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NoNostalgia4Grover posted:Re-read Gardens of the Moon. i wanna say it was a 1st sword/tool only thing. briefly pops back up at the very end
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IIRC it had to do with the tellan (or w/e) warren which makes no since since tool isn't a bonecaster
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Jul 9, 2018 17:21
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I believe he says something about not being able to do it in maybe Book 3 because something something second gathering.
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Jul 9, 2018 18:14
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He wasn't bound the the gathering though iirc.
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Jul 9, 2018 18:25
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The correct bullshit excuse is K'rul got better re: the T'lan Imass anti-warren effect disappearing by book 3.
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Jul 9, 2018 19:13
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What is the deal with the narrative style in parts of Toll the Hounds? It seems like Kruppe is the narrator in certain sections.
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Jul 11, 2018 01:45
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promising carl posted:What is the deal with the narrative style in parts of Toll the Hounds? It seems like Kruppe is the narrator in certain sections. Toll the Hounds partially took place in Darujhistan. That's HIS territory, oh course HE would be the narrator in certain sections. Another great thing about the Gardens of the Moon re-read was Whiskeyjack considering Fiddler & Hedge the two worst soldiers he's ever encountered, but fantastic sappers/demo dudes.
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Jul 11, 2018 02:15
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He mixes up his style a bit. I guess he is aping off Arabian Nights style narration for TTH.
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Jul 11, 2018 02:21
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dishwasherlove posted:He mixes up his style a bit. I guess he is aping off Arabian Nights style narration for TTH. I'm a little ways into TtH myself (~150 pages) and I've noticed the writing is way more flowery than his usual
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Jul 11, 2018 02:28
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I imagine Toll of the Hounds was narrated by Kruppe and Fisher and the book was extremely good because of it.
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Jul 11, 2018 03:20
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NoNostalgia4Grover posted:Toll the Hounds partially took place in Darujhistan. That's HIS territory, oh course HE would be the narrator in certain sections. I'm guess I'm curious to know if there's any in-universe reason for it, since it's later revealed that (TCG spoiler) The Crippled God wrote the Book of the Fallen (unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning of that part of the ending).
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Jul 11, 2018 03:22
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promising carl posted:I'm guess I'm curious to know if there's any in-universe reason for it, since it's later revealed that (TCG spoiler) The Crippled God wrote the Book of the Fallen (unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning of that part of the ending). No there's no in universe reason for it. Technically the Crippled God isn't even around for the epilogue section of TCG novel. That characters true Ascendant power was narration. So maybe dictated via Warren-email or via alternate dimensions or dreamstates to receptive people.cough Kruppe cough. Or just dictated to Iskaral Pust who had previous experience with that sort of task.
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Jul 11, 2018 04:18
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Ben Nerevarine posted:I'm a little ways into TtH myself (~150 pages) and I've noticed the writing is way more flowery than his usual Yeah it's definitely very purple/clumsy in places but it's often quite beautiful and poetic
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Jul 11, 2018 13:49
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Hitting up my second reading of Fall of Light. People get mad at the final battle in FoL but it is literally spelt out in the intro of that book (not really a spoiler) "The poet who delights in visceral detail, for the sole purpose of feeding that lust for blood, has all the depth of a puddle of piss on the ground". You were warned.
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Jul 12, 2018 09:06
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dishwasherlove posted:Hitting up my second reading of Fall of Light. People get mad at the final battle in FoL but it is literally spelt out in the intro of that book (not really a spoiler) "The poet who delights in visceral detail, for the sole purpose of feeding that lust for blood, has all the depth of a puddle of piss on the ground". You were warned. I think there's a vast space between visceral detail and showing none of the climax of the book and instead focusing on an old man and child playing a board game. It would have been nice to have been somewhere in that space.
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Jul 12, 2018 14:28
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I agree but I guess we have 10 books of that space. Apparently all the battles happen offscreen in Shakespeare.
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Jul 12, 2018 14:31
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Listening to Dust of Dreams and I'm saddened once more by the deaths of good characters.
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Jul 12, 2018 15:04
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dishwasherlove posted:You were warned. Then I wish I had heeded that warning. Suffice to say that I won't need warning again, my interest in that trilogy is stone cold dead at this point.
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Jul 12, 2018 19:50
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I liked that.
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Jul 12, 2018 20:08
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I will be deeply surprised if he doesn't do a total flip in Walk in Shadow and write a massive visceral battle. Or at least a flashback to the battle in Fall of Light.
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Jul 12, 2018 22:26
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dishwasherlove posted:I will be deeply surprised if he doesn't do a total flip in Walk in Shadow and write a massive visceral battle. Or at least a flashback to the battle in Fall of Light. I think its worth saying that I don't necessarily want or need a huge battle or a big action scene, big isn't always better. The problem with FOL isn't that we were denied a big scrap at the end, it's that it is a boring, self indulgent load of wankery that did nothing except waste my time. I adore most of the Malazan books, I really do, but Erikson is disappearing up his own arse at this stage and it shows. What I wouldn't give for another Deadhouse Gates instead of the rambling wannabe philosophy blogs contaminating his later efforts.
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Jul 12, 2018 23:16
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give me deadhouse gates or give me death
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Jul 13, 2018 03:18
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FOL ending was a masterpiece.
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Jul 13, 2018 05:50
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Anti-climax after several million words of brutal show-downs was excellent.
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Jul 13, 2018 16:20
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Re-read Memories of Ice. Tool improved for me on the re-read. Almost everyone improved during the MoI re-read except for Kivala + the Capustan council of high priests. All the Barghast stuff in MoI made what happened in the last two books with the White Face clan less of a surprise in retrospect. It was cool seeing the 1 sentence description of the turtle-armor barghast clan in MoI, and finally Imass on Imass never changes.
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Jul 13, 2018 18:34
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On Crippled God now. I have grown to dispise the Imass and dread the parts with them. They suck so much.
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Jul 13, 2018 18:49
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NoNostalgia4Grover posted:Re-read Memories of Ice. never a throw away line. all hail turtle armor!
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Jul 13, 2018 21:47
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Schwza posted:Anti-climax after several million words of brutal show-downs was excellent. What anti-climax? Read the description of the games, do a split screen and imagine the things are happening as the crazy old man and vindictive kid play. There you go, masterpiece. Seriously, smh with people throwing shade at Erikson for Kharkanas.
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Schwza posted:Anti-climax after several million words of brutal show-downs was excellent. You misspelled slow-downs.
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Jul 14, 2018 17:54
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I just finished re-reading Deadhouse gates. Read Deadhouse Gates out of sequence because Memories of Ice directly followed up most of the characters from Gardens of the Moon, while DeadHouse Gates is a depressing read for me. Enjoyed the Iskaral Pust Experience and Kalam Mekhar: Malaz City adventures part One. Reading book 2 + book 3 out of order let me notice how wonky book 2 was. The soul transfer + reincarnation stuff that was a major plot point in book 3(and moderate plot point in book 1) was pretty much a highly technical yet mundane procedure by the time book 2 ended. Book 2 had the soul transfer + reincarnation stuff as a pre-existing condition, or just focused on the 1st bit while book 3 focused more on the 2nd bit with the addition of what the physical costs were for the volunteer/voluntold that hosted the soul transfer + reincarnation stuff. Granted there was major differences in what happened in book 2 versus book 3. Book 2 had established identity entities who choose to stop quick-aging at certain point versus book 3 with the polar opposite scenario. 100,000+ year time scale, multiple souls existing in one shell, an elder god + Kruppe winging the soul transfer + reincarnation stuff, and no life force to power the reborn entity other than the volunteer/voltuntold host entity. Having now re-read book 1 + book 3 + book 2, almost all my dislike about Tool + Tool's goddamn multiple lives has vanished. By the time book 9 rolled around, more than a few people had been already reborn in the Book of the Fallen series. Talking about the multi-souled Silverfox, the wickan child mages (with a possible 3rd life happening for Sormo), duiker, tool life v2, toc the younger, and I am probably missing a few others. Not counting Coltaine being reborn because I refuse to read any more Ian Esslemont Malazan books than I already have.
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Started re-reading House of Chains. This caught my attention.quote:A low altar caught Karsa's attention. Some lowlander god, signified by a small clay statue - a boar, standing on it's hind legs.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:27
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Ooh, nice catch.
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Re-read Midnight Tides and am about halfway through my Bonehunters re-read. Midnight Tides re-read: There was a whole lot of subtle ocean puns for one character before the big reveal. Catfish in the flooded warren/catfish chilling on the flooded warren spanning border wall that hyper-evolved limbs made think of the K'Chain race and the K'Chain nanomachines/fluids as a lead-up to the Shake + various coastal lurking horrors ala X-COM: Terror from the Deep Lobstermen. e: might belong in House of Chains, it had Trull & the gimpy notEvil T'lan Imass. Bonehunters: The ancient 7 bodied sealed evil getting owned by everything is still great, Iskaral Pust being revealed as not-useless was a bonus. Bonehunters has lots and lots of K'Chain race history that was interesting but overwhelming page-filler material on the my 1st read, not so on the re-read. Belated House of Chains: the Adjunct & Admiral Nok had a chat covering the Malazan Deadhouse giving the Emperor & Emperor's crew (full member list included in chat) extensive "benefits" while the Emperor was putting together his plans for conquering Malaz City. Also may have caught a Mortal Kombat Goro reference, or I just might be loopy from reading 5.5 malazan books in 8 days. quantumfoam fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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Jul 19, 2018 18:34
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Crippled God has a lot of BS in it. Those kids crossing the glass desert, mappo's mopey march, and the Shake all suck.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:40
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Mr Hootington posted:Crippled God has a lot of BS in it. Those kids crossing the glass desert, mappo's mopey march, and the Shake all suck. It was a loving slog that's for sure.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:42
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ed balls balls man posted:It was a loving slog that's for sure. It is amazing to find myself feeling relief when the t'lan imass parts appear again.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:56
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I hated the snake until the rap battle.
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Jul 19, 2018 20:26
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The final stand of the Shake is one of best parts of the book.
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Jul 19, 2018 23:03
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The Shake payoff is worth it imo. Especially after Fall of Light and presumably even more once Erikson writes Walk in Shadow.
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It would be extremely Erikson if the 3rd Kharkanas book skipped all the Tiste civil war stuff, and was 100% about the K'Chain Che'Malle vs K'Chain Nah'ruk civil war instead. Finished Bonehunters re-read last night. The repeated forced slowdowns + forced hurry-ups in the book so the Letheri/Bonehunters/Karsa/Icarium storylines all synced up really stood out in the re-read and ultimately made the Bonehunters re-read ok, not great. Example: The left behind survivors of the Y'Ghatan siege + their friends with warren-traveling abilities deciding to walk through the desert with no water or food and reminiscence instead of using warren-quick travel powers was really dumb. Or possibly reinforced the idea that Malazan soldiers are really badass but utter failures in real life. Or 3rd option: misery endurance death marches is just the 14th armies thing, don't question it or directly question the Adjunct Tavore.
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