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Atlas Hugged posted:The Hobbit films are gritty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM7byUTrSZA&t=182s
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How do you shoot a scene where an elf is jumping on the heads of dwarves in barrels floating over a waterfall and make it so dour and boring?
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Nov 14, 2018 17:58
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The executives greenlighting these fantasy series are idiots. They went "Hey everyone likes Game of Thrones, let's make that type of show!" Without ever understanding how GoT changed the fantasy genre. And instead of making shows that followed in GoT's footsteps, like The First Law, they greenlit Wheel of Time and LotR. At least greenlighting Kingkiller makes some sense cause it's got some inspiration from GoT and some from Harry Potter, two very successful things. They seem to know the tone they're going for with that show, even if the source material is incredibly uneven.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:13
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Ccs posted:The executives greenlighting these fantasy series are idiots. They went "Hey everyone likes Game of Thrones, let's make that type of show!" The TV show is going to play out exactly like Legend of the Seeker did for Sword of Truth. Patrick Rothfuss is this generation's Terry Goodkind.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:12
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Their tone is also inconsistent and the overall product is awful. Regardless, I don't think they're intentionally gritty. I think they tried to ground a children's story in the more adult interpretation that the Rings films are and it makes those movies way more gritty than they need or should be, even while including goofy garbage. I have no doubt that the show will double down on that garbage.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:17
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Benson Cunningham posted:The TV show is going to play out exactly like Legend of the Seeker did for Sword of Truth. So... Good and seemingly designed to intentionally piss off the original author? I'm game.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:30
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PJOmega posted:So... Good and seemingly designed to intentionally piss off the original author? I'm game. Yea, I loved that stupid show and their impeccable costume department.
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Nov 15, 2018 02:37
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Ccs posted:The executives greenlighting these fantasy series are idiots. They went "Hey everyone likes Game of Thrones, let's make that type of show!" That's a strange complaint. No matter how much GoT changed the fantasy genre, it's not half as influential as LotR. Additionally, the Middle-earth setting is very popular, as seen in the success of the LotR and The Hobbit films, or games like Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor. That's a big market to be tapped, and I doubt a series in that setting does badly if it's halfway decently done.
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Nov 15, 2018 06:26
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Torrannor posted:That's a strange complaint. No matter how much GoT changed the fantasy genre, it's not half as influential as LotR. Additionally, the Middle-earth setting is very popular, as seen in the success of the LotR and The Hobbit films, or games like Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor. That's a big market to be tapped, and I doubt a series in that setting does badly if it's halfway decently done. Did GoT really change anything? At best it took the typical mid/low fantasy setting and meshed it with the kind of shady politics and terrible acts that dark ages Europe was famous for. Even the whole 4-7 kings civil war was heavily rooted in the various conflicts in England and France for the crown among the upper nobility. As someone who read a lot of historical fiction set in the 800-1100s there's nothing in GoT that wasn't extremely commonplace in historical record. Maybe I don't have a good grasp on how dismal the fantasy scene was in the late 90s. Aside from Wheel of Time and Sword of Truth I can't remember anything major topping the best seller lists or getting front shelf display in Borders.
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Nov 15, 2018 06:55
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I mean there's what, Sword of Shannara and other garbage?
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It and Walking Dead have sort of changed expectations as far as how characters get treated. "No one is safe" and "awful things happen all the time" have become a bit more mainstream.
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Nov 15, 2018 08:49
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that's all well and good, but what does it mean to be a woman
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Atlas Hugged posted:And yet one of these streaming services has gone all in on gritty fantasy, having begun production on The Wheel of Time and Lord of the loving Rings. Riftwar was picked up by a studio not too long ago as well. E: first law is overrated garbage
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first law is amazing and you can see the influence of gritty hbo dramas in the way they're written (and joe ab's self-proclaimed love of deadwood and the like)
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Nov 16, 2018 04:39
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The First Law, actually, is bad.
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Nov 16, 2018 04:44
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Torrannor posted:That's a strange complaint. No matter how much GoT changed the fantasy genre, it's not half as influential as LotR. Additionally, the Middle-earth setting is very popular, as seen in the success of the LotR and The Hobbit films, or games like Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor. That's a big market to be tapped, and I doubt a series in that setting does badly if it's halfway decently done. But nudity and horrific violence would seem totally wrong in a Tolkien based series. GoT and those it inspired are much more interested in politics. There’s nothing mythical about the heroes, everyone’s a shade of gray.
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Ccs posted:But nudity and horrific violence would seem totally wrong in a Tolkien based series. GoT and those it inspired are much more interested in politics. There’s nothing mythical about the heroes, everyone’s a shade of gray. I dunno about that. There are absolutely good guys and bad guys in Game of Thrones. There's not really any gray to a Jon Snow or a Robb Stark or a Joffrey or a The Bastard
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Nov 16, 2018 06:30
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Sham bam bamina! posted:The First Law, actually, is bad. Compared to Gormenghast? Sure. Compared to Sanderson or Rothfuss? It's diamonds.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:13
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Benson Cunningham posted:Compared Fixed that for you. Sanderson caters to different tastes. Personally, I enjoy both of them (Abercrombie and Sanderson) a lot.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:23
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Torrannor posted:Fixed that for you. Sanderson caters to different tastes. Personally, I enjoy both of them (Abercrombie and Sanderson) a lot. Sanderson is basically writing Dragonlance quality novels. He's the bottom standard of the genre, and the only thing he ever wrote that would crack a generous 3/5 was Emperor's Soul.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:29
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Benson Cunningham posted:Compared to Gormenghast? Sure. BoTL is pretty explicit in why Abercrombie is "bad". Even comparing him to worse authors is pointless when the things about the book that weaken it are intrinsic to the genre and something very few authors care about to improve on.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:46
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If I'm just looking for a good time, I'd rather read a new Abercrombie or Sanderson than something "literary" like Ursula Le Guin or whatever. Rothfuss might go full retard like he did with Slow Regard and middle finger his core audience again, who knows.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:31
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Why the hell wouldn't you have a good time reading Le Guin?
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Nov 16, 2018 19:36
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The mindset that a book is either meaningless fun or a character-building chore genuinely disgusts me.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:38
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Different kind of good time. Sometimes I'd rather have diet coke than a good wine, you know?
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Nov 16, 2018 19:51
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Soda also disgusts me. 
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Nov 16, 2018 19:56
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Soda also disgusts me. Have you also considered destroying whoville so that they no longer are allowed the enjoyment of Christmas carols?
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Nov 16, 2018 20:00
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What I'm saying is that Reene should have read my mind and mentioned beer instead.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Why the hell wouldn't you have a good time reading Le Guin? LeGuin is the only good “wizards and dragons and Joseph Campbell” fantasy writer and that is a hill I will gladly die on.
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Nov 16, 2018 20:48
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Sham bam bamina! posted:What I'm saying is that Reene should have read my mind and mentioned beer instead. Okay fine. Sometimes you just feel like having a Tecate instead of a complex open-fermentation sour.
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Nov 16, 2018 20:59
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pentyne posted:BoTL is pretty explicit in why Abercrombie is "bad". Even comparing him to worse authors is pointless when the things about the book that weaken it are intrinsic to the genre and something very few authors care about to improve on. I have him blocked so I can't see his criticisms. What are they?
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Nov 16, 2018 21:38
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Benson Cunningham posted:I have him blocked so I can't see his criticisms. What are they? quote:“Northerner, eh?” asked a massive shape in the doorway. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Nov 16, 2018 |
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Nov 16, 2018 21:53
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Sham bam bamina! posted:In the main, that the books are emptily cynical and bound by genre conventions, without any ideals or real imagination of their own. He compares them to Tarantino's films, which he hates. He also quotes this indefensible "banter": What's the complaint? Swears are bad? That's puerile. It's a scene between two cunning idiots who are trying to rip each other apart. The characters in a scene color the prose of the scene. That's an element of good writing. My comparison points were Sanderson and Rothfuss. Sanderson's cardinal sin is this his characters lack complexity. Rothfuss has been discussed to death. Abercrombie is better than either by at least a step. The Northerners are basically the equivalent of deep south racists. It's fine to dislike them, but don't mistake that for bad writing.
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You know, a conversation with a friend actually made me question something. ARE Rothfuss's books popular? Like, I know there's a fandom, but it doesn't seem to have near the one that Game of Thrones has. It's known very widely ad you can talk to most anyone and they've heard of it. Most people I mention Kingkiller Chronicle to for any reason have never heard of it, and it doesn't seem to have gotten very audible acclaim that'd cause large public awareness.
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Benson Cunningham posted:What's the complaint? Swears are bad? That's puerile. It's a scene between two cunning idiots who are trying to rip each other apart. The characters in a scene color the prose of the scene. That's an element of good writing. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Nov 16, 2018 |
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Nov 16, 2018 22:46
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The way Stone-Splitter suddenly hurls his mask off and starts shouting makes me picture a 6 year old having a tantrum, not a big burly warrior.
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It doesn't even make sense. Why so much huffing and puffing over the idea that his opponent is lying? If he thinks it's a bluff, shouldn't he have the opposite reaction?
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Nov 16, 2018 23:07
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Is that excerpt from a book of wrestling color commentary?
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Nov 16, 2018 23:29
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Well here's a teaser clip from the upcoming Abercrombie movie https://youtu.be/8C4lK41SX-Q
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Ccs posted:The executives greenlighting these fantasy series are idiots. They went "Hey everyone likes Game of Thrones, let's make that type of show!" Uh, there are TV series for the Witcher and the Black Company that are supposed to be in production now. Both series pre-date GOT and are grimgrey if not full dark and less of a chore to read than GRRM's unedited tomes.
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