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Half switched outlets are a normal thing
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They meet a lighting requirement for a room without needing a ceiling fixture. Usually it’s the bottom outlet I think, so you can use the top one easier. Lands somewhere between nice and annoying, I like lamp lighting better but don’t like being locked into that location, and it sucks when someone turns it off at the fixture.
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Apr 24, 2018 16:58
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Planet Money did an episode on quick questions and a great one was why do hotels not just have the one central light on a switch like a regular bedroom. I forgot how much they suck and they found two reasons: the central overhead light is harsh from a lighting design perspective and makes the room look bad, and you have to learn the room regardless so any kind of lighting is a challenge to you, compared to your house which also might be bad but you are trained on it.
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Apr 24, 2018 17:08
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StormDrain posted:Planet Money did an episode on quick questions and a great one was why do hotels not just have the one central light on a switch like a regular bedroom. I forgot how much they suck and they found two reasons: the central overhead light is harsh from a lighting design perspective and makes the room look bad, and you have to learn the room regardless so any kind of lighting is a challenge to you, compared to your house which also might be bad but you are trained on it. It's probably also much cheaper and easier to not have any infrastructure in the ceiling as the slab floors get poured in a high rise.
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Apr 24, 2018 18:04
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Qwijib0 posted:It's probably also much cheaper and easier to not have any infrastructure in the ceiling as the slab floors get poured in a high rise. I agree but not for that reason, the ceilings are still framed and dry walled, so it’s just regular roughin. Still less conduit and wire though. The majority of hotels aren’t high rises either.
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Apr 24, 2018 18:20
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You can't have a half switch, a half switch is still a switch!
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Apr 24, 2018 18:28
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I always thought it was to encourage people to use a few lights as possible to save pennies on the electric bill, finding all the switches to turn on every light takes effort. Similarly, if you don't turn on every light it can help hide the stains. I never knew they were doing it to because the room was so we'll planned out it would have perfect lighting that's not too harsh from multiple sources.
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Apr 24, 2018 23:39
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The deck on the south side of my house was sagging so we decided to demo and replace it. I think I figured out why it was sagging:  As far as I can tell, the whole thing was resting on cinder blocks as well. I need to do a little digging, but I don't think there is any poured concrete to be found. The "joist" in the middle wasn't secured to the post at one end, just resting on it. Fortunately, the ledger seems like its in good shape, somehow.
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Apr 24, 2018 23:43
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Crotch Fruit posted:I always thought it was to encourage people to use a few lights as possible to save pennies on the electric bill, finding all the switches to turn on every light takes effort. If the light's inconvenient enough to get to but still necessary to usefully light the room I'm just going to turn it on in the morning and leave it on until I'm going to sleep.
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Apr 25, 2018 14:52
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wolrah posted:The flaw in this logic is that it works the opposite way around too. That's why most hotels (in the UK?) require you to put the door card into a slot to power the lights. Or your spare door card. Or a business card. Or anything really. But you get the point.
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Apr 25, 2018 15:22
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Jaded Burnout posted:That's why most hotels (in the UK?) require you to put the door card into a slot to power the lights. It's very uncommon in the US, but my (small amount of) travel abroad tells me that the whole world does it except for America. I like that solution, because if you are civilized and think to turn off the lights before you leave a room, it makes it pretty tough to walk out the door without your key!
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Apr 25, 2018 16:22
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extravadanza posted:It's very uncommon in the US, but my (small amount of) travel abroad tells me that the whole world does it except for America. I like that solution, because if you are civilized and think to turn off the lights before you leave a room, it makes it pretty tough to walk out the door without your key! Americans don't give a gently caress, have you seen the size of the trucks some people use to just get back and forth to their office job and haul mulch once a year?
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Apr 25, 2018 16:37
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extravadanza posted:It's very uncommon in the US, but my (small amount of) travel abroad tells me that the whole world does it except for America. I like that solution, because if you are civilized and think to turn off the lights before you leave a room, it makes it pretty tough to walk out the door without your key! It's annoying though when this setup applies to all circuits in the room and not just the lights, say if I want to leave something charging while I'm gone.
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Apr 25, 2018 17:56
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Arrath posted:It's annoying though when this setup applies to all circuits in the room and not just the lights, say if I want to leave something charging while I'm gone. Get an extra key-card and leave it in, that's what I do since I don't want the A/C to shut off while I'm wandering around all day and then come back to a hot stuffy room.
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Apr 25, 2018 17:57
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The Locator posted:Get an extra key-card and leave it in, that's what I do since I don't want the A/C to shut off while I'm wandering around all day and then come back to a hot stuffy room. Yeah, this is what I usually resort to. Then half the time the housekeepers pull it out as they leave the room 
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Apr 25, 2018 18:01
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Iron Crowned posted:Americans don't give a gently caress, have you seen the size of the trucks some people use to just get back and forth to their office job and haul mulch once a year? I live in Indiana and work at a factory, so yep. I can plant my small sedan in some trucks shadows during the summer to keep my car cool.
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Apr 25, 2018 19:08
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Since company bonuses came out last month I am seeing a rash of brand new big-rear end trucks at work. Lots of shiny chrome. I call them Fisher Price War Boys.
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Apr 25, 2018 19:21
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Arrath posted:Yeah, this is what I usually resort to. Then half the time the housekeepers pull it out as they leave the room I leave a very specific note on top of the tip for housekeeping that includes not removing the card key so the A/C stays on (and leaving extra towels). I leave a nice tip, so 99% of the time my wishes come true!
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Apr 25, 2018 19:46
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The Locator posted:Get an extra key-card and leave it in, that's what I do since I don't want the A/C to shut off while I'm wandering around all day and then come back to a hot stuffy room. In some devices you can just leave any card you want in it (slip it behind the door card and then pull the door card out over it), in some you can just use any RFID card you like in instead of a room card - so over in the UK that means any bank card, an oyster/transport card or that RFID card that lets you in the door at work or that you accidentally stole from another hotel.
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Apr 25, 2018 20:08
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You know the little card wallet that they give you the room key in? fold that in half and stick it in the slot and it will work.
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Apr 25, 2018 20:27
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Arrath posted:Yeah, this is what I usually resort to. Then half the time the housekeepers pull it out as they leave the room You can actually stick any credit card-sized card in that slot and the lights will work. E,f,b
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Apr 26, 2018 00:27
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drgitlin posted:You can actually stick any credit card-sized card in that slot and the lights will work. In a resort in Thailand the cleaners left a tea spoon in it.
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Apr 26, 2018 03:25
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I'm not exactly some jet setter but I've done quite a bit of travelling and never seen anything like this hotel-card-for-power thing. That sounds really annoying.
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Apr 26, 2018 03:40
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Baronjutter posted:I'm not exactly some jet setter but I've done quite a bit of travelling and never seen anything like this hotel-card-for-power thing. That sounds really annoying. I could deal with it on the lights. Having it on the AC is goddamn obnoxious. Just limit the thermostat, you cheap assoles.
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Apr 26, 2018 03:48
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It's in newer hotels for energy efficiency
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Apr 26, 2018 03:49
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Baronjutter posted:I'm not exactly some jet setter but I've done quite a bit of travelling and never seen anything like this hotel-card-for-power thing. That sounds really annoying. It depends. Back in 2006 I had to go do a info sec security audit at a bank in Italy we were acquiring. Spent about three weeks out there until we’d let them link into our network. When I was in Pandora, I stayed at a Hilton (or Hyatt. One of the “H” international chains) and got what I would consider a Normal Hotel Room + Bonus Bidet. When I had to go down to Rome for a few days to check out a data center, I stayed at what I imagine most Americans would consider a “European Inn”. Tiny, tiny room. Cramped bathroom. The key (yes it used a traditional key) was attached to a metal plate you had to slide into a socket that completed the electrical circuit. Oh, and you had to turn in the key whenever you left and got it when you came back. Still a fantastic place. Especially the late afternoon wine and mozzarella and tomato slices in the common room. (Got a big business culture shock when I was there)
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Apr 26, 2018 05:19
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Iron Crowned posted:Americans don't give a gently caress, have you seen the size of the trucks some people use to just get back and forth to their office job and haul mulch once a year? Yet thousands of those trucks barely keep up with a single container ship burning bunker oil to haul cheap plastic poo poo across the Pacific for yearly pollution.
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Apr 26, 2018 05:50
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The big trucks usually cost less than the small(er) trucks.
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Apr 26, 2018 06:20
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Liquid Communism posted:Yet thousands of those trucks barely keep up with a single container ship burning bunker oil to haul cheap plastic poo poo across the Pacific for yearly pollution. As dirty as those ships are, in terms of CO2/kg/km travelled it’s still actually quite efficient, and global shipping contributes less carbon than road transport or aviation (I looked at those numbers last week.)
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Apr 26, 2018 09:09
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drgitlin posted:As dirty as those ships are, in terms of CO2/kg/km travelled it’s still actually quite efficient, and global shipping contributes less carbon than road transport or aviation (I looked at those numbers last week.) One large ship is worse than literal myriads of trucks in sulphur dioxide emissions. That’s the kernel of truth at the heart of the bullshit statistic.
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Apr 26, 2018 09:23
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Blue Footed Booby posted:I could deal with it on the lights. Having it on the AC is goddamn obnoxious. Just limit the thermostat, you cheap assoles.
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Apr 26, 2018 10:59
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Crotch Fruit posted:I am used to hotels using some sort of occupancy sensor to turn off the AC when you are gone, that sucks because you end up coming back to a hot room. Besides just the annoyance, I have doubts about the effeciency only because (this is really scientific) my Mom told me that turning off the AC in the middle of the day on a house wastes more energy because it takes more energy to cool it back down than to keep it at one temperature throughout the day. I am pretty sure it's more efficient to say raise the temp a fee degrees when you're gone, but not to just turn the thing completely off and let the room get up to 90 degrees. This is fairly true. In addition, it'll put a TON of strain on the HVAC system since people will tend to come back to their rooms at the same time. The idiots who owned my house before me put their electric hot water heater on a switch in the kitchen, presumably to save on power. So stupid.
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Apr 26, 2018 13:40
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Crotch Fruit posted:I am used to hotels using some sort of occupancy sensor to turn off the AC when you are gone, that sucks because you end up coming back to a hot room. Besides just the annoyance, I have doubts about the effeciency only because (this is really scientific) my Mom told me that turning off the AC in the middle of the day on a house wastes more energy because it takes more energy to cool it back down than to keep it at one temperature throughout the day. I am pretty sure it's more efficient to say raise the temp a fee degrees when you're gone, but not to just turn the thing completely off and let the room get up to 90 degrees. Your mom's wrong. It's more efficient to turn it off completely. The bigger the difference between the temperature inside and outside, the more energy loss. Turning it off completely will use less energy and *bonus* cause less strain on your AC unit.
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Apr 26, 2018 13:42
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extravadanza posted:Your mom's wrong. It's more efficient to turn it off completely. The bigger the difference between the temperature inside and outside, the more energy loss. Turning it off completely will use less energy and *bonus* cause less strain on your AC unit. Indeed. Provided there are no other factors like freezing pipes / pets dying, and provided there is enough capacity to run continuously when you need it, the energy used should be way less, whether heating or cooling.
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Apr 26, 2018 13:59
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Proteus Jones posted:a metal plate you had to slide into a socket that completed the electrical circuit That sounds... unsafe, unless it's done in a way better way than I am imagining. 
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Apr 26, 2018 14:27
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wooger posted:Indeed. Provided there are no other factors like freezing pipes / pets dying, and provided there is enough capacity to run continuously when you need it, the energy used should be way less, whether heating or cooling. Heating is where this gets tricky. If you have a heat pump with electric loading coils and turn it down/off and the temperature falls more than 7-10 degrees (depends on thermostat) it will use the electric loading coils ("emergency heat") to get back up to temperature more quickly.
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Apr 26, 2018 15:05
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mycomancy posted:The idiots who owned my house before me put their electric hot water heater on a switch in the kitchen, presumably to save on power. So stupid. Have fun with your legionnaire's disease!
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Apr 26, 2018 16:05
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FogHelmut posted:The big trucks usually cost less than the small(er) trucks. Or at the very least, not significantly more. Both the Chevy Colorado and the Toyota Tacoma, for example, don't cost a lot less than the full-size equivalent. And you can get the V8 in the big 'un.
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Apr 26, 2018 16:22
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Darchangel posted:Or at the very least, not significantly more. Both the Chevy Colorado and the Toyota Tacoma, for example, don't cost a lot less than the full-size equivalent. And you can get the V8 in the big 'un. I have a dream that the reintroduction of the Ford Ranger next year will start a medium truck price war, but lmao no way, they're going to charge just as much as everyone else and nothing will change.
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Goons: "Americans are super wasteful, have you seen the size of their trucks?" Also goons: *leave the a/c running all day while they're out so they won't be mildly uncomfortable for 5 minutes when they get back*
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