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wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Moose-Alini posted:

What book do they meet?

They don't, it's a flashback. Grammaticus died again afterwards to something unrelated.

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Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

wiegieman posted:

They don't, it's a flashback. Grammaticus died again afterwards to something unrelated.

Legion I do believe, or maybe it was later. He was talking to another perpetual.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Immanentized posted:

Legion I do believe, or maybe it was later. He was talking to another perpetual.

It was Legion, yeah. He describes the Emperor as looking like an ordinary man if you could cut through his psychic illusions, which John could as a psyker, but that even so he radiated unfathomable power.

Moose-Alini
Sep 11, 2001

Not always so
I feel like I might have missed a lot of random culture genocides and perpetual hijinks by only reading the ‘good authors’ HH.

rocket_Magnet
Apr 5, 2005

:unsmith:

Moose-Alini posted:

I feel like I might have missed a lot of random culture genocides and perpetual hijinks by only reading the ‘good authors’ HH.

Legion is by Abnett and was considered one of the best reads when the series was a lot younger. :ssh:.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

Moose-Alini posted:

I feel like I might have missed a lot of random culture genocides and perpetual hijinks by only reading the ‘good authors’ HH.

There is a valuable word-hoard buried deep in the pages of Battle for the Abyss. You should enrich yourself!

Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013

Immanentized posted:

There is a valuable word-hoard buried deep in the pages of Battle for the Abyss. You should enrich yourself!

Ben Counter did nothing wrong...

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Waroduce posted:

This pronoun poo poo is asinine.


War of Secrets is pretty good yall and I was prepared to be a hater

I thought it was good almost to the end but it didn't stick the landing.

The way that The Chaplain is suddenly cool with trusting the Primaris, and the Primaris are suddenly cool with all the brain-washing and secrets based on one decision seemed entirely unconvincing to me. Also the whole lone Tau rampage and then miraculously surviving an orbital strike crossed that fine line from cool into 'Oh come on!' for me.

On the other hand, can confirm The Magos is great.

Old Woman Island
Feb 21, 2011

Some of the ideas were interesting, the writing was generally just ok.

Primaris marines being used as hypnotized meat shields for the 'real' D.angels was lol.
The tau inventing the warp drive but not the Gellar field was also lol with predicable results.

Was the lone tau guy the one from that fire warrior game? I kinda got that impression.

Old Woman Island fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Jun 29, 2018

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

Deptfordx posted:

I thought it was good almost to the end but it didn't stick the landing.

The way that The Chaplain is suddenly cool with trusting the Primaris, and the Primaris are suddenly cool with all the brain-washing and secrets based on one decision seemed entirely unconvincing to me. Also the whole lone Tau rampage and then miraculously surviving an orbital strike crossed that fine line from cool into 'Oh come on!' for me.

On the other hand, can confirm The Magos is great.

Was it Shas'vo Kais?
(I gotta play fire warrior again, it was so abysmal)

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Didn't play it but he's called Kais, so probably the same.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Immanentized posted:

Was it Shas'vo Kais?
(I gotta play fire warrior again, it was so abysmal)
I loved how the scale in the game was wonky so every step in the place was up to your waist.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

Deptfordx posted:

Didn't play it but he's called Kais, so probably the same.

Holy poo poo, he's gotta be about 300 years old by that point. He's chaos corrupted as all hell.

Miguel Prado
Nov 5, 2008

Don't worry, like they say " It's all good! "

So when do we get a trilogy about the Doomrider?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Only after GW confirms DoomGuy as the missing primarch in the crossover event of the century

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Frantically :f5: on Black Library 'Coming Soon' page.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Deptfordx posted:

Frantically :f5: on Black Library 'Coming Soon' page.

Re-re-release of Eisenhorn and early Horus Heresy books omnibus.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Arcsquad12 posted:

Only after GW confirms DoomGuy as the missing primarch in the crossover event of the century

Doomguy couldn't be a primarch, there wouldn't be any daemons left.

god that game was so loving good I am so loving :stoked: for the sequel

Theotus
Nov 8, 2014

wiegieman posted:

Doomguy couldn't be a primarch, there wouldn't be any daemons left.

god that game was so loving good I am so loving :stoked: for the sequel

Within the first two minutes Doomguy smashing the gently caress out of the monitor giving all the exposition sets the tone for the game perfectly. Loved it.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

new Carcharodons book, Outer Dark, was pretty good. can recommend if you liked Red Tithe

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



Finished the first Night Lords novel and was a bit underwhelmed, especially coming off Helsreach. In a way it felt like the ending of Act One which I guess it is but I was also expecting more bang to wrap up 400 pages. I'm hoping you guys can sell me on Book Two since I'm still up in the air about a next pick.

Although I'm also open to a different BL book. Still looking for bolter porn I suppose.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


^burtle posted:

Finished the first Night Lords novel and was a bit underwhelmed, especially coming off Helsreach. In a way it felt like the ending of Act One which I guess it is but I was also expecting more bang to wrap up 400 pages. I'm hoping you guys can sell me on Book Two since I'm still up in the air about a next pick.

Although I'm also open to a different BL book. Still looking for bolter porn I suppose.

There's no way I guess to sell you other than saying it has some of the best character growth and great payoff of any Black Library trilogy. I rate it as highly as Eisenhorn.

Zasze
Apr 29, 2009

^burtle posted:

Finished the first Night Lords novel and was a bit underwhelmed, especially coming off Helsreach. In a way it felt like the ending of Act One which I guess it is but I was also expecting more bang to wrap up 400 pages. I'm hoping you guys can sell me on Book Two since I'm still up in the air about a next pick.

Although I'm also open to a different BL book. Still looking for bolter porn I suppose.

Honestly i think of all 3 as 1 book and always forget its an onmibus. I enjoyed where the characters and story went in the later parts.

mythicknight
Jan 28, 2009

my thick night

Finished The Magos.

My head is full of gently caress. Gonna need to reread the last few chapters a few times and go back and reread Pariah. Some things from Pariah make better sense with more context, but I have even more questions now.

Penitent when

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

I am excited to tackle The Magos since it is apparently fuckoff huge instead of being 250 pages like your average abnett book

will have to wait for a good window of time though!

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Ah.

The bad news is the actual story 'The Magos' is a 250p-ish Abnett novel. It is about half short stories published previously.

The good news is A)They're good, B) A lot of the stuff in there turns out to be important to the actual Magos Novella.

Definitely worth reading.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


  1. Pestilence
  2. Master Imus' Transgression
  3. Regia Occulta
  4. Missing in Action (included in Eisenhorn omnibus)
  5. Backcloth for a Crown Additional (included in Eisenhorn omnibus)
  6. The Strange Demise of Titus Endor
  7. The Curiosity
  8. Playing Patience (included in Ravenor omnibus)
  9. Thorn Wishes Talon (included in Ravenor omnibus)
  10. Gardens of Tycho
  11. The Keeler Image
  12. Perihelion
  13. The Magos

That's the full list of stories in Magos. The only ones I'd read before were the ones from the omnibus editions of Ravenor and Eisenhorn, so all of the others were new to me. Definitely worth it. For what it's worth, the actual novel The Magos is about the last 50% of the book, so it probably comes out to 300ish pages on its own.

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Deptfordx posted:

Ah.

The bad news is the actual story 'The Magos' is a 250p-ish Abnett novel. It is about half short stories published previously.

The good news is A)They're good, B) A lot of the stuff in there turns out to be important to the actual Magos Novella.

Definitely worth reading.

thats fine, I haven't read most of the short stories in the Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin milieu

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
The only irritating thing about it is that in the paperback editions of the earlier books that match the style of Magos they already reprinted a few of the short stories they then reprinted in Magos.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



Zasze posted:

Honestly i think of all 3 as 1 book and always forget its an onmibus. I enjoyed where the characters and story went in the later parts.

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

There's no way I guess to sell you other than saying it has some of the best character growth and great payoff of any Black Library trilogy. I rate it as highly as Eisenhorn.

I went ahead and pushed on. Thanks for the motivation guys.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

I've read the vast majority of the good 40k books. What are the best books to get started with AoS?

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

D-Pad posted:

I've read the vast majority of the good 40k books. What are the best books to get started with AoS?

Probably the new Soul Wars one. If not I believe the same author, Josh Reynolds, wrote a bunch of other decent AoS books and I believe is generally considered one of BLs better authors when it comes to that setting.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

D-Pad posted:

I've read the vast majority of the good 40k books. What are the best books to get started with AoS?


Cooked Auto posted:

Probably the new Soul Wars one. If not I believe the same author, Josh Reynolds, wrote a bunch of other decent AoS books and I believe is generally considered one of BLs better authors when it comes to that setting.

Yup. Anything by Josh Reynolds - Plague Garden, Spear of Shadows (I've read this, it's solid,) Nagash the Undying King are all supposed to be good. Soul Wars should be ok, since he wrote that too. Hammerhall and Other Stories is considered to be a good primer to AoS. I want to say that I heard City of Secrets is good too, but I can't remember. Same for Overlords of the Iron Dragon.

Any books prior to these are from early AoS and suffer from a lack of direction and aren't considered very good.

Demon Of The Fall
May 1, 2004

Nap Ghost
So just finished up the Magos. Are we to assume at the end there that Eisenhorn is possessed by a daemon?

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I read the Eisenhorn books forever ago and don't recall any of it.

Am I good to read Magos or should I re- read the originals again?

Fellblade
Apr 28, 2009
I just ordered it and am planning to re-read Pariah before I read it, though probably not the originals since I've read them about 5 times.

MrNemo
Aug 26, 2010

"I just love beeting off"

Demon Of The Fall posted:

So just finished up the Magos. Are we to assume at the end there that Eisenhorn is possessed by a daemon?

I don't think so because we saw the other cognitae goon had people eyes from exposure to enuncia but wasn't possessed. I think Eisenhorn is tainted by contact with the warp but still treading the line of full blown corruption.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Demon Of The Fall posted:

So just finished up the Magos. Are we to assume at the end there that Eisenhorn is possessed by a daemon?

He's just possessed of his own self-righteousness.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

MrNemo posted:

I don't think so because we saw the other cognitae goon had people eyes from exposure to enuncia but wasn't possessed. I think Eisenhorn is tainted by contact with the warp but still treading the line of full blown corruption.

I think its just warp exposure. Don't the Cadians have purple eyes as well due to their proximity with the Eye of Terror?

Cherubael did mention that he's terrified of Eisenhorn now, which does make you wonder though.

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VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER
Yeah I read that almost as an self-exorcism because the one thing that won’t break is Eisenhorn’s will.
Anyone figure out who the Yellow King is? I’m wondering if it isn’t Eisenhorn’s recruiter.

VanSandman fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jul 7, 2018

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