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janelle has always been cool. her and grimes have collaborated before. also im gonna stan grimes here and say that i dont think she's dating musk anymore.
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Jul 9, 2018 02:34
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She wore the tesla collar of shame, neva 4get
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Jul 9, 2018 02:40
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I have no idea who any of these people are, and for that I am thankful. Is Grimes like Madonna, like is she trying to pull off the one name thing?
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Jul 9, 2018 02:45
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she's Frank Grimes' daughter
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Jul 9, 2018 03:00
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Has anybody else read Manfredo Tafuri's Architecture and Utopia? I would like to talk about it
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Jul 9, 2018 03:05
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No, and you're not allowed to post about it, on pain of death (lol  brosef)
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Jul 9, 2018 03:07
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nobody else pointed out the J20 charges got dropped, so I will! gently caress DC police chief Peter Newsham who said it was a case of the system letting “bad guys” go. He’s a guy with a long history of loving up protests for no good reason - but he says they will change their tactics accordingly (sounds like bad news to me)
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Jul 9, 2018 03:12
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instead of trying to arrest people they'll just put them in the hospital.
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Jul 9, 2018 03:41
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Atrocious Joe posted:Janelle Monáe moving to get the ML fandom Grimes lost after she started dating Elon Musk She did a collab with Grimes too. Never trust pop stars.
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Jul 9, 2018 03:45
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https://twitter.com/WSWS_Updates/status/1016147444197969921
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Jul 9, 2018 03:52
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:She did a collab with Grimes too. Never trust pop stars. Pop stars are simply a capitalist reframing of radical ideals and imagery into a toothless, neutered form for self-centered consumption
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Jul 9, 2018 03:53
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I only listen to Nu Metal
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Taintrunner posted:Pop stars are simply a capitalist reframing of radical ideals and imagery into a toothless, neutered form for self-centered consumption It's literal PSL propaganda though. At least in that sense it's not neutered.
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Jul 9, 2018 04:04
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's literal PSL propaganda though. At least in that sense it's not neutered. So, still neutered? 
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Jul 9, 2018 04:58
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anyone know of any marxist analysis of cold war america? specifically related to the economy if possible
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Jul 9, 2018 05:37
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https://twitter.com/KarlMarx200yrs/status/1016188965047668736
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quote:Ocasio-Cortez’s duplicity and political opportunism brand her—and the DSA—as reactionary instruments of the oppressors and exploiters of the working class and youth. lol
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Jul 9, 2018 06:26
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where's the lie?
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you can possibly make an argument about opportunism, but labelling either 'reactionary' is super loving dumb. You meet people where they are.
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Jul 9, 2018 08:46
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:where's the lie? do you really think she's a "reactionary instrument?" I mean she's obviously no revolutionary but do you think she's actively hurting socialist politics in the US?
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Jul 9, 2018 08:47
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Pizza Segregationist posted:do you really think she's a "reactionary instrument?" I mean she's obviously no revolutionary but do you think she's actively hurting socialist politics in the US? Sheeish capitalism wit a hyooman face
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Jul 9, 2018 10:05
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rudatron posted:You meet people where they are. What, exactly, does this stupid phrase I keep seeing mean? People are "at" wanting free healthcare but they're not "at" wanting to liberate themselves from having to sell their labor to capitalists? How is this determined?
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Jizz Festival posted:What, exactly, does this stupid phrase I keep seeing mean? People are "at" wanting free healthcare but they're not "at" wanting to liberate themselves from having to sell their labor to capitalists? How is this determined? it's a weaselly way of deviating to the mean even when talking to people without strict ideological commitments ie the people you're most likely to convince. more charitably it means "speaking to someone's situation" which is actually good advice but this particular phrase is rarely deployed this way.
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even people without strict ideological commitments have been thoroughly conditioned by society to reject anything labelled 'socialist'. Cortez didn't disavow socialism, in spite of being a newest target of this ideological program, but she tried her best to relate it to people's pressing concerns, ie, 'living with dignity". The vast majority of people are not and never will be interested in strict ideology, even less so the rhetoric of an ideology that is functionally dead in America. Pretending that is the case is delusional. They care about what matters to them.
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Jul 9, 2018 10:56
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Lenin: "peace, land, bread" HomeEx: "what a revisionist"
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Jul 9, 2018 10:57
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americans still believe they're indebted to their employers
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rudatron posted:even people without strict ideological commitments have been thoroughly conditioned by society to reject anything labelled 'socialist'. Cortez didn't disavow socialism, in spite of being a newest target of this ideological program, but she tried her best to relate it to people's pressing concerns, ie, 'living with dignity". good thing i didn't say to do any of that, you vacuous fraud
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how is 'weaselly way of deviating to the mean' to be interpreted, other than suggesting that it's a betrayal of ideological principles?
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Jul 9, 2018 11:24
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affirming said principles doesn't mean using outright ideological or obscurantist arguments. wishy washy socdem policy can be supported with simple language, but that doesn't mean the same isn't true of actual socialism or communism.
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how is that not petty tone policing? she's working in a hostile environment, she wants to advertise her policies positions without getting 'gotcha'd', or distracted by irrelevant details. In that context, her language is entirely appropriate. Or do you believe that the news media is somehow going to honestly and rigorously present her extremely nuanced and ideologically correct opinions?
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rudatron posted:even people without strict ideological commitments have been thoroughly conditioned by society to reject anything labelled 'socialist'. Cortez didn't disavow socialism, in spite of being a newest target of this ideological program, but she tried her best to relate it to people's pressing concerns, ie, 'living with dignity". What matters to people is escaping their lives spent working lovely jobs. This is why people try to get out by getting rich or starting their own business or even just going back to school to get a less-lovely job. Relieving the lovely conditions with social programs is good, but without having an explicit goal of liberation from this way of living for everyone, there's nothing there to keep people motivated except for the sheer shittiness of things. The whole project becomes another chore that must be worked at, at a slow grueling pace, out of obligation for all the people who are suffering.
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rudatron posted:how is that not petty tone policing? she's working in a hostile environment, she wants to advertise her policies positions without getting 'gotcha'd', or distracted by irrelevant details. In that context, her language is entirely appropriate. you seem to think aoc is a secret socialist when an honest reading of her public statements reveals tepid social democracy at best. have you decoded something? would you like to share with the class?
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Google trends lmao
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rudatron posted:even people without strict ideological commitments have been thoroughly conditioned by society to reject anything labelled 'socialist'. Cortez didn't disavow socialism, in spite of being a newest target of this ideological program, but she tried her best to relate it to people's pressing concerns, ie, 'living with dignity". she's better than most liberals but she's still a liberal fam.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:
When Lenin wrote about the need to participate in elections, he wrote about the need to participate as a party that was explicitly centered around the working class, which the Democrats aren't. Even though DSA doesn't have.a ballot line, it could very well serve as a workers party. Then again, it's full of loving liberals and AOC apparently is a failed small business owner???
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:When Lenin wrote about the need to participate in elections, he wrote about the need to participate as a party that was explicitly centered around the working class, which the Democrats aren't. Even though DSA doesn't have.a ballot line, it could very well serve as a workers party. He was also talking about Russia over 100 years ago, so I've gotta wonder whether the "spirit of the law" applied to different circumstances (like a country where third party ballot lines are curiosities at best under anything but extraordinary conditions) would lead to different conclusions than the "letter of the law."
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R. Guyovich posted:you seem to think aoc is a secret socialist when an honest reading of her public statements reveals tepid social democracy at best. have you decoded something? would you like to share with the class? rejecting real world leftist gains because they're 'tepid social democracy' and not Full Communism Now is simply ultra-leftism -- in contemporary america, the fact that even 'tepid social democracy' is creating such an outcry, is itself a demonstration of the institutional weakness of the left. in that position, it's very much 'take what you can get'. Even if ACO was the somehow latina reincarnation of Lenin, every action she's made has been the best, logical choice to make. Had she made all the right statements, to have been ideologically pure enough for you, she wouldn't have won, and gotten any coverage at all. But it's conditions you need to act within, now, and step numero uno for a real mass party movement is - wait for it - promising to give what people already want. People on minimum wage, who need healthcare, who's education facilities are being dismantled, are keenly aware of what they need, and you have to talk to those needs, to get them on your side, first, before you can do anything else. They do not care about, and are not interested in, socialism, because they've been conditioned into dismissing it, and because some theoretical far off future doesn't meet their needs, now. If you refuse to 'stoop so low' as 'tepid social democracy', you are garbage. rudatron fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Jul 9, 2018 |
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i love when purported "leftists" deploy the exact same arguments democrats do. "purity testing" lmao
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