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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There’s little or nothing evocative of the cops/feds. he drops the axe though
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Dan Didio posted:Grappling with the 'sensibleness' of the scenario or arguing that the movie should spend time considering minutiae that doesn't have any impact on the reality of the family's world is misunderstanding the core themes of the movie. I dunno, I think you kind of touched on the problem with your reasoning: it doesn't have any impact on the reality of the family's world. The core of the movie works fine whether it's months into the apocalypse or days, and whether they're scared of a couple bat-things or a horde. Changing it just removes that little "wait, huh?" feeling a lot of people are getting and, if anything, makes it easier to focus on what the movie actually cares about. 
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Apr 19, 2018 19:57
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Making the monsters so sudden yet rule-based but otherwise completely invisible lends just as well to a story about fibromyalgia.
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Apr 19, 2018 20:00
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Max22 posted:he drops the axe though Right; the metaphor is that dad is split between his human side and his monstrous side. The human side surrenders to the monster. Jim, the human, is characterized throughout as a standup guy - “it’s not dad’s fault; it’s just that his demons are making him do things.” This is how the film, even up to the end, reconciles Jim’s final declaration of love for his family with the whole prior runtime of everyone walking on eggshells around him, living under a vague spectre of violence that culminates in the threat of axe-murder. Put it in the Parker Bros. Cinematic Universe: Don’t Wake Daddy.
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Apr 19, 2018 22:15
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right; the metaphor is that dad is split between his human side and his monstrous side. The human side surrenders to the monster. The movie opens with a monster erupting at the sound of a child's toy, a toy that Daddy took away because it was too loud.
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Apr 20, 2018 01:32
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Unoriginal Name posted:The movie opens with a monster erupting at the sound of a child's toy, a toy that Daddy took away because it was too loud. Exactly: as mentioned earlier, the opening scene is Rachel’s dream in which her memory of the past is coloured by her present conditions. If we were to see the scene ‘objectively’, it would just be a kid at the drugstore pestering his dad for a new toy. But minor events like Jim being annoyed by his loud kid are now, retroactively, loaded with import. Why does the brother in the memory talk of escaping? Of course, in the logic of the dream, he’s talking about ‘demons’. But we know by the end that he’s conspiring with his sister to escape this home.
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Apr 20, 2018 01:54
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This was made with Michael Bay’s money, if there’s a hidden subtext it probably isn’t “the patriarch protecting his good American nuclear family from foreign invaders is secretly evil”
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Apr 20, 2018 04:51
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Max22 posted:This was made with Michael Bay’s money, if there’s a hidden subtext it probably isn’t “the patriarch protecting his good American nuclear family from foreign invaders is secretly evil” No, that's absolutely consistent with Michael Bay's filmography. edit: "Protect my family, or I'll kill you..."
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Apr 20, 2018 04:53
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Max22 posted:This was made with Michael Bay’s money, if there’s a hidden subtext it probably isn’t “the patriarch protecting his good American nuclear family from foreign invaders is secretly evil” That’s a very obvious misreading of both the film and these posts. The father is not ‘secretly evil’ but merely bad in a banal way. And there is no invasion in the film. The creatures don’t come from anywhere; they simply are there. They have no motivation. They‘ve allegedly spent nearly two years leaping through cornfields nonstop. They don’t eat, don’t reproduce, and can’t die. They never evolved. This is not a science fiction movie. It’s a fantasy movie. And the question with any fantasy movie is whose fantasy we’re talking about.
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They came from Mexico.
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Apr 20, 2018 11:41
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The issue is that the film does not establish the actually-important rules, like that the hypersensitivity of the angels is ‘just’ a metaphor for the father’s rage issues - e.g. the jump-scare when he forcibly grabs the daughter when she tries to tiptoe into his man-cave. Why is she forbidden to enter? The only explanation is that he cherishes his computers more than anything else; they provide him an escape and without them he would just give up. The list of crossed-off radio frequencies is a countdown to when he loses it completely. There's definite shades of Jack Torrance in Krasinski's role.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The issue is that the film does not establish the actually-important rules, like that the hypersensitivity of the angels is ‘just’ a metaphor for the father’s rage issues - e.g. the jump-scare when he forcibly grabs the daughter when she tries to tiptoe into his man-cave. Why is she forbidden to enter? The only explanation is that he cherishes his computers more than anything else; they provide him an escape and without them he would just give up. The list of crossed-off radio frequencies is a countdown to when he loses it completely. this is the good poo poo.
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Apr 21, 2018 20:43
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I was pretty surprised by how dull and generic this was. Despite the good premise, nothing surprising or unpredictable happened in the film, the creature design was dull, and it was overlit and not at all scary. Continually throughout, all I could think about was how much better It Comes at Night was.
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Apr 22, 2018 12:32
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Kin posted:Well, loud sounds are still a weakness in that they can't detect anything quieter like, say people in an upstairs flat behind double glazed windows while there's a load of cars and music blaring about outside. or just make it a localized issue (like tremors). that was my assumption from the trailers - that some town/area in a more remote area like vermont or something had been overrun with these things and they can't get any info out because they can't make noise. any military would've wiped the floor with these things.
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Apr 22, 2018 13:21
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There’s little or nothing evocative of the cops/feds. Nobody mentioned the cops. This sort of family doesn't find a quiet place away from the city because they're afraid of the police.
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Apr 22, 2018 16:59
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I thought this movie got a little frustrating when it turned into a "What minor mechanical malfunction will lead into the next tense sequence!!" conga line near the end. First the nail, okay. Then...somehow water starts pouring into the basement from somewhere (seriously, where was it coming from, and why? I didn't grock this at all) which floods it. Then a kid falls through a corn silo because the roof just loving breaks. At this point I was waiting for the house to flat-out explode into a mushroom cloud because someone grazed something wrong with an elbow! If your entire property was this gigantic minefield of booby traps just waiting to gently caress you up in a thousand different ways, it's a wonder that the family was able to survive for as long as they did! But um anyway I did enjoy the film a lot. Super glad that kid died at the beginning!
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Apr 23, 2018 02:04
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This was a better Venom movie than Venom will probably be.
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Apr 23, 2018 02:12
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If I was as clever with mechanical set-ups as the father was, I would leave dozens upon dozens of timed devices that squeeze those screaming chicken toys, all around town. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNm62h9Dlg Monster confused by screaming chicken? BAM, hit 'em with another screaming chicken.
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Apr 25, 2018 00:39
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BrianWilly posted:(seriously, where was it coming from, and why? I didn't grock this at all) Monster smashed up the house and broke the sink pipes.
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Apr 25, 2018 01:16
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I just saw this tonight with a bunch of friends and we all really enjoyed it. We're all big nerds so we had our own quibbles but at the end of the day we agreed it was still worth it. My biggest issue also had to do with the timeline given: how the gently caress did these people survive winter?
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Aces High posted:I just saw this tonight with a bunch of friends and we all really enjoyed it. We're all big nerds so we had our own quibbles but at the end of the day we agreed it was still worth it. Winter as we know it will cease to exist by 2021
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Apr 27, 2018 06:53
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Wouldn't corn be one of the noisiest things you could possibly harvest?
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like a cigarette should posted:Wouldn't corn be one of the noisiest things you could possibly harvest? I'm trying to think of what you could plant, grow and harvest in near silence.
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Apr 27, 2018 16:21
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'm trying to think of what you could plant, grow and harvest in near silence. Anything if you wanna grow one plant. At scale to feed a family? Nothin
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Apr 27, 2018 16:26
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Even an apple falling off a tree and hitting the ground is loud enough to scare the poo poo out of someone who isn't used to it.
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Apr 27, 2018 16:27
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Even an apple falling off a tree and hitting the ground is loud enough to scare the poo poo out of someone who isn't used to it. This is important to stress that the film does not depict 500 days of apocalypse; the entire thing takes place over the course of the two days following a dream. So the answer to the question of how they silently harvested food is that they didn’t. It shows that the film isn’t conducive to being read as science fiction; it’s easy to imagine a true science-fiction film about noise pollution - fictionalized, in an inverted sort of way, as a silence pollution. Why not creatures that block or cancel out sound waves, generating a literal aura of silence?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:This is important to stress that the film does not depict 500 days of apocalypse; the entire thing takes place over the course of the two days following a dream. So the answer to the question of how they silently harvested food is that they didn’t. You've infected my brain, I watched this movie and thought "smg is gonna write about how this isn't a sci fi movie". and gosh darn it, you're right
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Apr 28, 2018 02:15
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They probably pull an Andy Dufresne and wait until a thunderstorm to harvest their corn.
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Apr 28, 2018 09:44
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Honestly they should have forgotten about the whole tired, contrived 'ill-timed baby delivery' plotline, and just made it about the world's MOST TENSE corn harvesting session ever.
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God Hole posted:They probably pull an Andy Dufresne and wait until a thunderstorm to harvest their corn. Bold move, Cotton.
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Apr 28, 2018 16:22
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LloydDobler posted:But for them to conceive in the post alien timeline is such a terrible idea that I have to suspend disbelief for the story to work. lol this dude cannot imagine a single reason why someone would want to bone down with emily blunt, aliens or otherwise
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TheKevman posted:1-The pregnancy thing was downright absurd and I know that's been discussed but COME ON. This would have been WAY more effective had she maybe just gotten pregnant before the invasion, and they changed the days accordingly. Have it be day 50 when the kid gets eaten and she's already starting to show or something. At least that way it'd be justifiable and not really by choice. In the other case, it's just completely wreckless and caused us to resent them as parents since they already have two young kids they're trying to shepherd through this. While the birthing scene was definitely suspenseful, and was by far the scene that I was most invested in, the whole time we found ourselves resenting the parents for putting the mom in that situation. this guy too
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Anyways, when I saw it in the theatre, after Emily Blunt explodes the alien's head, a teenage girl in the audience went "EW EW EW EW EWWWWWW!!!!" which made me laugh really hard.
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Apr 29, 2018 03:05
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Movie needs a sign language birds-and-the-bees talk where Jim explains that birth control isn't foolproof.
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Apr 29, 2018 03:07
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Imagine there's a parallel universe where A Quite Place doesn't exist because the earliest humans decide that they shouldn't have children because a sabertooth might eat them.
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like a cigarette should posted:Wouldn't corn be one of the noisiest things you could possibly harvest? I guess you could just do it slowly or something. As long as the aliens weren't right near you there are probably a bunch of other things in the woods that would distract them. Also I enjoyed the movie, it was a good high concept horror movie. My only issues are that the monsters just didn't seem all that apocalypse-worthy. If humanity got the news about their sensitive hearing early enough to print and distribute newspapers about them, surely some military groups would think to try using sounds to overwhelm them. I mean the sound that took them down was capable of being played on ordinary speakers, you could save entire cities just by rigging up a few concert speakers on trucks. They were cool monsters but I don't really think they would be capable of decimating humanity. Still, I'm a sucker for alien apocalypse stuff so I liked the movie a lot. I'd love to see the newspaper articles they wrote for the movie, I love details like that.
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I think the monsters would destroy any stationary speaker making noise like the lab equipment
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May 6, 2018 18:56
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We also have no idea how many were part of the invasion. Possibly enough landed in urban areas to overpower any kind of organized response. With the minimal background info and limited area covered in the movie, any kind of speculation or attempts to apply tactical realism is fruitless.
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Tumble posted:My only issues are that the monsters just didn't seem all that apocalypse-worthy. If humanity got the news about their sensitive hearing early enough to print and distribute newspapers about them, surely some military groups would think to try using sounds to overwhelm them. I mean the sound that took them down was capable of being played on ordinary speakers, you could save entire cities just by rigging up a few concert speakers on trucks. i assumed it was a localized event by the trailers (like tremors) because those things would've been wiped out quickly by any military.
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