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Stuporstar posted:I always translate "Hwaet!" as "Listen up, motherfuckers!" Shibawanko posted:I always thought hwaet! was like word up Also legit translations I'm sure
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Apr 5, 2018 20:45
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so anyway guess Fagles is a good choice, then?
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Apr 5, 2018 21:34
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I like following Emily Wilson on twitter cos she puts up cool threads about her translation process and she seems to know her poo poo about other translations and their respective shortcomings. Enjoyed Fagles when I read the Odyssey though, and there are good intros to the Penguin editions of Homer Everybody knows the best translation is Ulysses anyway though
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Apr 5, 2018 22:14
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ulvir posted:so anyway guess Fagles is a good choice, then? I mean I like Fitzgerald if only because he also did the Aeneid so you can read all three Trojan Epics in the same voice
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Apr 5, 2018 23:05
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Isn't there a Fagles Aeneid translation?
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Apr 5, 2018 23:39
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There is cause its sitting on my shelf right now. I loving love Homer
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Apr 5, 2018 23:57
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Lattimore's a very nice odyssey imo
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Apr 6, 2018 02:37
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hwaet should be translated as the noise Tim Allen makes in the opening to Home Improvement
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Apr 6, 2018 02:40
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so three safe/good choices then (though IIRC Lattimore never did The Iliad?) I’ll be a lazy twat and go for whoever’s available in stores here in town. e: seems like Lattimore did both, must be Vergil he never translated
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Apr 6, 2018 09:39
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CestMoi posted:hwaet should be translated as the noise Tim Allen makes in the opening to Home Improvement
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Apr 6, 2018 12:34
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CestMoi posted:hwaet should be translated as the noise Tim Allen makes in the opening to Home Improvement
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Apr 6, 2018 13:32
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get a feeling so complicated
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Apr 6, 2018 17:19
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CestMoi posted:hwaet should be translated as the noise Tim Allen makes in the opening to Home Improvement Tree Goat posted:I'm hollering about this dude, but also about weapons.
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Apr 6, 2018 19:16
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I was looking up Danish translations of Bjovulf & came across this: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/listen-beowulf-opening-line-misinterpreted-for-200-years-8921027.html I can't speak to his authority but from a lay-person's reading of the first strophe & word-order, it makes sense that it's more a "How have we not heard ..." style intro than a "Wassup! We've heard ..." Thoughts?
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Apr 6, 2018 20:40
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Krankenstyle posted:I was looking up Danish translations of Bjovulf & came across this: It's interesting, and I certainly don't have the credentials to dispute that guy's reading, but it seems oddly in line with the downplayed "So." of Heaney's translation. It's a guy starting a story: "So. Funny thing happened. . .
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Apr 6, 2018 20:51
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yeah none of scholars i know still read hwaet as an exclamation on its own (like 'Lo!' or 'Listen!') but as part of the sentence that follows. Heaney's 'So' is pretty good, but even then it's probably more dramatic than the original text.
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Apr 6, 2018 21:20
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Maybe "well," would be a good opener
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Apr 6, 2018 22:04
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so i wrote a thing, ...
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Apr 6, 2018 22:15
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Tree Goat posted:so i wrote a thing, ... TRIGGERED
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Apr 6, 2018 23:01
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I wrote a thing... so?!
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Apr 6, 2018 23:17
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Well, the stranger is really great so far. But it's making me worried a bit cause it's totally me re not caring about anything and just floating through life like a soulless automaton
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Apr 7, 2018 02:11
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The Stranger is super fantastic, and terrible. Like a child I knew what was going to happen before it did and it did and it was bad. And after the man was dead, the methodical recounting of all that happens after, and so on. I liked it very much while it made me feel bad.
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Apr 7, 2018 02:22
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Celine is better than Camus.
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Apr 7, 2018 02:27
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Maybe, but Celine was a fascist
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Apr 7, 2018 02:39
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Fascists Write Good
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Apr 7, 2018 02:40
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WatermelonGun posted:Fascists Write Good Been reading mishima and can confirm
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Apr 7, 2018 07:10
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derp posted:Well, the stranger is really great so far. But it's making me worried a bit cause it's totally me re not caring about anything and just floating through life like a soulless automaton its good but i think the plague and the fall are better. the stranger, to me, felt so indebted to crime and punishment that it had a real hard time stepping out of its shadow.
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Apr 7, 2018 10:45
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found the penguin classics of The Iliad with Fagles' translation, at least. I’m considering ordering Lattimore's Odyssey online, so I can sort of compare the two in a way.
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Apr 7, 2018 11:17
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I picked up Svetlana Alexievich's The Unwomanly Face of War yesterday for a stupid price. It's not fiction, but she is a Nobel Laureate for literature. I read an extract of it online (cunningly published to coincide with the new edition release and get people like mt to buy it.) The prose was different and good. I also picked up a Northern Irish lit mag and read it all in a day. And another Kafka book, The Trial. I still have to finish The Castle but I was reading it during a strange time in my life so we'll see how The Trial goes. As my father said of The Castle, when he read it in his twenties it sent him mad. Kafka is like that, I guess.
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Apr 7, 2018 18:27
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Tree Goat posted:I'm hollering about this dude, but also about weapons. Go on.
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Apr 7, 2018 20:34
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the castle has the best ending
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Apr 7, 2018 21:00
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fridge corn posted:the castle has the best ending I was reading it while recovering from a mental health issue that had already shook my thoughts quite a bit. I was seeing my own life mapped out, to a degree, in both K's steadfast following of his purpose and not recognising where he was in his life, and the futility of his circumstance and certainty not being recognised from the other people in the village. It was a little bit destabilising for me at the time, but also there was a lot of benefit for me in finding some mad purpose in the story. I think I stopped reading it because it seemed like Kafka was playing a trick on his readers. That the point and message had been written in the opening few pages, and every situation following his arrival was a repeating of what had already been. I was "winning" by stopping reading having realised the futility of the situation. That K would never learn, grow or better himself. And in essence, by continuing to read you had become a reflection of K's obstinance and failure to comprehend his situation. Then I found out about the great ending when I looked up a synopsis a few weeks later and felt entirely justified. All in all, it was a good, mad trip.
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Apr 7, 2018 22:11
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derp posted:Well, the stranger is really great so far. But it's making me worried a bit cause it's totally me re not caring about anything and just floating through life like a soulless automaton lol
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Apr 8, 2018 15:10
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The Trial is less good than the Castle, because my copy of the Trial has a pull quote from a review that says "a terrifying vision of the horrors of bureaucracy" or some poo poo and it makes me angry thinking about how boring you have to be for that to be what you take from the Trial
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Apr 8, 2018 15:15
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Yeah i hate dumb allegorical readings of Kafka.
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Apr 8, 2018 15:26
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Shibawanko posted:Yeah i hate dumb allegorical readings of Kafka. But drawing a conclusion about Kafka, then being told that you're horribly wrong (and wrongly horrible) is the essence of Kafka. (USER LEAPT FROM A BRIDGE FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 8, 2018 16:03
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CestMoi posted:The Trial is less good than the Castle, because my copy of the Trial has a pull quote from a review that says "a terrifying vision of the horrors of bureaucracy" or some poo poo and it makes me angry thinking about how boring you have to be for that to be what you take from the Trial the elfriede jelinek book i finished the other day was pretty good, but i didn't really think there needed to be a quote on it that literally said 'jelinek gives the reader a lot to think about'
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the face of a man with an achy breaky heart
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