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BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Mel Mudkiper posted:

i don't care about any of those boring looking books op

Ballad of Reading Gaol is decent.

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Reading Gaol sounds like a name for this subforum.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Mel Mudkiper posted:

i don't care about any of those boring looking books op

I'm surprised you don't like Carson McCullers.

derp
Jan 21, 2010

when i get up all i want to do is go to bed again

Lipstick Apathy

vyelkin posted:

Reading Gaol sounds like a name for this subforum.

reading gaol: quit being a loving child

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

vyelkin posted:

Reading Gaol sounds like a name for this subforum.

reading gay-ol

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

It's pronounced jail.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

It's pronounced jail.

As the flinstones said, we'll have a gaol time. The be sent to Reading Gay (h)Old for homosexual practices.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

It's pronounced jail.

wrong

jagstag
Oct 26, 2015

smh I bet y'all have been pronouncing kafka wrong all this time too

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

jagstag posted:

smh I bet y'all have been pronouncing kafka wrong all this time too

His books were very kafkaesque. Which is something that wouldn't be lost on him.

Tim Burns Effect
Apr 1, 2011

100 pages in to "ulysses" and it owns and i hope i actually finish it this time

also i bought nabokov's lectures because of this thread and i read "dr jekyll and mr hyde" before reading the lecture but then i ended up skipping over most of it because it was mostly quotes from the book i'd just read but hey at least it finally got me to read it

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
The typical accusation against science fiction, no matter how revealed the characters are, is that it's more about the idea than it is about the people. What "genre" of writing would it be where there's a similar focus on ideas, but without the actual science fiction element to it.

I'm forced to think of dystopias. There may be unrealistic elements to it in the sense they're not set in our world, but the technology and setting is all believable. I can only think of dystopias because any examination of a large social idea, as it would need to be, inevitably ends in dystopian circumstances.

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

John dos passos is all about writing social fictions rather than individual fictions though, and he's p good. I think you could argue writing 'about the people' is itself about expressing a certain idea. But I get what you mean, that it's in practice usually a crude piece of speculation on one idea, usually a scientific one, rather than a system of connected ones developed from different arenas.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
Socialist realism.

Farg
Nov 19, 2013
I wanna read a lot about philosophy or maybe about literature itself, what's good

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

Farg posted:

I wanna read a lot about philosophy or maybe about literature itself, what's good

what kind of philosophy in particular


le mythe de sisyphe
chuangtzu's inner chapters

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Yeah, it's published by Penguin. There's also a censored and shortened public-domain one that should not be in print but is everywhere; avoid it at all costs.

A human heart posted:

It's pretty good and its really easy to read despite being very long

:emptyquote:

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Tree Goat posted:

what kind of philosophy in particular


le mythe de sisyphe
chuangtzu's inner chapters

Lol @ wade-giles romanisation

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

CestMoi posted:

Lol @ wade-giles romanisation

lo mitzu sisifi

jagstag
Oct 26, 2015

Tree Goat posted:

chuangtzu's inner chapters

drat when you go back to the 19th century warn them about the world wars

jagstag
Oct 26, 2015

CestMoi posted:

Lol @ wade-giles romanisation

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa
my edition is from 1974 : (

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

Farg posted:

I wanna read a lot about philosophy or maybe about literature itself, what's good

Little known gent known as Plato!!!

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Farg posted:

I wanna read a lot about philosophy or maybe about literature itself, what's good

borges essays

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

in terms of philosophy it really depends whethery ou want a kind of intro to whats been going on for the past 3000 years or just to read something good thqat makes you think. either waty just read the crowley translation of the dao de jing

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

J_RBG posted:

Little known gent known as Plato!!!

plato is legit good. start with the apology and symposium, and then just pick whatever. phaedrus is pretty good, and has that part about writing and memory that every media studies prof. loves so much

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
Read Aristotle if you want the good poo poo, Plato is for posers

Stuporstar
May 5, 2008

Where do fists come from?
Read them both and then get into long arguments with yourself about it.

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Read Aristotle if you want the good poo poo, Plato is for posers

I mean Plato is just really readable for philosophy, even in translation

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
Thanks, Hieronymous.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Thanks, Hieronymous.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
if i didnt have this thread to shitpost in id have to shitpost in literally every other thread on this subforum, which is definitely not what i just do anyway

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Sham bam bamina! posted:

Thanks, Hieronymous.

that was a strange derail

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa
read augustine

thehoodie
Feb 8, 2011

"Eat something made with love and joy - and be forgiven"

Tree Goat posted:

read augustine

Yeah for real. I've been thinking about City of God a lot lately. And he's not the patron Saint of partying for nothing

derp
Jan 21, 2010

when i get up all i want to do is go to bed again

Lipstick Apathy
i've been reading dead souls and am finding it Very Agreeable

K. Flaps
Dec 7, 2012

by Athanatos

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Read Aristotle if you want the good poo poo, Plato is for posers

You should be demodded for this post.



I've read Albertine Sarrazines La Cavale (In this years new translation into german). Wow, what a book! Being caught in the french prison system never seemed funnier. An autobiographical masterpiece from the unique perspective of a female prison inmate, something which hitherto has not been repeated except for Jojo's Bizarre Adventure 6: Stone Ocean.

Squashing Machine
Jul 5, 2005

I mean boning, the wild mambo, the hunka chunka

packsmack posted:

It's funny that you mention that about Gravity's Rainbow. I'm listening to that now and I was starting to wonder if I was just dumb. There's something about the constant perspective shifts that is making it hard to follow. I'm really digging the language though and some of the ideas are really cool. It's definitely one where I'll have to reread at some point. Hopefully when I have more time to actually read instead of having to listen to my books.

My advice for Gravity's Rainbow is to take acid and then read as much of it as you can during the comedown, you'll know you're ready when the cover stops looking like an animated gold Hearthstone card

Have you tried The Crying of Lot 49? It's much more linear and focused on the protagonist, but still has Pynchon's general attitude toward questionable reality. It also helps that it's about a fifth as long as Gravity's Rainbow (I got stuck about 2/3rds into GR for about three months and spent a lot of time feeling vaguely guilty about it, so having actually finished one of his books might have relieved that pressure a bit)

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


A screaming comes across the sky

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Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Uuuuh! Seek ye me?
i think everyone should read crying of lot 49 before any of pynchon's other books.

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