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Warming my piece of poo poo heart by burning my horrible books
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Alloy you wouldn't let babyfucker be botm because you were afraid it would be seen as condoning pedophilia and I won't bring it up in other threads but everytime you stop by in the lit thread I am gonna roast you on this forever I also said seems like a gimmick book -- how many people in here have actually read the thing? Is it actually good, or just a pseudoliterary troll? Have you read it? That said y'all really have no conception (unless you follow it actively) of how much weird and bizarre anti-SA fuckery there is out there; multiple SA mods have gotten doxxed for no reason at all beyond "was SA mod", and my boss getting a bunch of 3 AM calls because of my online book of the month club is the last extra thing I need to deal with.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:18
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If you don't trust me by now I'm not sure you deserve to know why I think it would make a good book of the month.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:21
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Franchescanado posted:I haven't read Dandelion Wine, but a few of his other stories and books are "heart-warming" by the end. I really like Dandelion Wine and it does a good job of capturing the wonder of childhood. I wouldn't have picked it as "heart-warming" necessarily, but it does sort of go in that direction. Of the ones there I've read Ella Minnow Pea is the most confusing selection as a heart-warming book.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:25
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Ben Nevis posted:I really like Dandelion Wine and it does a good job of capturing the wonder of childhood. I wouldn't have picked it as "heart-warming" necessarily, but it does sort of go in that direction. The one that came to mind was Something Wicked. It's quite horrific and nightmarish throughout, but I'd say the ending is legitimately heart-warming. Which seems to be enough for that list-maker.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:31
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babyfucker is made BOTM hieronymous gets dethroned by an angry QCS mob for pro-pedo sympathies i become TBB mod blood flows in the streets
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Apr 3, 2018 16:36
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I also said seems like a gimmick book -- how many people in here have actually read the thing? Is it actually good, or just a pseudoliterary troll? Have you read it? If I read it i wouldn't want it to be BotM because who the hell wants a book they already read to be in a book club Hieronymous Alloy posted:That said y'all really have no conception (unless you follow it actively) of how much weird and bizarre anti-SA fuckery there is out there; multiple SA mods have gotten doxxed for no reason at all beyond "was SA mod", and my boss getting a bunch of 3 AM calls because of my online book of the month club is the last extra thing I need to deal with. These are all interesting and valid points but I would like to present my counter-point of "u a bitch"
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Apr 3, 2018 16:56
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That said y'all really have no conception (unless you follow it actively) of how much weird and bizarre anti-SA fuckery there is out there; multiple SA mods have gotten doxxed for no reason at all beyond "was SA mod", and my boss getting a bunch of 3 AM calls because of my online book of the month club is the last extra thing I need to deal with. if you're worried about being doxxed for a thread about a book called babyfucker then why is this thread, which has sat in the forum you moderate for years and has a title that is a joke about having sex with children, still here?
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Apr 4, 2018 03:37
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A human heart posted:if you're worried about being doxxed for a thread about a book called babyfucker then why is this thread, which has sat in the forum you moderate for years and has a title that is a joke about having sex with children, still here? It says "Quit Being a loving Child and Read Some Real Literature," you doofus.
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Apr 4, 2018 04:16
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Sure if you count "parents: eaten by rhinoceri" as heart-warming I thought that was Roald Dahl.
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Apr 4, 2018 05:08
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Is babyfucker really the hill you people wanna die on
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Apr 4, 2018 06:33
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i don't want to read it because i don't want to tell people im reading a book called babyfucker or add it to my goodreads list of books ive read and if no one knows i read a book then what's the point of reading it AMIRIGHT GUYS
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Apr 4, 2018 19:01
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quit being a babyfucker and read babyfucker
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Apr 4, 2018 19:16
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fridge corn posted:quit being a babyfucker and read babyfucker Quit Being a loving Baby and Read Babyfucker
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Apr 4, 2018 19:21
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Alloy you wouldn't let babyfucker be botm because you were afraid it would be seen as condoning pedophilia and I won't bring it up in other threads but everytime you stop by in the lit thread I am gonna roast you on this forever Can you really blame him after Aatrek
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Apr 4, 2018 19:43
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Chamberk posted:Can you really blame him after Aatrek Ah yes, Aatrek, the man who was unfairly accused of pedophilia after posting the title of a book
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Apr 4, 2018 20:26
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Some of y'all getting too mad about Alloy not wanting to do babyfucker. Like, I am just teasing him a little but some of you are turning this into a moral crusade drat
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Apr 4, 2018 20:50
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Some of y'all getting too mad about Alloy not wanting to do babyfucker. Wait but who tho? derp posted:i don't want to read it because i don't want to tell people im reading a book called babyfucker or add it to my goodreads list of books ive read and if no one knows i read a book then what's the point of reading it AMIRIGHT GUYS This is admittedly dumb as hell of me, but I am super anal retentive about this kind of stuff so it does kind of make me feel itchy that I will probably have to have to hole in my goodreads history, because I really don't want to have the same conversation everyone is correctly predicting will happen once I put that I am reading babyfucker But CestMoi has never steered me wrong, he rec'ed The Book of the City of Ladies and also helped me understand some philosophy he rec'ed so by book barn rules I owe him a life debt. I will probably read it after the current crop of stuff I've gotten from the library.
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Apr 4, 2018 21:04
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botm is for making people eat their vegetables / moving the mountain to muhammad, imo. so babyfucker would not be a very useful thing to put as botm because it would not evangelize well. if i were mod i would not want to include it as a nom for that reason alone. but if i were a mod then i would also wish, with keening sincerity, to not be a mod.
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Apr 4, 2018 21:06
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I would wish for three more wishes.
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Apr 4, 2018 21:09
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CestMoi posted:I would wish for three more wishes. oh so this is a "the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the forums of the world" kind of deal
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Apr 4, 2018 21:15
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just put the babyfucker thread in a dust jacket from crime and punishment or harry potter or something
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Apr 4, 2018 23:50
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Helluva sorry to derail from the pedophilia chat, but has anybody in here read The Bone People by Keri Hulme?
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Apr 5, 2018 01:20
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this has been discussed several times already, but any good recs for The Best Tranalation of The Oddyssey and Iliad? verse, not prose. I’ve only read the ones that’s in public domain on Gutenberg and the like.
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Apr 5, 2018 16:40
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as i lay dying was a 'good book,' i wanted more vardaman. i gave up on madame bovary though, sad to say. havent done that since proust. maybe i just don't like french classics? can't win them all
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Apr 5, 2018 17:19
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ulvir posted:this has been discussed several times already, but any good recs for The Best Tranalation of The Oddyssey and Iliad? verse, not prose. As far as I know, the Fitzgerald translations are pretty universally acclaimed, especially for the Odyssey. I don't remember much about the Fagles versions, but they're also supposed to be quite good. More recently, I've read good things about Emily Wilson's Odyssey, but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
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Apr 5, 2018 17:20
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emily wilson's Odyssey is Bad. it is very not good
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Apr 5, 2018 17:35
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Huh. I'd read some raving reviews but I've not seen a single verse from it. What's so bad about it?
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Apr 5, 2018 17:42
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like any text, there's a lot of debate over how certain key words in the Greek ought to be translated. one of the most important (not least because it shows up in the first line) is πολύ-τροπο, polytropos. here's how fagles translates the opening line; i've bolded where he's translating polytropos:Fagles posted:Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns … here's wilson talking about that word in an interview with the NYT: Wilson posted:“One of the things I struggled with,” Wilson continued, sounding more exhilarated than frustrated as she began to unpack “polytropos,” the first description we get of Odysseus, “is of course this whole question of whether he is passive — the ‘much turning’ or ‘much turned’ — right? This was —” and in all of this she is correct. however, this is how she ended up translating the opening line: Wilson posted:Tell me about a complicated man. gently caress off immediately chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Apr 5, 2018 17:49
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Yeah OK I can see how making the Odyssey the theme song from Shaft might not be great
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Apr 5, 2018 17:54
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as per this I see people has translated it as "cunning" and "resourceful" as well. Complicated isn't the worst of them, imo. but they all do seem to kind of remove some of the allure from polytropos
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Apr 5, 2018 19:46
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I mean, meaning or not, "Tell me about a complicated man" is just ugly sounding for a loving translation of the Odyssey
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Apr 5, 2018 20:00
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I'm hollering about this dude, but also about weapons.
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Apr 5, 2018 20:04
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War Nerd Iliad is the best Iliad. I have not read War Nerd Iliad. I'm a Chapman purist.
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Apr 5, 2018 20:05
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The Fagles is also better as it implies the narrator is asking about a specific guy infamous for his crazy journey, not just the generic "tell me a story about someone complicated"
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Apr 5, 2018 20:10
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I don't think she necessarily meant to compete with Fagles, as her approach is very different, and I don't think it's without merit. She has a certain rhythm and flow that's different to Fagles', and quoting just the first line out of context is a bit silly. Probably not a version to use to study the poem, thoughFagles posted:Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns Wilson posted:Tell me about a complicated man. but I don't know any ancient Greek, so I can't say if to a guy in Athens who was listening to a bard singing the Odyssey, the line used was closer to "Sungod blotted out the day of their return" in terms of obscurity of the vocabulary and the roundabout way of saying it, or was it a much more straightforward: "god kept them from home" Burning Rain fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Apr 5, 2018 20:14
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I read it in Greek in school 
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Apr 5, 2018 20:24
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On that Sungod note, for most of classical times it was a sign of literary erudition to refer to gods and heroes by roundabout ways, so for example Apollo might just be called "the archer son of Delos", which the reader would obviously understand, and one of the things translators battle with is whether to retain this (and thus make a huge sacrifice on readability) or just call him Apollo (which obviously drastically changes rhythm)
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Apr 5, 2018 20:28
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I mean, meaning or not, "Tell me about a complicated man" is just ugly sounding for a loving translation of the Odyssey It sounds like she's trying to do what Seamus Heaney did by translating the opening "Hwaet!" of Beowulf as "So" : going for the gruff plain introduction. Problem is she doesn't sound like Seamus Heaney. Her translation doesn't seem incorrect but she doesn't seem to exactly be competing with Chapman for poetical ear either. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It sounds like she's trying to do what Seamus Heaney did by translating the opening "Hwaet!" of Beowulf as "So" : going for the gruff plain introduction. I always translate "Hwaet!" as "Listen up, motherfuckers!"
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