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Sgt Fox
Dec 21, 2004

It's the buzzer I love the most. Makes me feel alive. Makes the V8's dead.
Friend said they rebuilt their engine and it knocked horribly after assembly. Took it apart to find this:







Guess he dropped that into the intake. Dumbass.

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
A lock washer?

Ouch.

chrisgt
Sep 6, 2011

:getin:
I call bullshit on just rebuilt. That headgasket looks like it has tens of thousands of miles on it and the water passages are full of what looks like dexkill mixed with green coolant.
Maybe they just did a piss-poor job at cleaning the block surface and didn't give a gently caress about cleaning up the crud in the coolant passages? I mean, I guess I wouldn't doubt that given the inattention to leaving parts in the engine...
Replacing a headgasket doesn't mean rebuilding....

chrisgt fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Sep 17, 2018

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Honest to god question...does GM still use Dexcool?

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe
Nice craigslist rebuild.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Colostomy Bag posted:

Honest to god question...does GM still use Dexcool?

They do.

The real problem with Dexcool wasn't exactly the antifreeze itself...it was the gaskets that weren't designed for it. One of the anti-corrosion additives reacted with certain rubber/plastic materials. Also, people mixing it with "old" green antifreeze. Lots of companies use virtually identical antifreeze...it's just an OAT formula.

Also, coolant colors no longer mean a goddamn thing.

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

STR posted:

Yuuuup. Never seen a 96-00 Civic tach hit its mechanical limit before. :stare: Looks like an LX/EX cluster, so that tach only goes to 8k to begin with.... looked like upshifting was happening around 9k? Going by what I remember from my Civic's cluster, the speedo was probably around 90 MPH. The stock D16 gearbox would have had the stock D16 engine around redline (~6800) in 3rd at that kind of speed; the gearbox I bet he's running (either from a B16, or maybe a ITR gearbox?) has wayyyyy shorter gearing. I'd bet it spun past 11k. :stonkhat:

Crustashio, any data logging? It'd be kinda interesting to know what it actually spun up to. loving amazing it held together for a bit after that; the one money shift I did on a Honda lead to immediate knock knock jokes (but no windows, thank gently caress.. just slapped new bearings in and drove it into the ground, but that was an old boring A20). And it only spun up to about 8k on that shift.

It was running a stock B16 ECU, so fuel cut at 8200rpm. It's a JDM ITR gearbox so 2nd is 2.105 and 3rd is 1.458. My gearing spreadsheet says it would be around 11800rpm, but I don't think it actually spun that high or the motor would have just grenaded instantly. It made about 2 more laps before the power delivery started getting flat.

It was an original B17 with an untouched bottom end that did many years of racing in another car, so it wasn't unexpected. Just annoying because it only needed to make 2 more weekends. The wonderful thing about racing a honda is you can just amass a collection of spare motors for almost no money. I think we'll have a replacement motor ready for the next race in 3 weeks.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-jammyozzy.gif"><br>Is that a challenge?
I am tangentially aware of an instance where a car made a shift down from the top of 5th to 1st almost instantaneously, which span the engine up (briefly) in excess of 12k RPM.

It turns out the mechanical fuse in that motor was the crankshaft, which neatly divided itself into two.

The Door Frame
Dec 5, 2011

I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.

jammyozzy posted:

I am tangentially aware of an instance where a car made a shift down from the top of 5th to 1st almost instantaneously, which span the engine up (briefly) in excess of 12k RPM.

It turns out the mechanical fuse in that motor was the crankshaft, which neatly divided itself into two.

Jesus, was it an oldschool I8 or something? I've heard of journal bearing failures or warping cranks on V10/V12 engines, but never an actual shear

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-jammyozzy.gif"><br>Is that a challenge?

The Door Frame posted:

Jesus, was it an oldschool I8 or something? I've heard of journal bearing failures or warping cranks on V10/V12 engines, but never an actual shear

Nope, it was a thoroughly modern race motor. I can't really say any more without giving the game away so I'll stop now, but I am surprised as you about which part came off worst.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

jammyozzy posted:

Nope, it was a thoroughly modern race motor. I can't really say any more without giving the game away so I'll stop now, but I am surprised as you about which part came off worst.

Sounds like a E36 M3.

edit: should add, spoilers and stuff in the trunk. But it suffered badly from a downshift problem.

Colostomy Bag fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Sep 17, 2018

EvenWorseOpinions
Jun 10, 2017

Blue Footed Booby posted:

As a war nerd, the video set up expectations that were not met.

Edit:


A failure in a similar vein




:stare:
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/tail3.htm

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

AMISH FRIED PIES
Mar 6, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Didn't know Edsel made planes.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Horseshoe is upside‐down. All the luck fell out.

Sgt Fox
Dec 21, 2004

It's the buzzer I love the most. Makes me feel alive. Makes the V8's dead.

chrisgt posted:

I call bullshit on just rebuilt. That headgasket looks like it has tens of thousands of miles on it and the water passages are full of what looks like dexkill mixed with green coolant.
Maybe they just did a piss-poor job at cleaning the block surface and didn't give a gently caress about cleaning up the crud in the coolant passages? I mean, I guess I wouldn't doubt that given the inattention to leaving parts in the engine...
Replacing a headgasket doesn't mean rebuilding....

"rebuilt" by two friends of a friend who didn't know what they were doing. I suspect they did headgasket and heads. The coolant passages look like poo poo because they left water in it for a year and stored it outside. We got it for free and took it apart to see what they screwed up/scrap it.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

I'm guessing there was no cross wind when this plane was landed.

Terrible Robot
Jul 2, 2010

FRIED CHICKEN
Slippery Tilde

Cojawfee posted:

I'm guessing there was no cross wind when this plane was landed.

That looks like a Lancaster, in which case the rudders are at the outer edge of the horizontal stabilizers. The missing part is the entire rear turret compartment. loving RIP that dude.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

Crustashio posted:

It was running a stock B16 ECU, so fuel cut at 8200rpm. It's a JDM ITR gearbox so 2nd is 2.105 and 3rd is 1.458. My gearing spreadsheet says it would be around 11800rpm, but I don't think it actually spun that high or the motor would have just grenaded instantly. It made about 2 more laps before the power delivery started getting flat.

It was an original B17 with an untouched bottom end that did many years of racing in another car, so it wasn't unexpected. Just annoying because it only needed to make 2 more weekends. The wonderful thing about racing a honda is you can just amass a collection of spare motors for almost no money. I think we'll have a replacement motor ready for the next race in 3 weeks.

So I was pretty close on the RPM guess. :v: It's very possible it really did spin that high; the B16 and B17 bottom ends could take some serious poo poo without instantly blowing up. It had to have hit at least 10k going by the tach.

The B17 is pretty rare though. At least in the US, it only came in the 92-93 Integra GSR. Honda legos are fun though, I wouldn't mind owning another DA Integra or EG/EJ Civic. I had a lot of fun with both cars, even though they only got bolt ons. What motor will go in next? B16 or B18? I'll be pretty impressed if you say you have another B17 sitting around, most of them got blown up ages ago. Even 10+ years ago when I was into Integras, most of the 2nd gen GSRs I saw had B18 swaps (usually because of theft).

Speaking of, I saw a (visibly) unmolested 2nd gen GSR the other day. It's rare as hell to see a 2nd gen Integra in general these days, much more rare to see the 2nd gen GSR. And a stock one is a loving unicorn today.



Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Terrible Robot posted:

That looks like a Lancaster, in which case the rudders are at the outer edge of the horizontal stabilizers. The missing part is the entire rear turret compartment. loving RIP that dude.

Yep. This was also from falling bombs from friendly planes, and it’s not the only photo of a Lancaster like this I have seen. They bombed at night so I wonder how often this sort of thing happened.

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


Godholio posted:

They do.

The real problem with Dexcool wasn't exactly the antifreeze itself...it was the gaskets that weren't designed for it. One of the anti-corrosion additives reacted with certain rubber/plastic materials. Also, people mixing it with "old" green antifreeze. Lots of companies use virtually identical antifreeze...it's just an OAT formula.

Also, coolant colors no longer mean a goddamn thing.

Its insanely useful for communitating with dumbass customers. "No, you can't just use green. If you mix green and gold/red/blue/orange you get brown sludge and thats bad."

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Except there are several greens, at least two reds, various shades of orange, at least one purple, and god knows what else.

My '12 Jeep came from the factory with pink coolant. The dealer will top it (correctly) with bright orange. The Zerex I use at home is yellow-orange. The '13 Jeeps came with purple, and the dealer will (correctly) use bright red. Old green mixed with either of these is a disaster. New green...it depends who makes it.

The colors only matter to the manufacturer. There are no industry standards for this, which is ridiculous.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


If you can't afford the purple, just mix red with windshield washer fluid.

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


Godholio posted:

Except there are several greens, at least two reds, various shades of orange, at least one purple, and god knows what else.

My '12 Jeep came from the factory with pink coolant. The dealer will top it (correctly) with bright orange. The Zerex I use at home is yellow-orange. The '13 Jeeps came with purple, and the dealer will (correctly) use bright red. Old green mixed with either of these is a disaster. New green...it depends who makes it.

The colors only matter to the manufacturer. There are no industry standards for this, which is ridiculous.

Yeah, there are issues with overlap in color. But still it helps keep idiots from mixing stuff that shouldn't be mixed.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Powershift posted:

If you can't afford the purple, just mix red with windshield washer fluid.

After a radiator swap I topped off the fill tank with washer fluid. Fortunately I caught it but boy oh boy, was that a dumbass on me moment. My defense is both are simple flaps and next to each other. Apparently I can't understand pictographs.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Elmnt80 posted:

Yeah, there are issues with overlap in color. But still it helps keep idiots from mixing stuff that shouldn't be mixed.

Which I always got a chuckle with the green stuff now..."can mix with everything."

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

STR posted:

So I was pretty close on the RPM guess. :v: It's very possible it really did spin that high; the B16 and B17 bottom ends could take some serious poo poo without instantly blowing up. It had to have hit at least 10k going by the tach.

The B17 is pretty rare though. At least in the US, it only came in the 92-93 Integra GSR. Honda legos are fun though, I wouldn't mind owning another DA Integra or EG/EJ Civic. I had a lot of fun with both cars, even though they only got bolt ons. What motor will go in next? B16 or B18? I'll be pretty impressed if you say you have another B17 sitting around, most of them got blown up ages ago. Even 10+ years ago when I was into Integras, most of the 2nd gen GSRs I saw had B18 swaps (usually because of theft).

Speaking of, I saw a (visibly) unmolested 2nd gen GSR the other day. It's rare as hell to see a 2nd gen Integra in general these days, much more rare to see the 2nd gen GSR. And a stock one is a loving unicorn today.



What up NE dallas bro. Used to be my old hood. Had a friend with a Type-R back in the day and it was so fun, always wanted one.

chrisgt
Sep 6, 2011

:getin:

AMISH FRIED PIES posted:

Didn't know Edsel made planes.

:golfclap:

Frond
Mar 12, 2018

STR posted:

So I was pretty close on the RPM guess. :v: It's very possible it really did spin that high; the B16 and B17 bottom ends could take some serious poo poo without instantly blowing up. It had to have hit at least 10k going by the tach.

The B17 is pretty rare though. At least in the US, it only came in the 92-93 Integra GSR. Honda legos are fun though, I wouldn't mind owning another DA Integra or EG/EJ Civic. I had a lot of fun with both cars, even though they only got bolt ons. What motor will go in next? B16 or B18? I'll be pretty impressed if you say you have another B17 sitting around, most of them got blown up ages ago. Even 10+ years ago when I was into Integras, most of the 2nd gen GSRs I saw had B18 swaps (usually because of theft).

Speaking of, I saw a (visibly) unmolested 2nd gen GSR the other day. It's rare as hell to see a 2nd gen Integra in general these days, much more rare to see the 2nd gen GSR. And a stock one is a loving unicorn today.



Nice. My DA is on it’s way out, it’s gonna be a chump car next year most likely. I’ve noticed in the last 3 years their numbers have thinned considerably.

um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
A group I admin on Facebook has all sorts of really cool drivers from all walks of racing on it. Michael Dalton, a builder for the Flashpoint streamliner, posted this recently.











And the remains of the tire:

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

um excuse me posted:

A group I admin on Facebook has all sorts of really cool drivers from all walks of racing on it. Michael Dalton, a builder for the Flashpoint streamliner, posted this recently.











And the remains of the tire:



Wow. Right thread for the tire but entirely wrong for whatever kind of cage/safety system they have for the driver. 427 mph, over a mile and dude is fine.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


builds character posted:

Wow. Right thread for the tire but entirely wrong for whatever kind of cage/safety system they have for the driver. 427 mph, over a mile and dude is fine.

Exactly what I was thinking. That's a mechanical success, right there.

ExplodingSims
Aug 17, 2010

RAGDOLL
FLIPPIN IN A MOVIE
HOT DAMN
THINK I MADE A POOPIE


Rub that story in the face of anyone who says safety regulations ruin racing.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Frond posted:

Nice. My DA is on it’s way out, it’s gonna be a chump car next year most likely. I’ve noticed in the last 3 years their numbers have thinned considerably.

Nice, but now it is Champ Car.
(and yeah, I still go with chump)

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

ExplodingSims posted:

Rub that story in the face of anyone who says safety regulations ruin racing.

What do you think made the tire blow up in the first place? CHECKMATE

Vanagoon
Jan 20, 2008


Best Dead Gay Forums
on the whole Internet!
Is cutting a hole in the bellhousing a mechanical failure?

Honestly I just want to post this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIlCxj3-LhU

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

STR posted:

So I was pretty close on the RPM guess. :v: It's very possible it really did spin that high; the B16 and B17 bottom ends could take some serious poo poo without instantly blowing up. It had to have hit at least 10k going by the tach.

The B17 is pretty rare though. At least in the US, it only came in the 92-93 Integra GSR. Honda legos are fun though, I wouldn't mind owning another DA Integra or EG/EJ Civic. I had a lot of fun with both cars, even though they only got bolt ons. What motor will go in next? B16 or B18? I'll be pretty impressed if you say you have another B17 sitting around, most of them got blown up ages ago. Even 10+ years ago when I was into Integras, most of the 2nd gen GSRs I saw had B18 swaps (usually because of theft).

Speaking of, I saw a (visibly) unmolested 2nd gen GSR the other day. It's rare as hell to see a 2nd gen Integra in general these days, much more rare to see the 2nd gen GSR. And a stock one is a loving unicorn today.



Definitely don't have another B17. It actually had a B18 for the first few races this year, but it was overheating and down 50psi on 2 and 3 so we pulled it. Found valve contact marks on every cylinder but no bent valves so our guess is a PO overrevved it and slapped on a new head. Immediate plan is to assemble a B16 since we have 2 complete bottom ends and a collection of heads. I will eventually assemble another B18c bottom end with a B16 head. I really love the B series, they're dead loving simple to work with and 90% of the parts are interchangeable. Eventually I'd like to transition to K series but that will be when I have a nicer chassis.

ihop
Jul 23, 2001
King of the Mexicans

builds character posted:

Wow. Right thread for the tire but entirely wrong for whatever kind of cage/safety system they have for the driver. 427 mph, over a mile and dude is fine.

Yeah but if he hadn't been wearing his seat belt he would have been thrown clear immediately and not had to walk back so far.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

builds character posted:

Wow. Right thread for the tire but entirely wrong for whatever kind of cage/safety system they have for the driver. 427 mph, over a mile and dude is fine.

From a slightly different angle, aside from the excellent performance of the cage, the fact that it was on a salt flat and could tumble and skid to a stop over a long distance had to play a significant role in the driver walking away. Reduces the maximum G forces quite a bit compared to slamming into a wall.

(It's kind of amazing the driver didn't end up concussed anyways, the tumbling had to have been awful.)

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Beach Bum
Jan 13, 2010
That had to have been a wild fuckin' ride. How long does it take to tumble one and a quarter mile from 400+?

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