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butros posted:Usually the way it goes is when the round starts, one partner will stand up to start passing and the other will respond by laying back to playing guard. Most guys follow a rule of thumb my professor has that if his opponent doesn't start to try to pass within three seconds, he will. So you rarely see stalemating/patty-cake on the knees. This post is where its at. My old gyms almost never did situational sparring. But those few times I did do I still remember the lessons like 10 years later. And yeah midget wrestling sucks. I consider it a bit rude to stand up right away, but once engagement has been made its fair game imo. BJJ should focus on more standup generally as an art, its a big downside.
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Positional sparring rules. My gym usually does ~30 minutes of it after drilling, starting in whatever position the move(s) of the day were from. It's good for getting a feel for novel positions even if your entries for it suck, and when the hell else are you going to experience the fleeting joy of having an upper belt in mount or back mount?
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May 31, 2018 19:31
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We were doing drills from x guard on Monday and that's a dope position to work from
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May 31, 2018 19:54
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Defenestrategy posted:On the subject of standing up immediately, is it "bad form" in ya'lls opinion to just technical stand up against people who refuse to engage your guard and just attempt to agility pass when generally one person starts open guard and the other starts standing/combat base? That's what you should do. They want to play the stand-up game without any of the stand-up consequences. Besides the fact that one of the most basic principles of top control is "don't let your opponent stand up."
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May 31, 2018 21:03
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JaySB posted:Slow the pace of your rolls, ask your partner to work on a position with you and teach you something vs just rolling. Yeah I guess I just need to get used to it if I'm going to get better. I would prefer to drill all day I think though.
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May 31, 2018 22:45
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Anyway, anyone watching Worlds?
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spb posted:Anyway, anyone watching Worlds? Saw some blue belt highlights. I'll probably watch the blackbelts this weekend.
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spb posted:Anyway, anyone watching Worlds? I forgot I subbed to Flo for a month to watch some teammates complete a few weeks ago and luckily my sub is still good till next weekend. My gym has 4 people competing. 2 female Black black belts and 2 purples
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May 31, 2018 23:15
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I had three straight rounds today against guys who like to work diaphragm chokes and god I feel like death now hahaha
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Jun 1, 2018 01:25
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Any recommendations for hard plastic ear protectors? Venum soft one just doesn't cut it.
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It’ll probably get buried because Danaher is releasing stuff right now but the new Lachlan Giles DVD on guillotines/darces/north south chokes/etc is really good. You can tell that he’s watched a lot of DVDs because everything is really concise and well-structured with rewatchability in mind.
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Mursupitsku posted:Any recommendations for hard plastic ear protectors? Venum soft one just doesn't cut it. cliff keen signatures. take it from someone with insanely hosed up ears
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I had three straight rounds today against guys who like to work diaphragm chokes and god I feel like death now hahaha wtf is a diaphragm choke? Knee on belly?
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Jun 1, 2018 13:50
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2s0VxxSNu-g
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Jun 1, 2018 13:58
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Count Roland posted:wtf is a diaphragm choke? Knee on belly? It was this weird knee on belly plus pulling up on my back collar deal. I am not sure what its official name was but it looked and felt different from a traditional knee on belly
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Jun 1, 2018 13:59
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wait til you start training foot chokes, it'll make the diaphragm chokes feel like arm chokes
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Count Roland posted:wtf is a diaphragm choke? Knee on belly? A subset of submissions that rely on compressing the diaphragm. You cant breathe if you cant expand your chest. For more see josh barnett submit dean lister with the fat man choke.
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Jun 1, 2018 14:11
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Defenestrategy posted:A subset of submissions that rely on compressing the diaphragm. You cant breathe if you cant expand your chest. For more see josh barnett submit dean lister with the fat man choke. one of my favorite youtube videos of all time is this (honestly pretty good) breakdown of the barnett/lister scrap. it has this incredibly cheesy 'epic movie trailer' music going on in the background as barnett lays on lister fatly in a speedo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X5N_7LCVtM
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Defenestrategy posted:A subset of submissions that rely on compressing the diaphragm. You cant breathe if you cant expand your chest. For more see josh barnett submit dean lister with the fat man choke. Yeah, it felt exactly like getting choked just without any compression on my throat
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Jun 1, 2018 14:21
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I've got one of those from s mount. It's very interesting to see the reaction go from "this is uncomfortable" to "holy gently caress I can't breathe, I have to tap to this bullshit"
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Drewjitsu posted:I've got one of those from s mount. It's very interesting to see the reaction go from "this is uncomfortable" to "holy gently caress I can't breathe, I have to tap to this bullshit" It took me awhile to tap because I was trying to figure out how I was getting choked when he wasn't even touching my neck. Like my body was going "tap you idiot" and my mind was going "hold on something ain't right here"
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Drewjitsu posted:I've got one of those from s mount. It's very interesting to see the reaction go from "this is uncomfortable" to "holy gently caress I can't breathe, I have to tap to this bullshit" Yeah I've got kinda half one. I can tap white belts only with it though, and after I tell them to not tap to pressure. I basically just do s-mount but kinda angle my hip/butt to sit right in the middle of their chest, usually pulling on the back of their head. How do you do yours? This is not really related, but when I was a white a big purple who taught the class would submit me by opening his gi, pushing his bare chest into my face then closing the gi around my head. From mount of course, and he had a heavy mount.
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Count Roland posted:pushing his bare chest into my face then closing the gi around my head. From mount of course, and he had a heavy mount. Eric Paulson calls this "Mothers Milk", if a Rash Guard is involved "Sour Milk"
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Are you guys talking about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s0VxxSNu-g An upper belt in my gym does it a lot and I had him teach me it and now I catch a decent amount of people with it, it's hilarious. He's stocky so I thought it might be a big man power move but you can get it on anyone around your weight or lower.
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Count Roland posted:Yeah I've got kinda half one. I can tap white belts only with it though, and after I tell them to not tap to pressure. Yep! Although I put a leg under their head and grab it (making sort of a lovely triangle) to pull on the back of their head. It's great!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NegGhNer3bY&t=194s I like the variation with the leg grab. I get this all the time.
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I was playing around with arm bar escapes last night and forgot about the wristlock and my partner was so eager to get a tap I'm 99% sure he broke something in my wrist.
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from experience wrist locks exist in exactly two states: not used at all or applied with so much force your whole poo poo starts crunching under the pressure
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Wangsbig posted:from experience wrist locks exist in exactly two states: not used at all or applied with so much force your whole poo poo starts crunching under the pressure That's the problem with wristlocks, they don't work (90+% of the time), until they do work (which results in an injury)!
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I got wristlocked in my first roll on my second day training ever and it was months before it stopped hurting.
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Wangsbig posted:from experience wrist locks exist in exactly two states: not used at all or applied with so much force your whole poo poo starts crunching under the pressure I only use them, because I am super lazy after catching an omoplata to finish.
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JaySB posted:I was playing around with arm bar escapes last night and forgot about the wristlock and my partner was so eager to get a tap I'm 99% sure he broke something in my wrist. Also re diaphragm chokes, I have a positional asphyxia choke in my arsenal. There is no direct pressure on neck or mouth or even belly. The position forces the person into a compressed cradle where they can no longer expand their chest to breathe. It just feels uncomfortable at first until they realize they can't inhale. It's been years and years since I learned or used it.
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Yuns posted:drat that sucks. Are you getting an xray or MRI on it? Are you just using a wrestlers cradle combined with body weight position, or what?
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Defenestrategy posted:Are you just using a wrestlers cradle combined with body weight position, or what?
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Drewjitsu posted:Yep! Although I put a leg under their head and grab it (making sort of a lovely triangle) to pull on the back of their head. Kinda like this?  I'm struggling to remember the details of mine, its been too long. I'd need a dummy to figure it out, but I think my foot is usually under the shoulder instead of under the head.
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Count Roland posted:Kinda like this? Yesssssss, exactly like that. Edit: or maybe the triangle goes the other way.
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Fanatics posted the first look at the Danaher reshoots, they look and sound much better https://youtu.be/vJj_mQ4XC9U
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People are weird about wristlocks, both giving and receiving. I suspect their reputation of being "dirty" or "prison rules" moves leads to a filter on the sort of person who hunts for them. They're also way more likely to provoke a non-standard verbal tap like "owowow" or just "ok" for some reason, even when applied slowly and deliberately.
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TheTofuShop posted:Fanatics posted the first look at the Danaher reshoots, they look and sound much better A very very powerful finish indeed.
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Yuns posted:drat that sucks. Are you getting an xray or MRI on it? I'm probably going to do the dumb thing and just ignore it and hope it heals on it's own and pretend I won't have long term complications in the future.
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