick and have just been meandering my way through various pages. I hesitate to ask, because even now it still seems like it's just some hallucination, but, did Robute Guillimane actually come back to life? And even less likely, did GW really finally advance the date past 999.99? Yes and Yes Official Canon and reading order for resurrection, etc is Gathering Storm Part I - Cadia Stands (sorta) Gathering Storm Part II - Eldar Goddess Gathering Storm Part III - I told you I'd be back Devastation of Ba'al The Carrion Throne Dark Imperium - Main story of the Indomitus Crusade Wardens of the throne: The Emperor's Legion (Brackets the before and after of the Primarch's return) Crusade - Short stories set in M42 (or is it) Lead Up to M42 and the big man in Blue: Warzone Fenris The Wrath of Magnus
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The official canonical date is that nobody knows what year it actually is, there are multiple competing theories, it's probably past 40,000 though
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Guy Goodbody posted:The official canonical date is that nobody knows what year it actually is, there are multiple competing theories, it's probably past 40,000 though "Ordo Chronos!  "-Roboute Guilliman
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Groetgaffel posted:"Ordo Chronos! One of my favorite conspiracy theories is the Phantom Time Hypothesis, which says that the Middle Ages never happened. We are currently living in the year like 1725, a bunch of monks made up like three hundred years of fake history, for some reason. There's also the New Chronology, which says that the majority of history took place in the last 1000 years, but then a bunch of monks made up a fake elongated history in an attempt to discredit the Russian Orthodox Church, I think? So it's great that the Imperium has that kind of poo poo going on too.
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Except FTL travel inherently fucks with time and due to warp travel potentially being time travel too 40k just literally cannot standardise time across the Imperium.
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Astropathic communication is a thing that exists as well. If they depended on ships traversing the warp for interstellar communication I'd understand saying they can't standardize a calendar, but with functionally instantaneous FTL communication it's down to incompetence which is much more 40k.
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moths posted:Warp isn't really FTL though, it's basically just a shortcut outside of reality. Warp is strange because not only can it be faster than light, it can also be way way slower than light sometimes or just go to a time before that light even existed. Gotta love the warp.
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