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Immanentized posted:Gotta say, I did not expect 3 hour multi-stage baths to be part of the Chapter Master's daily routine. Sounded quite luxurious Nobody is that pretty without work. Nobody.
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Immanentized posted:Gotta say, I did not expect 3 hour multi-stage baths to be part of the Chapter Master's daily routine. Sounded quite luxurious It takes a lot of scrubbing to gets centuries worth of blood out from under your nails.
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Finished The Unremembered Empire. By far my favorite Horus Heresy novel. Lot of threads in the plot that I thought came together nicely, combat scenes had a point, and I felt the overall story moved forward with some informative reveals.
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DARPA posted:Finished The Unremembered Empire. By far my favorite Horus Heresy novel. Lot of threads in the plot that I thought came together nicely, combat scenes had a point, and I felt the overall story moved forward with some informative reveals. space-scottish granny was easily the best part of the book. No one fucks with Bobby G's mom and gets away with it.
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Immanentized posted:space-scottish granny was easily the best part of the book. No one fucks with Bobby G's mom and gets away with it. Agreed. I loved how she called him out on his insecurities and was saying "you can do this". I've said it before in the thread, but that book made me a little sad with the scene where he has the banquet hall setup for all his brothers with their own seats and colours and it's never going to be used. I want just one scene where they all get along like some hosed up, violent demi-god version of the Walton family 
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The Unremembered Empire is OK at best. Way too many threads in the book. All parts involving Curze are super cringey. My two cents. Very excited about the lords of silence dropping in August. I’ve had a couple sorry.
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Miguel Prado posted:The Unremembered Empire is OK at best. Way too many threads in the book. All parts involving Curze are super cringey. My two cents. Agree with this, too. You could tell where Abnett was writing his story and where he'd been told to tie off the threads of lovely books. I just wanted to read about G-man, his plans, how he feels next to his brothers, etc. But we had to have evil Batman running around too
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Unremembered Empire was basically the saturation point for Heresy Era books, and I'll bet Abnett's efforts to try and wrangle that mess together played a big part in him taking time away from Black Library. Everything afterwards has felt like more corpses piled on the mountain of mediocre books. You get some exceptions but there's more Heresy novels now than Discworld books.
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Dog_Meat posted:But we had to have evil Batman running around too It was
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Arcsquad12 posted:Unremembered Empire was basically the saturation point for Heresy Era books, and I'll bet Abnett's efforts to try and wrangle that mess together played a big part in him taking time away from Black Library. Everything afterwards has felt like more corpses piled on the mountain of mediocre books. You get some exceptions but there's more Heresy novels now than Discworld books. That was twelve years ago 
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Arquinsiel posted:I remember back when it started, putting off reading the series "until it's done" so I could power through to the end.  Extending my prestige tv policy to books has not gone as well as hoped.
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Any UK goons want some Cain books? I've got 4 of the original paperbacks and the hardback of 'The Greater Good'. Happy to send them to you for postage cost otherwise they're going to the charity shop.
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Arquinsiel posted:I remember back when it started, putting off reading the series "until it's done" so I could power through to the end. I have about 30 books on a shelf (and one that doesn't match because it was that ridiculous oversized format), but then just stopped when I saw how things were going. I get the occasional HH book on Kindle now if it's recommended by this thread (MoM), but I'm done with the Heresy until Horus and the Emperor are literally swinging on eachother.
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Just finished Master of Mankind, I really enjoyed a closer look at the Webway project and how different people perceive the Emperor in such different ways. The Insights into the Mechanicum were actually pretty intriguing. The Custodes were very dry of course, but that’s an essential part of their character. They were interesting mostly for their backstory and what they had witnessed alongside the Emperor during the years prior to the Heresy. Recommended! I think I will delve a bit deeper into the “good” Heresy books.
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Telsa Cola posted:Carrion throne had a pretty decent portrayal of Custodians as well. The Emperor’s Legion is pretty Custodes focused and is very good.
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Telsa Cola posted:Carrion throne had a pretty decent portrayal of Custodians as well. Carrion Throne also shares a character with The Emperor’s Legion, which makes it a fun little two book series.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Unremembered Empire was basically the saturation point for Heresy Era books, and I'll bet Abnett's efforts to try and wrangle that mess together played a big part in him taking time away from Black Library. Everything afterwards has felt like more corpses piled on the mountain of mediocre books. You get some exceptions but there's more Heresy novels now than Discworld books. Arquinsiel posted:I remember back when it started, putting off reading the series "until it's done" so I could power through to the end. real talk, the reason i started reading warhammer again is that my elder brother croaked of a heart attack this past winter - he had been a big fan and I figured I should do his ghost a solid by finishing the ongoing series he read (Gaunt, Eisenhorn/Ravenor) that he now will never get to finish. originally, he got into it when he found my old Black Library stash from when I was a tween and apparently started bringing them with him as reading material on his trucking hauls. he at one point had a custom Space Wolves decal made for his truck canvas (which ended up being dumb, since he switched employers frequently and within a few months ended up moving somewhere he wasn't driving a truck that required a canvas canopy). Anyway, while he was alive, he had this complex where he insisted on buying every Horus Heresy novel, even when they were written by authors he hated, because he "had to find out what happens". I continually tried telling him GW was just going to stretch the series out ad infinitum until people stopped buying them religiously, but he would not believe me. tl;dr Games Workshop murdered my brother PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jul 28, 2018 |
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I just finished Unremembered Empire, which I brought purely because it had a sweet rear end cover of Sanguinius being all gosh shucks humble and abashed. It wasn't bad, but man, no kidding that the cover was kinda misleading. That's really not what the novel was about. Still, there was a bunch of Primarch stuff, and that's always welcome. My takeaway on it is that it sure made Konrad Curze look crazy overpowered... He was manhandling everything they threw at him, cackling all the while. Felt like a missed opportunity to give some depth to Curze. Overall it was a good read, but I got the impression Abnett hit the deadline and had to rush the ending. I said before that I wanted ADB and McNeill exclusively writing the HH series, but I guess I meant ADB and Abnett. I forgot it was Abnett that wrote 'Know No Fear', which restored my faith in the series after... you know, that one book about Horus' super gently caress-all ship. I really, really liked Storm of Iron, but I don't think I've read anything of McNeill's since, that quite matched that level. Still trudging through 'Corax'. I'm just not getting into it. drat, but is there a sheer, sheer drop between ADB/Abnett and pretty much everyone else involved in the series. edit: RIP Space Wolf trucker
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PupsOfWar posted:tl;dr Games Workshop murdered my brother  At least it kept him entertained for a while.
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Arquinsiel posted:
cool ork av
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Cythereal posted:They're very blatantly Scotsmen right down to the woad. Well, poo poo. I always assumed they were supposed to be Irish.
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They're best described as Celtic. They look Irish with their pale skin and dark hair, they wear woad like Scottish Picts and their language idiosyncrasies are based off of Welsh.
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Biplane posted:cool ork av 
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PupsOfWar posted:tl;dr Games Workshop murdered my brother On a side note, this is a true fear of mine - I'm going to get into an ongoing series, and get heavily invested, and then die at some point before it finishes.
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Can you really say a series is finished until you die? That there is no chance whatsoever of someone picking it up again? What I'm saying is, read everything, then die quickly, before someone fucks it up.
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Read everything else as a ghost.
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think about all the big TKaM fans who died before the sequel came out.
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Linnear posted:My takeaway on it is that it sure made Konrad Curze look crazy overpowered... He was manhandling everything they threw at him, cackling all the while. I can't remember much of the action from that book (just the character bits with Gulliman), but can a primarch be over powered? Plot requirements to take a bitch fall aside, they throttle Eldar avatars with their bare hands, wreck titans, eat full on plasma bolts to the face, plough through fields of space marines, fight in the vacuum of space with no helmet, etc. That said, I honestly can't remember much about that book as I was still dealing with the awful aftertaste of Vulcan Lives (where Kurze is basically Jigsaw). After reading through the Abaddon books and the Night Lord series I think it's cool how the primarchs have lost their aura in 40k and are seen as flawed, weak beings by their sons now. And in some cases, completely surpassed by them.
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re: can-space-marines-gently caress chat from a little bit ago: I was poking through The Emperor's Gift and got to the bit where Bjorn flirts with a female Fenrisian inquisitor. The Grey Knight PoV character thinks this is odd since he himself can't even tell humans apart most of the time without relying on telepathy, much less tell whether a human is supposed to be attractive. Between this and the Ragnar books, I think we are building a case that Space Wolves can gently caress, or at least comprehend loving, even if other marines can't. Leman Russ's gene seed is weird I guess. also w/r/t The Emperor's Gift, I usually am not big on the grrrr-my-dudes-can-beat-up-your-dudes element of this fandom. But i did enjoy Logan Grimnar casually decapitating Grey Knights grand masters and inquisitors like it's just a thing you do. (gently caress the Inquisition)
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PupsOfWar posted:Between this and the Ragnar books, I think we are building a case that Space Wolves can gently caress, or at least comprehend loving, even if other marines can't. The Fenrisian word is yyffing
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Pretty sure it's just that Bjorn is really leaning into the "dirty old man" character stereotype TBH.
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Maybe it implies that space wolves don't get completely psycho indoctrinated. So they retain some of their old personality from when they where human?
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I think it’s also stated that Space Wolves get taken for transformation as young men rather than children.
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Even the children in the Blood Angels stuff from the way back when were mid-teens at least. On a death world you probably gently caress by then.
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It certainly is noted in the backstory of Lukas the Trickster, one of the Wolves' special characters, that he was an infamous womanizer before being taken by the Wolves.
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is it canon that the Primarchs have more or less the personalities and skillsets the Emperor intended them to have? if not, it makes sense to me that the Emperor would exaggerate the amount of influence his crafting had on their later development, to look cool to everyone. I suspect this is the case since they have an...unbalanced mixture of skills. there's like six guys who are sort of smith/craftsmen, another half dozen who are pure murdermen, and only one guy who seems to have any interest in or aptitude for administration and statecraft. You'd think the Emperor would balance it out a bit more if he really intended them to be his perfect tools/subordinates. Perturabo does have sort of demented model train collector personality - maybe he was intended to be the infrastructure guy on the other hand, the Emperor is extremely evil. Maybe he really did intend the Primarchs as disposable weapons who could be eternally relegated to warfare at the edges of the Imperium, as Horus feared PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jul 30, 2018 |
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Part of the explicit design of the Primarchs and the Adeptus Astartes was that they were always meant to be disposed of after their conquest was over. Having the Primarchs be good at empire-building and keeping things stable doesn’t work well with that intent.
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