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Rhonne posted:We learned a very important thing about Shinso's quirk in this chapter: He can't make people talk or answer questions, so those theories about him being used to find the traitor is probably out the window now. I don't know that it's gonna be his role, but couldn't shinso just tell the people he mind controls to point to the traitor, or like nod their head if they are/shake their head if they aren't
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I'm not normally an anime guy, but I needed to kill time under slightly unusual and contrived circumstances recently and blew through this whole series in a week on a recommendation. It's pretty good! Hoping that Class A pulls it out here, partly to build up Shinso for his later fight (really hope that guy gets into heroics like he wants) and partly because I like the rest of his teammates too. Whenever Kaminari gets a chance to fight his way up from the bottom rung "class dunce" position is welcome. Would've been nice to see Kouda get a chance to shine, but looks like this won't be it. And of course Kirishima and Tsuyu's ongoing quest to climb from supporting cast to main cast should be supported whenever possible. I'll bet on the first four matches going A / B / A / B to keep the tension on the final fight, although possibly A / B / B / A depending on whether Todoroki or Bakugo could use a win or loss. Sorry to team 2A, but I think especially if team B loses in the first round they'll need to win the second to keep momentum and the class president of B being on team 2B is as good an excuse to have them win as any. Also while catching up on this thread I saw this link to a reddit post about the theme of imitation in the story, which I thought was very good, so thanks to whoever posted it! It especially helped in understanding Uraraka, and made what seemed kind of like the standard female lead romantic interest feel much more on-theme.
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Manatee Cannon posted:I don't know that it's gonna be his role, but couldn't shinso just tell the people he mind controls to point to the traitor, or like nod their head if they are/shake their head if they aren't Given that he thinks they couldn't even write out a word if ordered, anything conditional like that probably falls under the "using their head" restriction.
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I really hope we get a good 2/3 chapter fight for every match up. This is great stuff so far.
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Based on how she speaks, I'm wondering if Ibara is the Tokoyami of class 1-B.
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Neito posted:"I've never tested it, but it's highly unlikely I can brainwash multiple people simultaneously" It could just be he's lying. Aizawa would totally encourage that long game. LupusAter posted:I'vereas it as meaning that he can't brainwash two people at the same time if they both happen to answer to the same phrase. He can do it sequentially. Aaah this makes more sense nvm Cheston fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Aug 31, 2018 18:31
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Mraagvpeine posted:Based on how she speaks, I'm wondering if Ibara is the Tokoyami of class 1-B. only in the sense that they're really formal ibara is like that because she's morally upright to an excessive degree, tokoyami is like that because his dna contains an Edgelord gene
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I understand that narratively speaking 2B has to be roughly equal for there to be tension but it is kind of ridiculous that a class of regular students is working over kids who literally fought the yakuza Oxxidation posted:interesting how Class 2B has actually improved more because they've spent time learning and developing their skills in class instead of forging them in the fires of endless mortal peril
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Aug 31, 2018 18:39
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If it was a slugging match I'm sure Kirishima might've held his own better, but this particular 1B squad played the first round pretty smart. Especially the way that bestial student knew when to back off and cut his losses, he's the real McCoy.
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Aug 31, 2018 18:48
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Eej posted:I understand that narratively speaking 2B has to be roughly equal for there to be tension but it is kind of ridiculous that a class of regular students is working over kids who literally fought the yakuza I think it's more that 1A may have more real world experience but they also have spent a lot of time recovering from it. How long was Kirishima recovering from his beating? Even if it was just bruises and abrasions and even with Recovery Girl offering assistance that's still probably a week when you add PTSD counseling into the picture. Meanwhile 1B is just chugging along with the quirk training, strategy sessions, and training exercises. Keep in mind they all started from the same place. 1A had an advantage going into the sports tournament cause they had already been traumatized. They were already pushing hard cause they knew it wasn't all just games. Now that both groups are pushing equally hard it's a real question which will end up prevailing.
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Eej posted:I understand that narratively speaking 2B has to be roughly equal for there to be tension but it is kind of ridiculous that a class of regular students is working over kids who literally fought the yakuza they're not 'regular students' though, they're other trainee superheroes who go through the same sort of courses
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they're normal hero course students but they don't have all the live combat experience the main class has
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Eej posted:I understand that narratively speaking 2B has to be roughly equal for there to be tension but it is kind of ridiculous that a class of regular students is working over kids who literally fought the yakuza They're not just regular students, though, they're some of the country's top hero recruits being trained by top-tier teachers at an exclusive academy. The training also isn't just about developing their quirks, it's for teaching them how to dynamically work with other heroes to take down dangerous and specialized villains. On top of that, from Class 1-A only Deku and Kirishima had significant experience fighting against Yakuza who were worth their while. Ochaco/Tsuyu had extensive support from pro heroes and the police in their fights. Kirishima got flung into a Quirk that hard-counters him and captured -- not a great showing. Tsuyu, however, after being caught off guard came back and captured one of B1's two capture specialists and quickly came up with a plan to confuse and exploit Shishida. I'd say that's pretty good. edit: I think 1-A's "advantage" in live combat is being really overblown here. It's really just the USJ for most of them. 1-A and 1-B both got the same experience out of the Training Forest raid. Deku/Iida/Todoroki/Kirishima have most of the actual experience in live combat, and that's mostly a combination of having fought Stain and going off to pull off one (1) maneuver to rescue Bakugo. The rest of the class have been going through more or less standard internships and training. It's Deku really that has way, way more experience than anyone else: USJ, Stain, Muscular, Overhaul, Gentle Criminal. I think when Team 5 is fighting everyone will be surprised at how far Deku's come -- they haven't actually gotten to see him fight since the license exam. SKULL.GIF fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Manatee Cannon posted:they're normal hero course students but they don't have all the live combat experience the main class has turns out live combat experience isn't much of a leg up when it costs you weeks of training
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If Shinso gets called up to the big leagues at some point, who's going to get cut to make room? It'd feel a little anticlimactic if they just bump out someone we don't know at all from 1B or even the lesser-known 1As like Kouda or Sato. If someone's going to end up doing something that gets them marked for demotion or expelling, these fights would be a good time. We've never really seen Monoma do anything particularly heroic or likeable, have we? I could see a situation where he takes the rivalry too far and loses his place to Shinso.
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Brother Entropy posted:turns out live combat experience isn't much of a leg up when it costs you weeks of training live combat experience counts for more when they're actually fighting. aizawa and the other 1a students have noted as much at a few points. where it works against them is when they have to do things outside of that area, like the rescue portion of the license exam they did mention that the class with shinso is working at a disadvantage because he's new, they have no synergy, and he's just another person that could be captured. I figure the 1a team will lose with shinso now but maybe the 2b class will win with him? e: the one real big disadvantage that constantly having to fight villains has to 1a, at least right now in school, is that their powers are constantly on display and they have no time to think about or prepare for mock battles against other students. 2b has all the time and motivation in the world to prepare for 1a tho and it shows Manatee Cannon fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/kadeart/status/1035409935855583232
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I don't subscribe to this "Aizawa is using Shinso to root out the traitor" theory at all, because a) it would be completely irresponsible to push such a burden on a student b) his acceptance into the hero course would not be based on heroic merit, but by acting as a snitch to the school c) I just don't think there is a way for Shinso to use his powers to pinpoint the traitor (and I thought so before this chapter, as well).
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SKULL.GIF posted:On top of that, from Class 1-A only Deku and Kirishima had significant experience fighting against Yakuza who were worth their while. Ochaco/Tsuyu had extensive support from pro heroes and the police in their fights. I feel like this is a really odd distinction to make considering they were all thrown into life threatening combat all the same.
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Oxxidation posted:only in the sense that they're really formal But she says stuff like "lamb falling from the heavens" and sin and impurity.
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Mraagvpeine posted:But she says stuff like "lamb falling from the heavens" and sin and impurity. Yeah cause she is really religious.
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Mraagvpeine posted:But she says stuff like "lamb falling from the heavens" and sin and impurity. yeah she talks kinda like a street preacher
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Its because she’s Jesus with a crown of thorns guys
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It might also not be what she’s actually saying since this isn’t the official translation
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Dolash posted:If it was a slugging match I'm sure Kirishima might've held his own better, but this particular 1B squad played the first round pretty smart. Especially the way that bestial student knew when to back off and cut his losses, he's the real McCoy. Tsuburaba's quirk making soundproof boxes also made him a good counter to Shinso as well as Kouda; without that particular quality, and even after being captured he'd have been able to order Beast-boy (wait, no, that's not right) to chuck his companion away or something before that smack to knock him out of the brainwashing. Extremely bad luck for him there, though good reflexes on Tsuburaba's part; Shinso's voice-changing caught him and his partner off guard, but he reacted quickly enough to salvage what should have been game over, even if Tsuyu managed to snag him in the process. Quick thinking and reactions like that, combined with a very good capture quick, would serve him very well in future heroic endeavors. A shame his newfound fetish in a world where some people can actually eat you alive means he's probably doomed. RIP Tsuburaba, thought of vore and died. Terper posted:I don't subscribe to this "Aizawa is using Shinso to root out the traitor" theory at all, because a) it would be completely irresponsible to push such a burden on a student b) his acceptance into the hero course would not be based on heroic merit, but by acting as a snitch to the school c) I just don't think there is a way for Shinso to use his powers to pinpoint the traitor (and I thought so before this chapter, as well). Like I mentioned before, I think Aizawa training Shinso is just entirely genuine on his part and at least partly due to being able to relate to/see himself in the kid, given his comments during the tournament regarding the flawed nature of the entry exams (like Shinso, Aizawa's amazing quirk would have been completely useless there if he had to take it), as well as being scruffy-looking loners who get judged on superficial things and are nicer than they want to let on. And yeah, Aizawa probably wouldn't use one of the kids that way, since that'd be pretty irresponsible and potentially dangerous for them.
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Eej posted:I feel like this is a really odd distinction to make considering they were all thrown into life threatening combat all the same. I think there's a difference between delivering an assist for a very experienced pro hero (Ryukyuu) and a student who's practically already a hero (Nejire), and having to no-holds-barred brawl against Rappa and Overhaul knowing that if you lose you're likely to be killed. Granted you could probably fairly move Kirishima into the former category considering Fatgum was right next to him. My greater point was more that Deku is mostly the one who's actually gotten frequent combat experience compared to the rest of the class, anyway, despite 1-A's reputation. People like Kaminari and Kouda are about as experienced as the 1-B students.
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Flesnolk posted:It might also not be what she’s actually saying since this isn’t the official translation It was pretty similar in the anime subtitles.
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Roland Jones posted:Tsuburaba's quirk making soundproof boxes also made him a good counter to Shinso as well as Kouda; without that particular quality, and even after being captured he'd have been able to order Beast-boy (wait, no, that's not right) to chuck his companion away or something before that smack to knock him out of the brainwashing I don't think Shinso could have ordered Beast Boy to chuck his companion away with any speed.
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Flesnolk posted:It might also not be what she’s actually saying since this isn’t the official translation occam's razor: the girl with robes that evoke purity whose hair is worn in a classic saint style with crown of thorns symbolism who is always clasping her hands in prayer in a manga where people talk weird sometimes might have a religion gimmick
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TheKingofSprings posted:Its because she’s Jesus with a crown of thorns guys No, the thorns are the student, and the body is just a side effect.
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Dolash posted:Also while catching up on this thread I saw this link to a reddit post about the theme of imitation in the story, which I thought was very good, so thanks to whoever posted it! It especially helped in understanding Uraraka, and made what seemed kind of like the standard female lead romantic interest feel much more on-theme. This was super good, thanks!
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It's weird to think class 1a really has much on b when it comes to heroic knowledge. They suck at teamwork, quirk control, and rescuing people and have been shown as such repeatedly. Scenarios like them versus Stain, them versus the VA to save Bakugo, Deku vs Muscle man, and them fighting Yakuza look almost exactly like what they are taught not to do. But they prevail and have good hearts + fighting spirit, so they are going to be drat good heroes. It's good for keeping all might clutching his flames so he can teach Deku the proper way or for seasoned heroes like Night watch to die with hope in their hearts. In a shonen way, class 1a is amazing, but practically they have a long way to go.
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Midoriya put points in dexterity and intelligence, meaning he decided not to follow the All Might build
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1B has greater class unity and teamwork because they've trained more together and also see 1A as a common enemy, and 1A has shown little in the way of class spirit.
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Coffee Mugshot posted:Midoriya put points in dexterity and intelligence, meaning he decided not to follow the All Might build However it means he has a higher attack speed as well as buff/debuff duration and larger bonus AOE radius
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1B are just coming off a big victory over Class A in the culture festival so its pretty clear they've got the edge in these fights.
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Terper posted:1B has greater class unity and teamwork because they've trained more together and also see 1A as a common enemy, and 1A has shown little in the way of class spirit. 1A has tons of class spirit, they just don't have a weird grudge against the other class like 1B does. Like, I feel like 1B has been training specifically on how to counter 1A while 1A has been focusing on the real villains that keep trying to kill them. SKULL.GIF posted:It's Deku really that has way, way more experience than anyone else: USJ, Stain, Muscular, Overhaul, Gentle Criminal. I think when Team 5 is fighting everyone will be surprised at how far Deku's come -- they haven't actually gotten to see him fight since the license exam. I don't think Class B has seen Deku in action since the Sports Festival. So, unless Vlad King has been showing his class tapes of 1A's training sessions, they should all still think Deku breaks his bones every time he uses his quirk.
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Rhonne posted:So, unless Vlad King has been showing his class tapes of 1A's training sessions I mean this is certainly something Monoma would do himself.
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