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this broken hill posted:the fisherman is really terrible help me lord. i regret this purchase Finish the book.
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 04:33 |
a foolish pianist posted:I just finished Curran's Dead Sea. It started pretty strong, but it overstays its welcome by quite a few pages, and the last act is pretty dumb.
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# ? Aug 8, 2018 18:39 |
this broken hill posted:the fisherman is really terrible help me lord. i regret this purchase it blows yeah. its truly bad
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# ? Aug 8, 2018 19:53 |
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epoch. posted:Finish the book. horror is in the doldrums at the moment but soon something horrific is going to happen irl and it will return to its former glory, i feel it in my psychic rear end
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# ? Aug 8, 2018 22:42 |
this broken hill posted:i did, i started skimming after 100 pages but got the gist of it all and honestly it wasn't worth it. the whole novel felt like a second-rate creepypasta that had been filled out to book size with the most bloated, turgid, dead-bland narration i've ever experienced in my drat life. that's just my opinion though and i may be feeling unusually vicious because i actually paid for it lol. it had good reviews! it had good reviews!! I wanted to be skeptical, because I really like the idea of the book and have heard good things about it, but honestly my experience with Langan's short stories is that they swing wildly between well-executed, fairly decent ideas to "bloated, turgid, dead-bland narration", sometimes within the same story. Thankfully I just requested it at the library and apparently they now approve purchase of any horror novels I suggest because this is like the sixth book I've asked for through ILL and had the library email to say "nah we'll buy it instead". Which I feel bad about, since a couple of the books they've bought have turned out to be either mediocre or outright bad. Also while I agree the knockout books have been sort of infrequent lately, I think a lot of it is that the best stuff is coming from lesser known authors or smaller publishers so they don't always get the reach they deserve. I'd think with the mini-renaissance horror is getting in the movie world right now, horror novels will start to come back in vogue outside us silly, hopeful genre diehards. Anecdotally I have a lot more of my friends asking me for recommendations based on movies they've liked in the last year than I have since I was in high school a decade ago.
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# ? Aug 8, 2018 23:03 |
There's a lot of great horror out there. I just don't recommend much anymore because I'm friends with a lot of authors and while I absolutely believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion, it's hard to read something as stupid asquote:the whole novel felt like a second-rate creepypasta that had been filled out to book size with the most bloated, turgid, dead-bland narration i've ever experienced in my drat life. about a book your friend wrote, even if I myself happen to think it's a mediocre novel. That poo poo right there is so loving hyperbolic as to be pointless. I mean, at the end of the day we're reading horror (or sci-fi, or fantasy, or whatever). Maybe once a generation you'll get someone like Shirley Jackson, and folks like Brian Hodge come around only a little more often, but some of you folks seem to expect every genre book you lay your hands on to be written at that level. It just seems absurd to me.
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 00:14 |
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As a rule, I generally like the books I read to be good, yes.
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 00:27 |
Origami Dali posted:As a rule, I generally like the books I read to be good, yes. Define good then. Requiring every book you read to be genre-defining seems a tad excessive to me, but tons of posters around here do just that.
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 00:37 |
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Criticism is needed and something authors have to have however, someones opinion on a book can help an author get better and fix things that they are doing that are fundamentally wrong. Also being able to understand where someone is coming from is important to understand why they think that book is bad. in my own personal bad book opinion In the house of Mirrors by Tim Meyer blows and I struggled to finish it. the characters were horribly one dimensional and just unlikable, the plot was almost comically inept and so similar to other works that it felt like a retelling of much better books. Hell the drat author synopsis is a flatout lie. If you want a good laugh read this book on your kindle unlimited but don't waste the money or audible credit Also the audible reader loving SUCKS
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 00:44 |
UCS Hellmaker posted:Criticism is needed and something authors have to have however, someones opinion on a book can help an author get better and fix things that they are doing that are fundamentally wrong. Also being able to understand where someone is coming from is important to understand why they think that book is bad. I don't disagree with any of this. It's the hyperbole that I find irritating. It's impossible to simply dislike a book for X, Y, and Z reasons. No, it has to be literally the worst thing you've ever laid upon eyes upon in your life, and reading it has left you emotionally and physically scarred and you are less a person now because of the book and so on. It's just..pointless. It doesn't actually relay anything about the book in question, it just tells others that you're kind of stupid. And to be clear, this isn't a problem limited to this thread of this forum, it's become widespread. This just happens to be where I'm bitching about it today .
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 00:52 |
chill, ornamented. it's a bad book.
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 01:43 |
chernobyl kinsman posted:chill, ornamented. Only if you promise to read volume 5 of The Familiar.
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 01:56 |
does anything happen in that one
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 02:39 |
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Ornamented Death posted:I don't disagree with any of this. It's the hyperbole that I find irritating. It's impossible to simply dislike a book for X, Y, and Z reasons. No, it has to be literally the worst thing you've ever laid upon eyes upon in your life, and reading it has left you emotionally and physically scarred and you are less a person now because of the book and so on. It's just..pointless. It doesn't actually relay anything about the book in question, it just tells others that you're kind of stupid.
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 03:55 |
chernobyl kinsman posted:does anything happen in that one No idea, I learned Danielewski wasn't for me after that flip book he did.
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 12:45 |
i will read every single volume of the familiar, then livestream myself cutting off my dick and balls and mailing them to danielewskis house
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:55 |
chernobyl kinsman posted:i will read every single volume of the familiar, then livestream myself cutting off my dick and balls and mailing them to danielewskis house
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 17:18 |
Not that I want to interrupt the self-emasculation chat, but I just finished Immaculate Void and it is quite good. It's my first real exposure to Hodge and I didn't really know what to expect (I didn't read any marketing anything on the book, so I actually expected it to be a little more sci-fi based on the name) but it was a very satisfying read and had a couple of really cool ideas in it. Also one of the few cosmic horror books I've read that actually features the "cosmic" part front and center.
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 18:42 |
Read more Hodge my friend.
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 21:01 |
Ornamented Death posted:Read more Hodge my friend. I've got Worlds of Hurt and Whom the Gods Would Destroy hanging out on my Kindle now, I'll likely jump on them soon. ...after I quit reading Amityville Horror because it's not very well written. Seriously, I wonder what this book would be like if it were written now, by someone competent, and not under the steam of the supposed "true story" origins. There's some interesting scares that happen in it but at this point I'm about ready to be done with it.
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# ? Aug 9, 2018 21:19 |
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Ornamented Death posted:Define good then. Requiring every book you read to be genre-defining seems a tad excessive to me, but tons of posters around here do just that. stephen king or better
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# ? Aug 10, 2018 02:06 |
genre fans' tolerance, even defense, of mediocrity is the absolute worst
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# ? Aug 10, 2018 03:57 |
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There's some really bad stephen king imo.
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# ? Aug 10, 2018 07:35 |
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Spite posted:There's some really bad stephen king imo. im willing to accept the worst stephen king as representing the lowest possible threshold for a “good book.” the regulators is still much better than skullcrack city
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# ? Aug 10, 2018 15:39 |
scary ghost dog posted:im willing to accept the worst stephen king as representing the lowest possible threshold for a “good book.” the regulators is still much better than skullcrack city This opinion is insane. Every single Stephen King book is worse than Skullcrack City. Maybe bizarro just isn't the genre for you?
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# ? Aug 10, 2018 16:00 |
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Ornamented Death posted:I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but you can't find horror stories with endings you like because they don't exist, because happy endings fundamentally do not work in horror stories. what if it ends with something happy from the POV of the monster
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# ? Aug 11, 2018 03:30 |
a foolish pianist posted:This opinion is insane. Every single Stephen King book is worse than Skullcrack City. Maybe bizarro just isn't the genre for you? lol
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# ? Aug 11, 2018 04:16 |
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i feel guilty about my harsh words now, so here is some actual measured criticism. if you know, or are, the dude who wrote the fisherman - i was being facetious, it's far from the worst book i've ever read and there was probably a really good 20k-word novella in it so my initial reaction was more from disappointment than anything else. but there just wasn't enough material there to sustain a book of that length. please, please resist the urge to pad the narration in future. i know lovecraft did it, but lovecraft's strength wasn't actually his writing, it was that he was an insane autistic racist with a phobia of shellfish and that gave rise to a unique worldview. there was some genuine good horror spots and ominous tension in the fisherman, but the general verbosity messed with the pacing and sparked a "get on with it already" response from me until eventually i just couldn't wade through anymore waiting for a pay-off that may or may not come. character voice is also not the writer's greatest strength. it got to the point where i was like three characters deep into nested flashbacks, but i was losing track of whose story was being told because all the voices sounded the same. however. it was not the worst book i've ever read. in fact it had promise. i'll read another book by the same dude if i see it in the library. i'm sorry for being mean (but if the next book is bad i'll be mean again)
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# ? Aug 11, 2018 04:44 |
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All the features in Langan's writing which you are describing are much more prominent (ie worse) in his novel House of Windows. It's valid criticism of Fisherman but to me it's also striking how much Langan's writing improved between the two books.
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# ? Aug 11, 2018 21:38 |
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a foolish pianist posted:This opinion is insane. Every single Stephen King book is worse than Skullcrack City. Maybe bizarro just isn't the genre for you? lmao skullcrack city is terrible and i challenge u to identify what designates it as “bizarro,” its boilerplate horror written for retards whose primary literary intake is SCP blogposts
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this broken hill posted:i feel guilty about my harsh words now, so here is some actual measured criticism. if you know, or are, the dude who wrote the fisherman - i was being facetious, it's far from the worst book i've ever read and there was probably a really good 20k-word novella in it so my initial reaction was more from disappointment than anything else. but there just wasn't enough material there to sustain a book of that length. please, please resist the urge to pad the narration in future. i know lovecraft did it, but lovecraft's strength wasn't actually his writing, it was that he was an insane autistic racist with a phobia of shellfish and that gave rise to a unique worldview. there was some genuine good horror spots and ominous tension in the fisherman, but the general verbosity messed with the pacing and sparked a "get on with it already" response from me until eventually i just couldn't wade through anymore waiting for a pay-off that may or may not come. character voice is also not the writer's greatest strength. it got to the point where i was like three characters deep into nested flashbacks, but i was losing track of whose story was being told because all the voices sounded the same. I know it's very likely that Lovecraft would have been diagnosed with some form of autism if he was alive today, but please don't be using it in the same context as calling him insane or racist
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# ? Aug 12, 2018 00:51 |
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ya just to be clear, when i said retards i meant extraordinarily stupid people, not mentally disabled people (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Aug 12, 2018 01:10 |
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though the difference can be subtle in some cases.
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# ? Aug 12, 2018 01:10 |
I didn't think The Fisherman was all that bad a read. I really liked a few elements in fact. Just super glad the greatest length wasn't written in the voice of the first narrator (although I found that evened out later in the book).
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# ? Aug 13, 2018 04:36 |
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Stephen King is scary in the same way jumping out and saying boo is
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# ? Aug 13, 2018 07:56 |
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Keep the spicy one-line takes coming, can't get enough of them!
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# ? Aug 13, 2018 09:16 |
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Anyway, just starting on Dan Simmons' SUMMER OF NIGHT. It's alright so far though it's early days. I think the comparison to King is going to be inevitable given the subject matter, but he kind of lacks his gift for how well he can sketch out a town and its characters. He tries for the same thing but at the moment I'm just thinking hang on, who's this he's introducing now. For people a bit more in the know, was there a decade when the genre was particularly prolific? I guess it's easy to say it really blew up big in the 80s, but for instance, what would horror fans have been reading in the 50s/60s?
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# ? Aug 13, 2018 20:21 |
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Ornamented Death posted:I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but you can't find horror stories with endings you like because they don't exist, because happy endings fundamentally do not work in horror stories. Horror has more trouble sticking the landing than just about anything else, and it's not always because the endings aren't happy. The format encourages limiting a reader's access to information, since too much familiarity with the horror makes it less scary. So it's like a mystery in that way, except until there's a reveal and the "clues" often don't add up. I'm specifically thinking of It, but that's not the only time a writer finished the puzzle but left interesting pieces in the box.
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# ? Aug 13, 2018 20:24 |
That's why horror tends to work best in shorter forms. The authors generally don't have the time to let the narratives get away from them.
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# ? Aug 13, 2018 21:14 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 04:33 |
moths posted:Horror has more trouble sticking the landing than just about anything else, and it's not always because the endings aren't happy. Well, not to mentioning ending on a a preteen gang bang. That's got to be up there for worst King endings, and that's saying something.
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