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does israel have like a nuclear triad or similar or just a bunch of bombs with no way to guarantee retalliation if they are hit?
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Real hurthling! posted:does israel have like a nuclear triad or similar or just a bunch of bombs with no way to guarantee retalliation if they are hit? Last I read Israel's nukes are all submarine-launched.
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Nov 7, 2018 03:06
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I guess they could always rather do the Samson Option than survive. bigots generally don't hand guns to the people they hate, even when they're facing an existential threat, because they justify their bigotry by convincing themselves that the group they hate is somehow inferior or untrustworthy to the point where they wouldn't be useful soldiers anyway note that people who oppose women in the military usually justify it by saying that allowing women in would actually weaken the military's total combat ability. not only do they think that women would make poor soldiers, but they also think that having women in the military would make the male soldiers less effective too also, countries with nuclear weapons never face existential threats
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Main Paineframe posted:bigots generally don't hand guns to the people they hate, even when they're facing an existential threat, because they justify their bigotry by convincing themselves that the group they hate is somehow inferior or untrustworthy to the point where they wouldn't be useful soldiers anyway In the last days of Nazi Germany they were training women in how to use panzerfausts. It doesn't matter how bad or bigoted you are, because when the conditions are obvious all of that goes flying out the window.
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Interesting side note to that is the Germans also took much longer to start employing women in production roles as compared to the Allies which iirc significantly hurt their relative ability to manufacture war materiel during the course of the war. It also hurt manpower because every man that had to be in a factory was a man that wasn't on the front. BC women don't belong in factories you see. They reversed that around '42/'43 but it was too late by then obv. Mind you the Germans would have lost regardless but still.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:In the last days of Nazi Germany they were training women in how to use panzerfausts. It doesn't matter how bad or bigoted you are, because when the conditions are obvious all of that goes flying out the window. But they didn't arm Jews, no matter how bad things got. In fact, they continued to waste resources and manpower on their extermination program right up until the end. Similarly, the subject of black soldiers was hotly debated in the Confederacy right up until the end. Although the Confederacy passed a bill shortly before the end of the war revoking the ban on black soldiers, it seems that Confederate authorities were reluctant to arm them and no black divisions actually saw combat. To quote one Confederate lawmaker, "If slaves make good soldiers our whole theory of slavery is wrong". The doctrine of white supremacy said that non-whites were socially inferior because they were mentally inferior, and that slaves were enslaved because they weren't mentally capable of being anything more than beasts of burden. To the true believers, proposing to arm African-Americans was as ridiculous as proposing to let cats become generals. And that quote from before was written after Sherman's March to the Sea, when Sherman himself happened across that guy's plantation, recognized the name, and personally ordered that it be burned to the ground. Sherman enjoyed it enough to specifically mention it in his memoirs, even. Though the clearest example of bigotry overriding war necessity that comes to mind off the top of my head is the Armenian Genocide, which began while the Ottomans were losing WWI, a war which had notoriously high manpower demands. In fact, lost battles were the excuse for the genocide - with the government arguing that the army would perform much better once the supposedly untrustworthy Armenian population was gone.
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Main Paineframe posted:But they didn't arm Jews, no matter how bad things got. In fact, they continued to waste resources and manpower on their extermination program right up until the end. The Nazi attitude to Jews isn't really comparable to their attitudes regarding women. Plus Jews were still essential slave labor if they weren't being exterminated. Women are all members of the national polity in a way that slave races and imperial subjects simply aren't, even if their rights and privileges are limited.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Nazi attitude to Jews isn't really comparable to their attitudes regarding women. Plus Jews were still essential slave labor if they weren't being exterminated. Women are all members of the national polity in a way that slave races and imperial subjects simply aren't, even if their rights and privileges are limited. it depends on whether the discrimination is merely an incidental consequence of a stratified society, or a fundamental element of group doctrine applying that to the Israeli context, I'd guess that the macho-misogynist "women just aren't as tough as men" folks would probably be perfectly fine serving along women in equal roles if there was a real need for it, while the Haredi would absolutely oppose any of their devout Orthodox boys having to share a foxhole with a woman - even if it were the only way to prevent Iranian troops from marching down the streets of Jersualem death is merely the end of one's mortal life, while having a sinful thought about a woman permanently corrupts your Haredi soul and reduces you to nothing more than a filthy secular, hated by God
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The Haredi already absolutely oppose being in a foxhole at all.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Haredi already absolutely oppose being in a foxhole at all. The only good Haredi opinion. War is bad.
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Main Paineframe posted:as ridiculous as proposing to let cats become generals.
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Been watching the Al Jazeera documentary and it's good
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MonsieurChoc posted:The only good Haredi opinion. the rabbis adjusted the religion to deal with the aftermath of the roman expulsion, i'm sure bibi will be able to convince them to adjust it again now that they are in a position of strength.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Haredi already absolutely oppose being in a foxhole at all. for the most part, but some are warming up to it under pressure, and the military is giving them a lot of special treatment to try to win more over
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Grondoth posted:Here I was, all smug and comfortable in the belief that all people around the world realized that the horrors of the past were horrors What's Hebrew for lebensraum?
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etalian posted:What's Hebrew for lebensraum? judea and samaria
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https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/11/gaza-officials-palestinians-killed-israeli-raid-181111211332303.html israel just launched an unprovoked assassination attempt on a gaza hamas official ending with 6 people killed, hosed up doing it quietly and had to use airstrikes to get their team enough space to get out.
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that seems like an extremely high-risk, low reward operation. in the best case scenario for israel they kill the guy, but he's then celebrated as a martyr and immediately replaced with an underling. in the worst case a bunch of commandos die with a massive blow to idf prestige. sending them in a civilian car jeez.
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etalian posted:What's Hebrew for lebensraum? 
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qkkl posted:in the worst case a bunch of commandos die with a massive blow to idf prestige. sending them in a civilian car jeez. You mean some commandos get "captured" and have to be "liberated" with another war?
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lmao, that map includes medina and maybe even mecca too good luck with that separately: i suppose we've been destabilizing that exact part of the world pretty significantly and israel is also currently more openly fascist than ever, perhaps there is some truth to the idea in a much more long term sense  edit: also separately, holy poo poo, 40 missiles!?
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prominent Hamas terrorist Noam Chomsky
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"judeonazis" Lmao that's even wilder then cryptojews
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That's not really a new thing. Leibowitz coined the term years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM2fXTkjU2E
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Real hurthling! posted:does israel have like a nuclear triad or similar or just a bunch of bombs with no way to guarantee retalliation if they are hit? They have second strike capacity.
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LMAO Liberman just resigned. Excpect to see new elections and/or tripling down on escalation of the conflict.
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lmfao this could get wild https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/israel-defence-minister-lieberman-resigns-gaza-ceasefire-181114111137338.html absolute crazy poo poo. this guy is from the uber-Likud, YB. that's the anna kachikyan party will netanyahu shift right to retain his coalition? is that possible?
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Very possible, but not to retain the coalition, rather to save face for any potential elections. There is a LOT of talk of accepting the ceasefire meaning that the government let Hamas get away scot free. I would be surprised if there won't be an escalation in hostilities before the end of the year.
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They're cracking down on all of these, everywhere: -boycotts -peaceful protests -information from Gaza and the West Bank -Facts and objective reality What the gently caress can we even do at this point anymore?
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staticman posted:What the gently caress can we even do at this point anymore? 
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Posting idle fantasy on a dead gay forum really is all anyone can do anymore, isn't it?
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staticman posted:Posting idle fantasy on a dead gay forum really is all anyone can do anymore, isn't it? Welcome to hellworld my friend.
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bloom posted:Welcome to hellworld my friend. Can biblical Armageddon possibly be any worse than this? Asking for a friend.
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effective tactics in asymmetrical warfare are illegitimate i said so those are the rules also ww1 submarines before sonar i mean HOW CAN YOU HIT THOSE THINGS SO F"UCJKIGN UNFAIR
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