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berzerkmonkey: Jul 23, 2003

Schadenboner posted:

E: Also, why do I smell toast?

Your crippling alcoholism caused a blackout while you were driving drunk and you crashed into a Denny's during the breakfast rush. Monster.

# ? Jun 8, 2018 20:09

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 22:26

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

berzerkmonkey posted:

Your crippling alcoholism caused a blackout while you were driving drunk and you crashed into a Denny's during the breakfast rush. Monster.

NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL A GRAND SLAM BREAKFAST!

# ? Jun 8, 2018 20:11

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Schadenboner posted:

NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL A GRAND SLAM BREAKFAST!

# ? Jun 8, 2018 20:25

The Iron Rose: May 12, 2012; Cat Army

So I'm about half way through Lorgar: Bearer of the Word and I have to say it's actually excellent so far. It's very engaging, despite the fact that there's actually not a lot of action. Bolter Porn this is not, but it's a good book regardless.

# ? Jun 10, 2018 22:32

Hungry: Jul 14, 2006

MMAgCh posted:

That's perfectly in line with what he ends up doing in Pariah, though.

It's been more than a few years since I read that but didn't he jump down some stairs and kill a Chaos Space Marine by landing on it?

Pariah was so weird but also really unique, always thought it's a shame it's never gonna get continued.

# ? Jun 10, 2018 22:45

MMAgCh: Aug 15, 2001; I am the poet,
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Hungry posted:

It's been more than a few years since I read that but didn't he jump down some stairs and kill a Chaos Space Marine by landing on it?

Pariah was so weird but also really unique, always thought it's a shame it's never gonna get continued.

He first deflects a couple of bolter rounds with his sword, then uses Power Word: Command to briefly stun the Traitor Marine and leaps at him, cleaving his head in two. Helmet and all.

And actually I think Abnett said in the none too distant past that Penitent remains on his to-do list. Never give up hope!

# ? Jun 10, 2018 23:23

Groetgaffel: Oct 30, 2011; Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

MMAgCh posted:

And actually I think Abnett said in the none too distant past that Penitent remains on his to-do list. Never give up hope!

He confirms that both Penitent and Pandaemonium are locked in into his writing schedule in the foreword to The Magos.

# ? Jun 10, 2018 23:29

Khizan: Jul 30, 2013

Randalor posted:

A combination of his heavier reliance on his psychic powers and him having spent more time forging a bond with the psychic-sensitive sword?

I've always put it down to this, yeah. Radical/heretical Eisenhorn isn't blocking bolter rounds because of his amazing swordsmanship, he's blocking them because he's a Psyker Jedi.

# ? Jun 10, 2018 23:30

Zasze: Apr 29, 2009

Just finished wolfsbane that was a pretty well written book with a terrible dumb and stupid story line though jesus. Russ was characterized in a really great way this book its just ultimately the plot itself felt contrived and dumb.

wolfsbane spoilers

I was hoping cawl would get less mary sue best at everything by realizing he and the dark mechanicum had a similar arrogance and way of thinking that they knew best and it was going to come down to the fact he wanted to break the laws for good rather than power but no he can hack a several hundred year old veteran of the great crusade with something he cobbled together off screen at random because he can do anything.

# ? Jun 11, 2018 01:54

Shockeh: Feb 24, 2009; Now be a dear and
fuck the fuck off.

Khizan posted:

I've always put it down to this, yeah. Radical/heretical Eisenhorn isn't blocking bolter rounds because of his amazing swordsmanship, he's blocking them because he's a Psyker Jedi.

Radical Psyker ~~Possibly~~ Heretic Jedi

# ? Jun 11, 2018 03:53

Hungry: Jul 14, 2006

Groetgaffel posted:

He confirms that both Penitent and Pandaemonium are locked in into his writing schedule in the foreword to The Magos.

Huh. Well! Hope is renewed.

# ? Jun 11, 2018 08:52

rocket_Magnet: Apr 5, 2005

Schadenboner posted:

So at what point does Ravenor go from "Grimdark Professor Xavier" to "Literally just a floating coffin-tank"?

Because I'm re-reading Eisenhorn and he's in Xavier-mode at the end of Hereticus but IIRC he's in floating coffin-tank mode throughout his series?

Ravenor is turned into a melted ball of flesh by the tracian atrocity when fiery plane wreckage lands on him so he needs the support chair to survive. From the description it's a test tube on wheels at that point, when we see ravenor again when eisenhorn warns him about slyte ravenor is an Inquisitor is his own right and has upgraded the testing on wheels to testube with an anti grav plate and psycannons.

As for Eisenhorn he describes himself as a gamma? Class psyker, but in magos or pariah I forget he's referred to as an alpha plus psyker. Him going from Inquisitor with nasty psyker powers to psker wizard who can own a word bearer I put down to the fact that he's had the malus codicum and cherubael for like 200 years by the time of pariah.

# ? Jun 11, 2018 14:54

Preechr: May 19, 2009; Proud member of the Pony-Brony Alliance for Obama as President

Eisenhorn casually cuts a chaos dreadnought in half. It�s an interesting contrast to how much trouble he had fighting one CSM earlier in the series.

# ? Jun 11, 2018 16:17

Ardent Communist: Oct 17, 2010; ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

That's why Chaos is so alluring. It can actually make you superhuman, able to deflect bullets or kill people with a word. The really interesting things are the parallels between Eisenhorn and Quixos.

I do like that the Emperor is such a powerful psyker that he can impart some of those type of effects on people, which is how people become living saints and such.

# ? Jun 11, 2018 18:22

HerpicleOmnicron5: May 31, 2013; How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?

Ardent Communist posted:

That's why Chaos is so alluring. It can actually make you superhuman, able to deflect bullets or kill people with a word. The really interesting things are the parallels between Eisenhorn and Quixos.

I do like that the Emperor is such a powerful psyker that he can impart some of those type of effects on people, which is how people become living saints and such.

Shards of the Emperor's psyche can do that. That's underselling it considerably.

# ? Jun 11, 2018 18:32

Sephyr: Aug 28, 2012

Ardent Communist posted:

That's why Chaos is so alluring. It can actually make you superhuman, able to deflect bullets or kill people with a word. The really interesting things are the parallels between Eisenhorn and Quixos.

I do like that the Emperor is such a powerful psyker that he can impart some of those type of effects on people, which is how people become living saints and such.

Ehhh. I think I've kinda reached my limit of how much "See, this character is indulging in dark/forbidden practices, but he's just SO pure and strong-willed he gets to just use it to own the other dark things (who should actually be better with the evil powers because they don't play footsie with it but guess not)while never falling himself!" I can take.

I like some of the style and prose in Eisenhorn and Ravenor, but the plot itself started out meh and went downhill from there.

# ? Jun 11, 2018 20:39

Fellblade: Apr 28, 2009

The whole point of Eisenhorn is that he is totally fallen and no better than the bad guy he starts the first book killing for being that way.

# ? Jun 11, 2018 21:09

Zasze: Apr 29, 2009

Sephyr posted:

Ehhh. I think I've kinda reached my limit of how much "See, this character is indulging in dark/forbidden practices, but he's just SO pure and strong-willed he gets to just use it to own the other dark things (who should actually be better with the evil powers because they don't play footsie with it but guess not)while never falling himself!" I can take.

I like some of the style and prose in Eisenhorn and Ravenor, but the plot itself started out meh and went downhill from there.

This is why i really liked pariah and the bits of magos that were not from Eisenhorn's perspective because when hes talking to you and telling you his story your like yeah Eisenhorn is all right he will get his poo poo sorted out and go back to being a hero.

Then you get these other characters perspectives on him and your like uhhhhhh buddy you might be pretty far gone actually, its more he has an iron will for a nominally good objective rather than any kind of purity. The poster who compared him to Quixos was spot on and ultimately Eisenhorn has already gone down the same path his corruption is just internal rather than external like Quixos. Least thats my take on it you are supposed to root for him but not exactly agree with him.

Fellblade posted:

The whole point of Eisenhorn is that he is totally fallen and no better than the bad guy he starts the first book killing for being that way.

This is kinda interesting now that cadia has fallen since Quixos was trying to create more pylons if i remember right.

Zasze fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jun 11, 2018

# ? Jun 11, 2018 21:12

Z the IVth: Jan 28, 2009; The trouble with your "expendable machines"; Fun Shoe

Zasze posted:

This is kinda interesting now that cadia has fallen since Quixos was trying to create more pylons if i remember right.

He was trying to supercharge a facsimile pylon with psykers. He would probably have gotten a Blackstone Fortress warp cannon out of it rather than warp dampening pylon.

# ? Jun 11, 2018 22:16

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Fellblade posted:

The whole point of Eisenhorn is that he is totally fallen and no better than the bad guy he starts the first book killing for being that way.

Heck, the first book even flat out has him telling you that all Inquisitors start puritan and slowly make compromises to deal with "just this one crisis" until eventually they get put down by some other young puritan making his own first compromise to do it. The only difference between one Inquisitor and another is if they manage to go bad before something else kills them or not.

# ? Jun 12, 2018 21:51

Immanentized: Mar 17, 2009

Speaking of inquisitors, any one try out the new game?

# ? Jun 13, 2018 00:07

Mechafunkzilla: Sep 11, 2006; If you want a vision of the future...

Immanentized posted:

Speaking of inquisitors, any one try out the new game?

Yeah, the core game is fun but it's like playing an alpha. Game badly needed another 6 months in the oven.

# ? Jun 13, 2018 00:20

Immanentized: Mar 17, 2009

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Yeah, the core game is fun but it's like playing an alpha. Game badly needed another 6 months in the oven.

Thanks, I'll hold off till a sale then. Shame

# ? Jun 13, 2018 00:30

mllaneza: Apr 28, 2007; Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

I just finished Wolfsbane. If you're a fan of Leman Russ, Bjorn, and the Vlka Fenrika; quirky Mechanicum characters; or first rate bolter porn, you'll like this book. Russ is a very strong character in this book, Sanguinius has a very interesting bit part, and Dorn is Dorn. We get a good portion of Malodor as well. I'd like to sit in on an actual, useful briefing he gives an agent; or for him to ever actually, properly brief someone.

# ? Jun 14, 2018 06:49

Randalor: Sep 4, 2011

Is there a way to tell if a 40k novel is pre- or post-13th Black Crusade? Or has there been many novels set during or after the 13th Black Crusade yet?

# ? Jun 14, 2018 12:21

Waroduce: Aug 5, 2008

Watchers of the Throne and Emperor's Legion were dope but apart from that idk

# ? Jun 14, 2018 13:27

Immanentized: Mar 17, 2009

Randalor posted:

Is there a way to tell if a 40k novel is pre- or post-13th Black Crusade? Or has there been many novels set during or after the 13th Black Crusade yet?

Is everyone freaking out about a Circatrix Maledictum? Are your space marines charismatic as brick posts?
It's post.

Is Cadia still a planet, and the space marines have individual personalities? It's pre.

Cadia stands is set during the Fall of Cadia, but isn't all that great.

# ? Jun 14, 2018 13:27

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

So my assumption (given the Eisenhorn books and the Gothic War series which is p. deece and certainly underrated) is that the Macharius Crusade was actually in M40 not M41 and it's the ~~Children~~ Codex Writers who are wrong.

I don't know how to skulgun away Abnett's mentions of Tyranids though.

# ? Jun 14, 2018 13:37

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Inquisitors knew via webway time travel consorting with the Eldar or general warp fuckery. Just took them a lot of time to actually make it known.

# ? Jun 14, 2018 14:14

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Arquinsiel posted:

Inquisitors knew via webway time travel consorting with the Eldar or general warp fuckery. Just took them a lot of time to actually make it known.

#EisenhornDidTyran

# ? Jun 14, 2018 14:28

Shroud: May 11, 2009

Schadenboner posted:

#EisenhornDidTyran

#WarpFuelCan'tMeltCadianPylons

# ? Jun 14, 2018 15:45

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Shroud posted:

#WarpFuelCan'tMeltCadianPylons

#ITTURNSOUTLIGHTNINGFUELCANMELTINQUISITORFLESHTHOUGHAAAAAAAAA

# ? Jun 14, 2018 15:51

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Corrode from the 40k thread made a discord and there's a BL thread (In Case): https://discord.gg/wNyuEC

# ? Jun 14, 2018 16:21

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Schadenboner posted:

#ITTURNSOUTLIGHTNINGFUELCANMELTINQUISITORFLESHTHOUGHAAAAAAAAA

Interrogator :eng101:

# ? Jun 15, 2018 03:54

^burtle: Jul 17, 2001; God of Boomin'

OP got me to scoop up the Eisenhorn omnibus but it really isn't scratching the itch for me. I was hoping for something more grizzled marines taking on insane hordes of alien armies ala Starship Troopers. Is there anything in that lane I can chase down? Not to disparage Eisenhorn, I'm not minding it after 8 chapters I'm just not in the mood for a human vs human thriller.

# ? Jun 15, 2018 17:41

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

You want Helsreach.

# ? Jun 15, 2018 17:46

WorldIndustries: Dec 21, 2004

^burtle posted:

OP got me to scoop up the Eisenhorn omnibus but it really isn't scratching the itch for me. I was hoping for something more grizzled marines taking on insane hordes of alien armies ala Starship Troopers. Is there anything in that lane I can chase down? Not to disparage Eisenhorn, I'm not minding it after 8 chapters I'm just not in the mood for a human vs human thriller.

I got insanely into Know No Fear a little while back. It's marines vs chaos marines instead of aliens, but its 30k era and the some of the chaos characters are closer to protagonists than supervillains.

# ? Jun 15, 2018 18:04

The Rat: Aug 29, 2004; You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

Arquinsiel posted:

You want Helsreach.

This, absolutely this. The audiobook is also fantastic, as is the current YouTube video series.

# ? Jun 15, 2018 18:34

Zasze: Apr 29, 2009

^burtle posted:

OP got me to scoop up the Eisenhorn omnibus but it really isn't scratching the itch for me. I was hoping for something more grizzled marines taking on insane hordes of alien armies ala Starship Troopers. Is there anything in that lane I can chase down? Not to disparage Eisenhorn, I'm not minding it after 8 chapters I'm just not in the mood for a human vs human thriller.

Helsreach or the Night lords omnibus are probably solid choices based on what your asking for. :siren:

Warning reading the night lords trilogy will make you a heretic probably :siren:

# ? Jun 15, 2018 19:23

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 22:26

^burtle: Jul 17, 2001; God of Boomin'

I'll scope out Helsreach and see how it goes. Thanks all!

# ? Jun 15, 2018 19:28

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