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Vegeta's gotta be at least passively interested in Gohan because he's a proof of concept for the continuation of the Saiyan race
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grieving for Gandalf posted:Vegeta's gotta be at least passively interested in Gohan because he's a proof of concept for the continuation of the Saiyan race He still believed in him and tried to get him in the 6 vs 7 Universal Tournament.
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I just realized DBM never just did a universe where Gohan loved fighting and academics and became the strongest, smartest being in his universe. God DBM sucks.
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Covok posted:I just realized DBM never just did a universe where Gohan loved fighting and academics and became the strongest, smartest being in his universe. DBM's universes are largely precipitated by a single change causing the timeline to diverge, and Gohan being a nerd is too firm a universal standard to change.
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Sep 10, 2018 21:57
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the only setup you need for that universe is to have chichi die when gohan's a baby. gohan wouldn't even know how to read if goku was a single father
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Sep 11, 2018 08:38
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Raditz steals gohan and leaves. Kills Piccolo before he leaves and they don't learn about namek.
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Sep 11, 2018 08:45
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What the gently caress does Bulma see in Vegeta anyway?
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Sep 11, 2018 09:37
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Star Man posted:What the gently caress does Bulma see in Vegeta anyway? Well, first of all he's incredibly muscular and will remain at peak hotness until his 80s. Pretty sure the trophy husband thing is a part of it, or at least was at some point.
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Sep 11, 2018 10:10
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Guy Goodbody posted:I wanna know how that happened. Were they fans? Did someone on the staff have a connection to them? I'm not expecting like, an epic tale or anything. It's just really cool and it seems crazy that the bassist from Parliament and the guitarist from Guns n Roses wrote original music for Dragon Ball Z Buckethead writes so many songs a year that you can probably yell at him "hey do a song about my good friend trunks" and he'd do it eventually.
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Star Man posted:What the gently caress does Bulma see in Vegeta anyway?
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Sep 11, 2018 11:17
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Also, he's a fit guy with boundless energy and strength. He's a Bad Boy, yet for all his 'badness' he never hits her or is physically abusive in any way, and he hits her Goku switch, which got flipped when she saw Goku at the 23rd and then summarily had to be de-flipped once Chi-Chi got involved.
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Sep 11, 2018 11:46
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Also Bulma has very poor taste in men.
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Sep 11, 2018 11:57
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bulma dated yamcha so it's not like she has standards
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Sep 11, 2018 12:46
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Vegeta is a good dude
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Vegeta may have killed a civilzation or two, grilled people and eaten their flesh and murdered a few thousand people in cold blood without blinking but when all is said and done, he is a good man
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Sep 11, 2018 13:31
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Manatee Cannon posted:bulma dated yamcha so it's not like she has standards For ten years, she dated Yamcha for a decade
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Sep 11, 2018 13:35
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Zzulu posted:Vegeta may have killed a civilzation or two, grilled people and eaten their flesh and murdered a few thousand people in cold blood without blinking But he’s cool, so most people don’t give a poo poo. I think he gets off too easy. His karmic debt was kind of paid off via the ToP, I guess.
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Sep 11, 2018 13:40
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vegeta paid his debt at the end of dbz. that's why he was revived when they wished all the good people that buu killed back to life
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Sep 11, 2018 13:44
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Guy Goodbody posted:For ten years, she dated Yamcha for a decade I thought they had broken up by the last martial arts tournament which is why Bulma was all holy poo poo Goku got hot
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Manatee Cannon posted:vegeta paid his debt at the end of dbz. that's why he was revived when they wished all the good people that buu killed back to life Ehhhh, I don’t think saving one planet makes up for dozens or hundreds in his lifetime, but it set him on the right path, anyway.
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Sep 11, 2018 13:48
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Calaveron posted:I thought they had broken up by the last martial arts tournament which is why Bulma was all holy poo poo Goku got hot TBH I’m pretty sure they’re an on again/off again thing for like the entirety of DB, until Z when he fucks up.
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Sep 11, 2018 13:59
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Nanigans posted:Ehhhh, I don’t think saving one planet makes up for dozens or hundreds in his lifetime, but it set him on the right path, anyway. Good justice systems are about rehabilitation and Vegeta has definitely been rehabilitated by the end of Z
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Sep 11, 2018 14:05
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RBX posted:Vegeta is a good dude Now he is He wasn't for a very long time.
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Sep 11, 2018 14:06
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Nanigans posted:Ehhhh, I don’t think saving one planet makes up for dozens or hundreds in his lifetime, but it set him on the right path, anyway. Uhhhhh except the universe itself forgave him and acknowledged that he was a good person now when he was revived with the bring back every good person Buu killed
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Sep 11, 2018 14:08
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more importantly vegeta is a good... at fighting!
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Calaveron posted:Uhhhhh except the universe itself forgave him and acknowledged that he was a good person now when he was revived with the bring back every good person Buu killed I’m not arguing with you. I’m saying he was on the path to becoming a good person, so he got revived. But being a truly good person, as stated, is about rehabilitation and repentance and I don’t think helping to save Earth alone is enough. It took him doing some real soul searching, repairing his relationship with his family, and eventually saving the multiverse to put him in the camp of “formerly bad person trying to do good” to “good person.” It’s semantics, I guess.
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Sep 11, 2018 14:17
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Nanigans posted:Ehhhh, I don’t think saving one planet makes up for dozens or hundreds in his lifetime, but it set him on the right path, anyway. that's not how redemption works he was literally by definition a good person at the end of z. it's factually what happened
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Sep 11, 2018 14:19
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Zedd posted:I always got the idea that while Vegeta didn't like and wanted to kill him (until he mellowed out) he always did sort of respect Gohan after the Vegeta vs Goku fight. Goku blows past Vegeta all the time but Gohan actually ended up dealing not one but two of the biggest blows to Vegeta in that fight and the second one actually took him down. For all the hype surrounding Goku and Vegeta's beam clash it basically amounted to Vegeta getting a few scratches.
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Sep 11, 2018 14:26
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Calaveron posted:Uhhhhh except the universe itself forgave him and acknowledged that he was a good person now when he was revived with the bring back every good person Buu killed The wish wasn't for good people to be revived, it was for everyone, except the really bad, to be revived. Vegeta just made the cutoff.
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Sep 11, 2018 14:27
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Also I've been thinking about it recently and the real reason Gohan isn't the strongest in the universe is simply that he doesn't get pissed like he used to. Set him off good and proper like the old days and away he'll go
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Sep 11, 2018 14:29
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Manatee Cannon posted:that's not how redemption works Like I said, it’s semantics. We’re talking degrees here, not a binary good/bad switch. I don’t think the guy who gleefully murdered millions/billions? in his lifetime and just that same day killed a quarter stadium of innocent people was now all of a sudden Mr. Rogers. He realizes the error of his way and makes a conscious decision to be better, which =/= being better. But you go ahead and believe what you want. At the end of the day, we all agree he’s good now as of Super, so who cares?
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Nanigans posted:Like I said, it’s semantics. We’re talking degrees here, not a binary good/bad switch. I don’t think the guy who gleefully murdered millions/billions? in his lifetime and just that same day killed a quarter stadium of innocent people was now all of a sudden Mr. Rogers. The universe of dragon ball disagrees with you
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Sep 11, 2018 14:34
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Redemption isn't reparation.
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Andrast posted:The universe of dragon ball disagrees with you Rudoku posted:The wish wasn't for good people to be revived, it was for everyone, except the really bad, to be revived. Vegeta just made the cutoff. I mean, there you go. It doesn’t.
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Nanigans posted:I mean, there you go. So he’s literally not a bad guy anymore. Redemption successful 
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Sep 11, 2018 14:39
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if the idea that he has to save an equal or greater number of people to be redeemed held any water, that wish wouldn't have brought him back to life because he would still be unequivocally evil
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Sep 11, 2018 14:41
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I think you should also add up the power levels of everyone he killed or saved to really understand Dragon Ball. Now, whats the power level of an average Namekian?
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Sep 11, 2018 14:44
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On that subject I liked the part in the early U6 vs U7 arc when Goku was all hey Vegeta remember when you tried to destroy earth and Vegeta acts all embarrassed about it like it was a youthful indiscretion in the same vein as a bad haircut or lovely facial hair.
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Sep 11, 2018 14:47
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Zzulu posted:Vegeta may have killed a civilzation or two, grilled people and eaten their flesh and murdered a few thousand people in cold blood without blinking On the whole, Vegeta is a man of contrasts.
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vegeta is cool, do not attack his character
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