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Crowsbeak posted:Can I be one of those people who thinks that UBI would actually hurt workers? And that a universal job guarantee along with a government program promoting worker owned firms would be fare better? No I don't think people should be given busywork like elementary school students in order to be able to live
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Jeb! Repetition posted:No I don't think people should be given busywork like elementary school students in order to be able to live
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comedyblissoption posted:UBI is bad for the following reasons: The issue with this is that some jobs require more education and work than others. Fewer people may want to do a job that takes 8 years of higher education that requires them to work 50+ hours a week if they get paid as much as a high school dropout who works 35 hours per week.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Evil butts Laws probably. But basically, the idea is to take welfare economics to its logical conclusion: government intervention to solve a market failure and increase distributive efficiency (Abba Lerner). You can't solve a market failure through market rationalism. In this sense, the government bypasses market distribution for political distribution and a rational way to do that is to account for social needs per social unit. In other words, a person needs housing, not rent assistance, food instead of food coupons, medical care at the point of need instead of health insurance support. A good way to do that is through material balances planning or input-output planning. You can do that with a dual track system of consumer goods left to the market and social goods left to planning and that way you bypass the market to solve market caused problems. also consider this the failing new york times is a mess Top City Homo has issued a correction as of 18:41 on Apr 27, 2018 |
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Also lol if you think a UBI by itself would cause significant inflation in the current deflationary regime
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Dont do UBI just make housing, food, energy, communications and transport free Simple
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punk rebel ecks posted:The issue with this is that some jobs require more education and work than others. Fewer people may want to do a job that takes 8 years of higher education that requires them to work 50+ hours a week if they get paid as much as a high school dropout who works 35 hours per week. source your quotes
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Lactose Is Wack posted:yes there are people at my job making a million dollars a year working less than 20 hours a week. and those 20 hours are broken up between "meetings" and "lunch" BBJoey posted:oh absolutely. i’d also say that almost everyone in low paid jobs is having more of an impact on peoples’ lives than i am. i am paid a very respectable salary to waste my life shuffling papers for no tangible benefit for any human being. meanwhile the people making society actually function day to day are skirting the poverty line. what i’m saying is capitalism rules oh man wait till you guys find out about the capital-owning class who sit on their rear end all day and get paid for owning a big pile of money
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Lactose Is Wack posted:yes there are people at my job making a million dollars a year working less than 20 hours a week. and those 20 hours are broken up between "meetings" and "lunch" i got u fam 
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this is pretty loving blatant, even for the NYT
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i got u fam I'm the roughly hour per day of actual work in my busy CEO lifestyle
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That poor defenseless fence  edit to be clear: what the gently caress
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i got u fam Capitalism is totally fair guys.
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Main Paineframe posted:source your quotes When jobs that require a lot of training pay less, less people go toward those fields. See: Teachers.
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failing new york times is really interested in the health of that fence but not interested in the genocide committed on a daily basis by US armed and led Saudi forces in Yemen 
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this metaphor makes no sense at all
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Badger of Basra posted:this metaphor makes no sense at all It's easy. Bikini Atoll Islands = celebrities Hydrogen Bombs = SJWs The United States = Jews
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punk rebel ecks posted:When jobs that require a lot of training pay less, less people go toward those fields. See: Teachers. that's because there's other things that use the same training but pay a lot more, not because potential teachers are becoming janitors instead
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/989680803805265920 very sad
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Don't work for a mushbrained fascist: A cautionary tale.
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punk rebel ecks posted:When jobs that require a lot of training pay less, less people go toward those fields. See: Teachers. I think the issue isn't so much that they pay "less," but rather that they don't pay enough to live an enjoyable, low-stress lifestyle. edit: Also teachers currently have to deal with a bunch of unnecessary bullshit, like doing unpaid work preparing lesson plans or having to pay for their own school supplies.
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nopantsjack posted:Dont do UBI just make housing, food, energy, communications and transport free And Steam. Clearly a vital public good at this point. Why does this newspaper even exist at this point? Utterly pointless.
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nopantsjack posted:Dont do UBI just make housing, food, energy, communications and transport free bing bong bing so simple
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Ytlaya posted:I think the issue isn't so much that they pay "less," but rather that they don't pay enough to live an enjoyable, low-stress lifestyle. I'll just say I disagree with the core argument, as I believe that if someone does significantly more work than someone else but doesn't get paid more, that they will become jealous.
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forkboy84 posted:Why does this newspaper even exist at this point? Utterly pointless. it exists because of the evil in the hearts of men
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the FASCIST PROPAGANDA new york times
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This guy and people like him are uniquely situated. They're completely mentally ill and instead of falling into a life of criminality, they were born rich enough to unleash their sociopathy on the rest of us. It's entirely possible if we just jail like ... 500-1000 people like this, a lot of society's problems just solve themselves. How many people have >$100,000,000 in wealth? H.P. Hovercraft posted:i got u fam I'd give them the working alone and the meetings (meetings suck so bad), but lol that 20 hours of miscellaneous that would get any normal wage slave fired if they did that stuff on the clock.
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PostNouveau posted:
that ain't how you spell guillotine
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punk rebel ecks posted:The issue with this is that some jobs require more education and work than others. Fewer people may want to do a job that takes 8 years of higher education that requires them to work 50+ hours a week if they get paid as much as a high school dropout who works 35 hours per week. you could take the money from the richest (who have billions and dont work) and not bother with doctor salaries and have more than enough money
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punk rebel ecks posted:When jobs that require a lot of training pay less, less people go toward those fields. See: Teachers. teaching requires a masters to keep minorities out.
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Real hurthling! posted:you could take the money from the richest (who have billions and dont work) and not bother with doctor salaries and have more than enough money bezos could hire every lawyer in america for an entire year and still be a multibillionaire
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punk rebel ecks posted:The issue with this is that some jobs require more education and work than others. Fewer people may want to do a job that takes 8 years of higher education that requires them to work 50+ hours a week if they get paid as much as a high school dropout who works 35 hours per week. nobody who does a real job would be impacted by wealth redistribution measures anyway you'd be going after actual capitalists Real hurthling! posted:you could take the money from the richest (who have billions and dont work) and not bother with doctor salaries and have more than enough money basically this yeah glad i went back to edit!
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