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Lumbermouth posted:The dolphin is addicted to heroin. help I can’t tell if y’all are loving with me or not. Fart City posted:And served in the Navy.  
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X-Ray Pecs posted:help I can’t tell if y’all are loving with me or not. They are not. The dolphin belongs to a group lead by Ice-T who fight the Yakuza with crossbows. Johnny Mnemonic is a film full of wild poo poo that somehow isn't very fun.
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Fart City posted:True, but I still think it’s a stretch to say that the film version of Johnny Mnemonic doesn’t qualify as cyberpunk. It meets all of the hallmarks is the genre. Really the only difference from its genre contemporaries is that all of the 80’s cyberpunk aesthetics are filtered through a mid-nineties lens.
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Halloween Jack posted:And for contrast, consider how John Carpenter's films in the 90s looked like cheesy ripoffs of himself. Most of them were literally low budget. Prince of Darkness is a movie about universal apocalypse made for a budget of whatever was buried in Carpenter's couch cushions for instance. E: that was late 80s but still.
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sean10mm posted:Most of them were literally low budget. Prince of Darkness is a movie about universal apocalypse made for a budget of whatever was buried in Carpenter's couch cushions for instance. Prince of Darkness is excellent, it's second tier Carpenter right below Halloween, The Fog and The Thing. The only Carpenter film where the budget crippled the final product is Ghosts of Mars. He wanted a full-on Rio Bravo in space movie with elaborate production design and the whole nine yards, he ended up having to severely limit the scope when the studio slashed the budget.
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I still think Ghosts of Mars is pretty fun, but it’s frustratingly close to being great. You can clearly see where a couple tweaks could have made it a lot better.
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sean10mm posted:Most of them were literally low budget. Prince of Darkness is a movie about universal apocalypse made for a budget of whatever was buried in Carpenter's couch cushions for instance. What really sticks out to me about Ghosts of Mars is the same thing that sticks out about Waterworld, Super Mario Brothers, and plenty of other 90s action movies is how loving dull the direction is. Everything is shot in this evenly-lit, straight-ahead functional boring style. Every action movie has to hit a very specific set of action beats. Carpenter's films after In the Mouth of Madness suck because they look less and less like he actually directed them. (The Ward is just an alright horror film; it hinges on a predictable twist.) Basebf555 posted:Prince of Darkness is excellent, it's second tier Carpenter right below Halloween, The Fog and The Thing.
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Halloween Jack posted:Have you watched it more than once? I upped it from "interesting failure" to "top tier Carpenter" after a rewatch. Oh my yes. I've probably seen Prince of Darkness 8 or 10 times over the years. I definitely wouldn't fault anyone for ranking more highly than I do though, for instance maybe you'd put it above The Fog. We're splitting hairs here.
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PoD is a more thoughtful cosmic horror film, Fog is a perfect popcorn horror film. It's like comparing a wine to a beer.
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I think latter-day Carpenter movies were heavily influenced by studio meddling. Vampires got like 2/3 of its budget axed just before filming, which required a bunch of last minute rewrites. Ghosts Of Mars was kneecapped in the script phase because it started as Escape From Earth, which was scrapped after LA failed to meet expectations. And even that was kind of a self-fulfilling disaster because the studio tried to position it as a big tentpole flick with a ton of marketing, when it’s really just a weird-as-gently caress genre flick. I think if LA had been a bit more modestly budgeted in order to give a more realistic chance of making a profit on home video the other two projects would have been seen as being safer to make a gamble on, and would have probably not been jerked around as much.
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Halloween Jack posted:With Ghosts of Mars, which is the first one I was thinking of, $28 million is probably too little to work with for a sci-fi film set on another planet. But there's no excuse for Vampires or Escape from LA. He made far better films in a similar milieu for far less money. The former is an embarrassing contrast to Bigelow's Near Dark, and the latter is an embarrassing contrast to its own prequel, both made for a fraction of the cost. The Ward, by contrast, looks fantastic.
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The Ward is a bad script that Carpenter directs with all the gusto he can muster.
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Halloween Jack posted:Oh, it's definitely cyberpunk, but being based (rather faithfully IIRC) on Gibson's work doesn't stop it from coming off as just plain goofy in parts. The heroin addicted dolphin was from the original Johnny Mnemonic short story if memory serves, so not all the goofiness was from the adaption process.
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There's nothing goofy about heroin addiction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Hgs22Sv6A
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I saw Sicario 2 tonight and actually, it's really good! Remember how we all thought the writer must have completely sold out and this was going to be right-wing tortureporn or whatever? Actually the real villain is Donald Trump. I'm not joking, the first hour is him 'letting loose' Graver and Alejandro, then Trump totally chickens out and they have to eat each other to cover their asses. That screenwriter is more sly than I thought.
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Still gathering my thoughts on it, but yeah Sicario 2 was pretty dope. In its repetitions of Villeneuves movie and establishing an escalation of the conflict, you get an abridged hyperreal interpretation of Act of Valor - with a few dabs of Zero Dark Thirty. Though the "you wanted Afghanistan" scene more or less unravels things, the impeach line was far too cute. Trump is the “real” villain insofar as he’s the implied POTUS and by extension here the secretary of defence and so on handing out a blank check - with the stated goal to expand the definitions of a forever war.
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All that torture, kidnapping and murder would totally have worked if it wasn't for the cowardly politicians -a completely original, unusual and progressive take The film also directly implies that that poo poo worked in the Middle East. It's a complete loving fantasy.
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I'm wary of Taylor Sheridan without a filmmaker like Denis Villeneuve or David Mackenzie to filter his ideas. I was not a fan of Wind River (except for Surprise Jon Bernthal) and that was unrestrained Sheridan. Has anyone seen that show called Yellowstone he created, starring Kevin Costner?
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Snowman_McK posted:The film also directly implies that that poo poo worked in the Middle East. It's a complete loving fantasy. Wait, where's this implied?
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Tell me about Takashi Miike's Dead or Alive movies? Yes, watch or no, avoid?
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Wheat Loaf posted:Tell me about Takashi Miike's Dead or Alive movies? Yes, watch or no, avoid? Yes watch them the first two are very good. I liked the third less but it was still worth watching. If you get bored in the middle of the first one just push through the end is worth it.
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Harime Nui posted:Remember how we all thought the writer must have completely sold out and this was going to be right-wing tortureporn or whatever? I would never doubt Taylor Sheridan edit: well, there is that horror movie he directed that's apparently bad. But I don't think he wrote it. The D in Detroit fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jul 1, 2018 |
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I've started a rewatch of Justified and I forgot just how much fun that show is. Timothy Olyphant gets to shoot a LOT of people as a modern day cowboy running around in Kentucky.
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MrBling posted:I've started a rewatch of Justified and I forgot just how much fun that show is. Justified is one of my favorite shows ever. It almost always gets left out of "peak TV" discussions and the pantheon of the greatest 21st Century shows, but I'd rank it up there with the greats. As terrific as Olyphant was on Deadwood and Goggins was on The Shield, they both do their career best work on Justified. The dialogue is so clever and crackling, and everything works perfectly. Only the first half of Season 1 is episodic cases of the week, but even they flow well, and by the time the show becomes heavily serialized, there's still enough happening that each episode tells its own story rather than feeling like small parts of a long, dragged-out movie. And even the weakest season (5, with the Crowe family) has enough good parts to outweigh the bad. And there's always much-needed comic relief to balance things out when they get dark (which they do). If you like Justified and haven't seen Banshee, watch Banshee. And if you liked Banshee and haven't seen Justified, definitely watch Justified.
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I'm hoping to get around to Justified. It might be the next series I do a marathon for. It's a choice between Justified (haven't seen any of it), Breaking Bad (watched some but never finished it) or Fargo (I like the movie; I understand it has the same continuity as the movie rather than just being a reboot). I like Elmore Leonard, though it occurs to me I haven't seen a lot of the adaptations of his stuff beyond Jackie Brown, Out of Sight and Get Shorty (which in fairness are probably the best three, at least as far as I'm aware, and I think I might actually like Get Shorty the best of the three).
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm hoping to get around to Justified. It might be the next series I do a marathon for. It's a choice between Justified (haven't seen any of it), Breaking Bad (watched some but never finished it) or Fargo (I like the movie; I understand it has the same continuity as the movie rather than just being a reboot). All three of those shows are awesome. I found Breaking Bad a truly nerve-wracking, edge-of-my-seat, stressful experience at times, which speaks volumes on how effective it was. Fargo is fantastic as well. The first season feels the most like the movie and might be my favorite, the second seemed to be the most popular overall, and the third is the worst by far, but still better than 90% of all other TV shows. And as for Elmore Leonard adaptations, Jennifer Lopez's character from Out of Sight, Karen Sisco, later got a short-lived TV show called Karen Sisco, in which she was played by Carlo Gugino. I hate to spoil Justified, but she pops up once, with a different name (surely due to rights issues), but you will know it's her. And the characters played by Samuel L. Jackson and Robert DeNiro in Jackie Brown appear in another movie called Life of Crime, which I haven't seen yet, but they're played by Mos Def and John Hawkes in that one. Another great Leonard adptation is the Western 3:10 to Yuma. I've never seen the original, but the remake with Christian Bale and Ben Foster is terrific. Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jul 1, 2018 |
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Also definitely watch Person of Interest if your own interests (heh!) includes watching Jim Caviezel shooting endless bad guys in the kneecaps. And he gets a cool dog too! And I guess the whole masterfully written story line about artificial intelligence which is really unparalleled in TV or movies. edit: and on a whole different level. Burn Notice is probably the most pulpy fun you can have in 45 minutes and I'm sad that Jeffrey Donovan doesn't seem to get much work really. His magician show was real good but sadly got cancelled.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:And as for Elmore Leonard adaptations, Jennifer Lopez's character from Out of Sight, Karen Sisco, later got a short-lived TV show called Karen Sisco, in which she was played by Carlo Gugino. I hate to spoil Justified, but she pops up once, with a different name (surely due to rights issues), but you will know it's her. And the characters played by Samuel L. Jackson and Robert DeNiro in Jackie Brown appear in another movie called Life of Crime, which I haven't seen yet, but they're played by Mos Def and John Hawkes in that one. I've heard of the Carla Gugino one but I've not been able to find it - doesn't seem to have ever had a home release and I don't think it's on streaming. Too bad. Speaking of Carla Gugino, though, earlier today I watched a movie where she was the female lead. It's a Brian De Palma movie called Snake Eyes, which continued Nicolas Cage's big late-90s, post-Oscar popcorn movie lead streak. Also featured Gary Sinise, who was in a lot of movies in the 90s but mainly seems to be a tv actor now (I first encountered him via CSI: NY myself). I went into it with fairly low expectations because it wasn't well-reviewed, but I thought it ended up being entertaining enough. It didn't feel like a waste of the 90 minutes it lasted. There's one bit I sort of liked right at the end where Cage, who plays a corrupt homicide detective, having saved the day is feted as a hero, and then the increased media scrutiny means that all of his corruption and bribe-taking comes out and he's sacked, he loses his family and he's sent to jail. MrBling posted:edit: and on a whole different level. Burn Notice is probably the most pulpy fun you can have in 45 minutes and I'm sad that Jeffrey Donovan doesn't seem to get much work really. His magician show was real good but sadly got cancelled. Burn Notice is one of those shows I'm familiar with from the year when I went on holiday in America and the USA network (?) seemed to air constant reruns of it. It's something else I'd like to watch all the way through some time.
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I feel like Burn Notice kind of established the template for USA's original programming: Easily accessible, simple plotting that's easy to follow, generally ridiculously good casting, and while there are overarching story threads, basically every episode is self-contained. Suits, White Collar, Royal Pains, Monk, Covert Affairs, Psych, all of them have the same characteristics.
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Another show I'd like to track down is the late-80s adaptation of Robert Parker's Spenser novels with Robert Urich and Avery Brooks. Has anybody watched that?
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Spenser for Hire? Hell yeah dude.
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Spenser for Hire is absolutely legit.
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Timby posted:I feel like Burn Notice kind of established the template for USA's original programming: Easily accessible, simple plotting that's easy to follow, generally ridiculously good casting, and while there are overarching story threads, basically every episode is self-contained. Suits, White Collar, Royal Pains, Monk, Covert Affairs, Psych, all of them have the same characteristics. Light stakes and gorgeous locales are a big part of it too, a big, bright, sunny day where people are eating at outdoor restaurants screams USA Network to me.
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Speaking of TV, Netflix has announced that they have ordered 10 episodes of a new show starring Iko Uwais, who will also do the fight/stunt choreography. https://media.netflix.com/en/press-releases/iko-uwais-joins-new-sci-fi-crime-drama-wu-assassins-coming-soon-to-netflix
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Wait, where's this implied? I'm guessing what snowman's getting at is the whole destabilizing a country being the end to justify the means and the weird line about how that worked in Iraq - like that was the loving goal? Sicario 2 on the whole is real odd.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm hoping to get around to Justified. It might be the next series I do a marathon for. It's a choice between Justified (haven't seen any of it), Breaking Bad (watched some but never finished it) or Fargo (I like the movie; I understand it has the same continuity as the movie rather than just being a reboot). Fargo is dope as gently caress, the first season especially. Breaking Bad is truly great television, and is one of the rare shows that understood the importance of leaving while the leaving was good. I can't really think of a "bad" episode in the entire run. And after you get done with that, check out Better Call Saul. It's not only interesting in how it ties into BB, but it's also a fantastic character piece that examines a lot of the questions raised in the original series, but filtered through the eyes of a lead character that falls on a very different place in the scale of morality from Walter White.
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brawleh posted:I'm guessing what snowman's getting at is the whole destabilizing a country being the end to justify the means and the weird line about how that worked in Iraq - like that was the loving goal? This is referred to several times in the film - destabilization is the goal. The "you wanted Afghanistan" stuff also refers to this; "now you can buy your own hockey team", "you can't seriously think change is the goal?", etc.
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muscles like this! posted:Speaking of TV, Netflix has announced that they have ordered 10 episodes of a new show starring Iko Uwais, who will also do the fight/stunt choreography. ...wait, isn't this the loving Greg Yaitanes (of Banshee fame) Triad show? the one that's Armageddon/Deep Impact-ing with Wong Kar Wai's Amazon show about the same subject matter? Greg Yaitanes showrunning + Iko Uwais leading and doing fight choreography = I have the biggest loving boner right now that won't go away
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:...wait, isn't this the loving Greg Yaitanes (of Banshee fame) Triad show? the one that's Armageddon/Deep Impact-ing with Wong Kar Wai's Amazon show about the same subject matter? Hate to disappoint you, but this isn't it. His name isn't in the press release.
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