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correct me if im wrong but it seems like demsocs would be opposed to vanguardism, ie an 'undemocratic' group of people starting a revolution, but not a mass popular revolution if such a thing was possible
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overall DSA is still a lot more radical than it was before 2016 as a Harringtonian “left of the possible” group that basically wanted another New Deal.
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can someone compare the median salaries and overall budgetary expenses between columnists and executives and other staff at the nyt tia
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Grondoth posted:I'm pretty sure that's the definition, that Democratic Socialists eschew the idea of the revolutionary vanguard and the dictatorship of the proletariat in favor of mass mobilization and democratic referendums Oh yeah, I agree - I just brought up the screenshot the underline that I thought that NYT actually correctly expressed that idea rather than lumping them with all other leftists.
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Sep 24, 2018 00:40
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too many useless columnists writing bourgeois lifestyle and travel pieces
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:overall DSA is still a lot more radical than it was before 2016 as a Harringtonian “left of the possible” group that basically wanted another New Deal. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is basically a Berniecrat I'm really not getting where people ITT are acting like DSA is black bloc
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StashAugustine posted:correct me if im wrong but it seems like demsocs would be opposed to vanguardism, ie an 'undemocratic' group of people starting a revolution, but not a mass popular revolution if such a thing was possible Democratic Socialist in my experience is just a term anti-ussr leftists use to distinguish themselves from Marxist-Leninists. So opposition to vanguard party stuff ends up being a big part of it, yeah.
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lmao https://twitter.com/alexburnsnyt/status/1044006402589696001?s=21
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"The looming midterms, like all elections, will really be about which candidate has the skull shape that most indicates strong leadership." -Andrew Sullivan, probably
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lol the tribes are fundamentally about differing sets of values, which is Bad because politics should be about personality contests and running a better marketing campaign
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TBH I think, when dealing with how Clinton and most of the NYT view things, I think any sort of dividing up between doctrinal socialists and anybody else in the DSA is totally pointless. The DSA to them is a scary challenger to their dominance of the Democratic party that has to be put down. I don't think they understand that the anger people ITT and elsewhere feel against them is because of their total personal and political failures; they just see them as "angry" in the same way the GOP saw the Tea Party: as a bunch of reactionaries who won't sit down because they are too stupid to know what's good for them. There's also the danger (in their eyes) that if the new wing becomes strong enough, it will alienate the party from Wall Street, which of course was absolutely key to hildawg crushing TUMP in 2016. I mean, why in God's Name is Hillary Clinton even doing anything for the Dems anymore, after becoming one of the great American presidential goofs? My takeaway from her essay is that she has learned literally nothing from her 2016 "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride" of a campaign, but she's still around, well, to get rid of her would be to concede that the DSA has a valid point literally somewhere You know how David Brooks is more or less incapable of understanding why he's so wrong, because to grasp even the basics would give him narcissistic damage because as a first step, he's have to admit he was wrong about so many things? And he just chooses not to take the first step? Pretty much the same thing with the old guard Dems. The first step is a doozy, and it's one they just can't make. Anyway, y'all know this, I think regardless of how you think it cashes out. But I think if we're talking about how Democrats view things, one of the sides doesn't make any distinction, or even has a vague idea of what the hell is going on, aside from a threat to their power in their organization.
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Describing politics as tribalism is my favorite racist dogwhistle, because it implies that political convictions are merely a communal instinct devoid of ideology.
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my favorite communist revolutions are the ones that took and maintained power without mass support.
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This one will honestly get her fired in a just universe.
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A rape doesn't count if you can earn enough good boy points.
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https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1044058869910114304 Oh come on This essay is from two years ago, so the decision to tweet it at this particular moment is... suspect aware of dog has issued a correction as of 04:47 on Sep 24, 2018 |
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DOWD'S BACK. in navelgaze form https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/22/opinion/sunday/kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-anita-hill-clarence-thomas.html  it is my great shame that my wife shared this
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Nebakenezzer posted:TBH I think, when dealing with how Clinton and most of the NYT view things, I think any sort of dividing up between doctrinal socialists and anybody else in the DSA is totally pointless. The DSA to them is a scary challenger to their dominance of the Democratic party that has to be put down. I don't think they understand that the anger people ITT and elsewhere feel against them is because of their total personal and political failures; they just see them as "angry" in the same way the GOP saw the Tea Party: as a bunch of reactionaries who won't sit down because they are too stupid to know what's good for them. There's also the danger (in their eyes) that if the new wing becomes strong enough, it will alienate the party from Wall Street, which of course was absolutely key to hildawg crushing TUMP in 2016. I mean, why in God's Name is Hillary Clinton even doing anything for the Dems anymore, after becoming one of the great American presidential goofs? My takeaway from her essay is that she has learned literally nothing from her 2016 "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride" of a campaign, but she's still around, well, to get rid of her would be to concede that the DSA has a valid point literally somewhere Considering we're in the Eternal 2016 I'd say it's more Mr Bones' Wild Ride.
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Gunshow Poophole posted:DOWD'S BACK. in navelgaze form I remember in 12th grade AP English our teacher had us read two editorials, and I guess to keep it "bipartisan" or something one was by Maureen Dowd and the other was by George Will, lol. I wish I could say that I thought they were dumb, but honestly I don't remember much about them, and given I was a pretty standard liberal at the time I probably even liked the Dowd one (this was during the early Bush years).
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Good thing there have been multiple accusers Bari you fraud
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Jose posted:Good thing there have been multiple accusers Bari you fraud That was recorded on the 18th, but basically one requires a total lack of pattern recognition not to think that there may be more than one, let alone whatever brain matter must be missing to make that argument.
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Jose posted:Good thing there have been multiple accusers Bari you fraud Yeah that's why Klion posted it again: Weiss said it was just the one thing, only for a bunch more to have come out today, which makes Weiss look like an idiot (for not figuring out that of course there'd be more than one) and a monster (for using that excuse to begin with)
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remember though that there are at least 60 people who he didnt rape
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Sodomy Hussein posted:That was recorded on the 18th, but basically one requires a total lack of pattern recognition not to think that there may be more than one, let alone whatever brain matter must be missing to make that argument. Sodomy Hussein posted:That was recorded on the 18th, but basically one requires a total lack of pattern recognition not to think that there may be more than one, let alone whatever brain matter must be missing to make that argument. oh lol. it owns all these people doing these terrible defenses when they could have just pulled the nomination and picked some other person with his monstrous views. except he has specifically said he thinks that trump is immune to prosecution i guess
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these people want the sharia standard of 4 witnesses except they don't have to be exclusively male
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Jose posted:oh lol. it owns all these people doing these terrible defenses when they could have just pulled the nomination and picked some other person with his monstrous views. except he has specifically said he thinks that trump is immune to prosecution i guess it's because the vetting process for anybody else would go past the midterms, so they're stuck trying to nominate the serial rapist because they're afraid they'll lose the Senate.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:it's because the vetting process for anybody else would go past the midterms, so they're stuck trying to nominate the serial rapist because they're afraid they'll lose the Senate. No they wouldn't. It's that having someone who was just anti abortion wasn't enough The business groups and Trump all needed their pound of flesh. The only person who fit all three requirements was a slimy poo poo stain like Brett.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:it's because the vetting process for anybody else would go past the midterms, so they're stuck trying to nominate the serial rapist because they're afraid they'll lose the Senate. they could get someone perfectly reasonable to them confirmed through a democrat controlled senate still
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Jose posted:they could get someone perfectly reasonable to them confirmed through a democrat controlled senate still they don’t want reasonable, they want it all
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I think it's also the case that Kennedy's condition on stepping down was that he handpick his successor
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the failing new york times got their wish https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1044239845395128320
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Jose posted:they could get someone perfectly reasonable to them confirmed through a democrat controlled senate still A good idea, much like the dems welcoming the DSA for its infusion of fresh blood and new direction Not possible in this, the worst timeline
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lol they mad https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1044242839041966081 https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1044247673065410560
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ANOTHER WIN FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES
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