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On the subject of the Sabbat Crusade, can anyone outline the war in broad strokes? The way I understand it from reading the Gaunt books is Sabbat liberated the Sabbat cluster/rediscovered it in or about the 34th Millennium , and at some point the whole or parts of it fell to Chaos? But was it only recently or has it been like that for ages? Sometimes I get the impression the Ghosts arrive on a planet that just fell a few weeks before and the Crusade is more of a counter offensive than anything else, while other times I get the feeling Chaos've held on to the planets for centuries and built up functioning economies and fortress worlds. Its confusing, but I guess the answer is 'it depends on what kind of story Abnett wants to tell in a particular book'.
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Nov 14, 2018 11:01
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:There's a short story in the new Inferno with that plot, and yes it's good. I was referring to the new book by Nate Crawley. I have no idea what "the new Inferno" even is
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Nov 14, 2018 11:22
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It's not entirely clear if Tanith is in the Sabbat Worlds or not either. It's a function of story drift over time as Abnett went from "that guy who writes stories where the Guard don't all get executed or mindwiped at the end" to "that guy who drives the setting" with a lot of GW executive meddling. The short version is that the entire Sabbat Worlds unit was written off by the High Lords, but that pockets of Imperial loyalist control still existed, with varying levels of internal strife on those planets. Sometimes the Ghosts turn up to fight off The Big Push, sometimes they're liberating a long-held world. More recently they've been thrown into defensive actions against the counter attacks launched at the Crusade.
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Nov 14, 2018 11:24
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Tanith (the planet) is absolutely in tje Sabbat Worlds.
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Nov 14, 2018 12:58
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I thought the Sabbat Worlds only came under open attack from Chaos in the past century or two centuries, and that the Imperium was somewhat quick to respond and fairly quickly broke the main enemy's back and are now playing whack-a-heretic with the remnants. I've only read the first GG omnibus, but most of the Ghosts deployments seemed to be less "This world had fallen to Chaos and we're attacking to take it back" and more "Oh poo poo, turns out this hivecity was corrupted by Chaos and are now attacking the other cities". I think the enemy city in Necropolis was described as going silent only a year or two prior to the book starting, but the first three novels deal less with the overall war and more on the small scale fights.
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Nov 14, 2018 13:59
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The early books and the campaign book originally stated that in the past century chaos had started overrunning planets in the cluster until it became a threat the imperium could no longer ignore. Later books (everything after Blood Pact I believe) retconned it into a thousand year long infestation by Chaos because of Games Workshop's "bigga is betta" mandate.
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Nov 14, 2018 14:03
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Also, how ridiculous is it that the next city over goes silent and you just don't send anyone over to check for a couple of years? Warhams ridiculous, that's how.
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Nov 14, 2018 14:06
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Ah. But they were trade rivals
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Nov 14, 2018 14:12
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Arquinsiel posted:Also, how ridiculous is it that the next city over goes silent and you just don't send anyone over to check for a couple of years? Warhams ridiculous, that's how. Reminder that this is the same book where the leader of vervunhive's upper class exploded into a mutant the minute anyone asked him what the hell was going on. The most surprising thing is that Ferrozoica was only able to deploy twenty million brainwashed soldiers to the siege. I thought hives would be bigger than that. They must have had one hell of a civil war to deplete themselves that much before marching on vervunhive.
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Nov 14, 2018 14:20
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Libluini posted:I was referring to the new book by Nate Crawley. I have no idea what "the new Inferno" even is quote:Today sees the long-anticipated launch of Inferno! Volume 1, the first in a new series of short story anthologies that combine tales from new and up-and-coming authors with stories by Black Library favourites. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Inferno-1-eng-2018 Nate's also a goon, btw.
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Nov 14, 2018 14:59
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Arquinsiel posted:Also, how ridiculous is it that the next city over goes silent and you just don't send anyone over to check for a couple of years? Warhams ridiculous, that's how. I'd say that's absolutely typical of humans and we need look no further than our own gay planet to find myriad examples of sovereign states doing exactly that.
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Nov 14, 2018 15:03
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Biplane posted:I'd say that's absolutely typical of humans and we need look no further than our own gay planet to find myriad examples of sovereign states doing exactly that.
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Nov 14, 2018 15:30
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Going by the Fluffbook the basic gist is following: The sector known as the Sabbat Worlds got annexed by the Imperium waaaaaay back in M35. Liberated by the OG Saint Sabbat. Anyway, things are relatively calm for a couple of centuries until Chaos comes knocking on the door around M38 and decides to settle in on the edge and the sector light switches from green to yellow. Then early centuries of M41 rolls around where Chaos, led by an Archon, goes "Sup, all of this this poo poo is ours now" and begin invading in force. Jump forward some hundred years or so until 741.M40 where the Imperium flicks over the Sector light from Yellow to Red and declares the place lost. The exile sector governor is all "waah waah, I want my sector back now" and the High Lords is "Nope, not worth the expenses". This is where Slaydo rolls in. Slaydo is a man with an vision(tm) and that is to liberate the Sabbat Worlds. So he gets declared Warmaster after doing well in the Khulan Wars (which is where Gaunt also fought as a side note) and gets to work with that. So the Crusade officially begins in 755.M41 What's interesting to note is that the reasons as to why Slaydo wanted to do this was that he had a strong fascination in Saint Sabbatine and not something the book elaborates much on. Jumping forward another decade to 765 Balhaut happens. Which is the massive invasion of one of the major chaos strongholds in the sector. The most important thing in this case is that Slaydo dies and names Macaroth his successor as Warmaster. It's around this point the Chaos forces are shattered and bits and pieces of them just high tail it out of the area. Which includes a remnant fleet that torched Tanith in later 765.M41. Going forwards Macaroth is pretty much Napoleon with a number of daring and bold tactical moves that has Chaos reeling, especially after their top dog died during Balhaut. Then Blood Pact shows up alongside Urlock Gaur that sends them reeling until Hagia (well and a couple of other places) where the Saint is reborn. Admittedly this is where my memory gets hazy since I haven't read the actual books in a while now but the biggest thing is the civil war between Gaur's Blood Pact and Sek's Sons of Sek. (The latter being founded mostly because of jealousy as I recall.) Pretty sure the campaign is up around 780.M41 by now since the fluff book ends at His last command which takes place 775.
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Nov 14, 2018 16:13
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Inferno-1-eng-2018 Goddammit. Now they are making e-shorts of Inferno stories? I thought the whole point of Inferno was to decrease the excessive amount of ebook shorts that were coming out.
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Nov 14, 2018 16:19
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Arquinsiel posted:I am sure I have seen it somewhere on  . It's not a great scan, but it's readable.
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Nov 14, 2018 16:28
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berzerkmonkey posted:Goddammit. Now they are making e-shorts of Inferno stories? I thought the whole point of Inferno was to decrease the excessive amount of ebook shorts that were coming out. It's also disappointing. The email I got from Black Library made it look like a full novel. But eh, I've checked the price and at least it's only like 3 bucks, so it's not like they demand full price for it
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Nov 14, 2018 16:52
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Cooked Auto posted:Pretty sure the campaign is up around 780.M41 by now since the fluff book ends at His last command which takes place 775.
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Nov 14, 2018 16:55
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The time warp from Warmaster amounts to very little apart from being an excuse to declare Gaunt a war hero and get him an instant promotion from dog colonel to Lord General. The fact that the entire general staff of Macaroth's crusade have been sitting around on Urdesh for ten freaking years and the frontlines have barely changed is weird to say the least. That's the kind of attrition you'd expect to see on Aexe Cardinal during their century long World War 1 session, not the forefront of the entire crusade.
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Nov 14, 2018 17:12
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It's vaguely implied that something counter-attackey and salient reducing is happening ~*~over there~*~ somewhere and that the Crusade's momentum has stalled because of it, but yeah, it seems like a weird thing to just come back to.
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Nov 14, 2018 17:19
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they haven't been sitting on Urdesh for ten years, but that's where the Saint is when Gaunt returns, so that's where the Warmaster is, and that's why the general staff is there, because that's where Sek lured her. you fools. you imbeciles
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Nov 14, 2018 17:42
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Arquinsiel posted:Really? I am aware of states going incommunicado officially, but there's always some degree of awareness that people are still there doing the things they do via spies and the like. In Necropolis it's sort of implied that Manchester goes quiet and London just doesn't bother to check. Manchester though.
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Nov 14, 2018 19:16
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Orv posted:Manchester though. Manchester versus the Russians.
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Nov 14, 2018 19:48
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Did Bobby G start imperium secundus in unremembered empire, or before? I thought it was the former, but the cover from Vulkan Lives reads something like "as the war continues, all eyes turn towards Ultramar and Gilligan's new empire (...)" or some such. Worked my way halfway through the horus heresy again, and I'm trying to go a more chronological route this time.
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Nov 14, 2018 21:06
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A lot of poo poo is also happening at the same time that just shifts to different point of views.
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Nov 14, 2018 21:21
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Arquinsiel posted:Really? I am aware of states going incommunicado officially, but there's always some degree of awareness that people are still there doing the things they do via spies and the like. In Necropolis it's sort of implied that Manchester goes quiet and London just doesn't bother to check. That's nothing; In real life current political England, Manchester could go quiet and the majority of London would be surprised to find it had ever existed. Arcsquad12 posted:Manchester versus the Russians. Having lived there most of my life, my money is on Manchester.
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Nov 14, 2018 23:31
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I'd always imagined the verghastites as having Northerner accents to contrast with the Welsh and Irish Tanith, but when it finally clicked around Salvations Reach that they were space Russians I had to give them all Boris and Olga accents.
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Nov 14, 2018 23:46
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Shockeh posted:That's nothing; In real life current political England, Manchester could go quiet and the majority of London would be surprised to find it had ever existed.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:24
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Arquinsiel posted:Given recent experiences in Guildford, it's 50/50 whether any given English person would know that Ireland is not part of the UK so... I picked a bad example. Ireland is part of the UK. The Republic of Ireland, or Eire, is not part of the UK. The other part of the island of Ireland is. Shockeh posted:That's nothing; In real life current political England, Manchester could go quiet and the majority of London would be surprised to find it had ever existed. Large sections of London would notice. It would mean Arsenal or Chelsea would stand a chance of winning the Premier League (but not Spurs. They would Spurs it up too much).
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Nov 15, 2018 00:31
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Foxtrot_13 posted:Ireland is part of the UK.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:36
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Foxtrot_13 posted:Large sections of London would notice. It would mean Arsenal or Chelsea would stand a chance of winning the Premier League (but not Spurs. They would Spurs it up too much). I've always assumed they think our club (and that other lot in the swamp) are just from some fictional location, which is 'grim'.
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Nov 15, 2018 01:08
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Arquinsiel posted:Nope. Check Article 4 of Bunreacht na hÉireann. This whole "The Republic of" thing is just a polite fiction that we allow people to use sometimes. Polite fiction? You mean the Republic of Ireland Act 1948 didn't happen and clarify that in English it is the Republic of Ireland?
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Nov 15, 2018 21:33
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The constitution trumps the act, but the act just says that the "description" of the state is that, whereas the constitution defines the "name".
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Nov 15, 2018 23:56
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So when is ADB’s “Spear of the Emperor” being released? I can’t find anything on blacklibrary.com but according to ADB’s twitter some people already have the limited edition?
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Nov 16, 2018 08:42
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Miguel Prado posted:So when is ADB’s “Spear of the Emperor” being released? I can’t find anything on blacklibrary.com but according to ADB’s twitter some people already have the limited edition? Rumours that preorders are going up around the 20th.
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Nov 16, 2018 08:46
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Anybody got the new Mechanicus game? I wasn't going to pick it up but it actually has really good reviews on steam.
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Nov 18, 2018 21:44
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D-Pad posted:Anybody got the new Mechanicus game? I wasn't going to pick it up but it actually has really good reviews on steam. Good writing. Fantastic X-COM like combat with a few twists. There's no random hit chance for instance. If you're in range and have a line of fire, you'll always hit. Naturally the same goes for the enemy.
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Nov 18, 2018 22:18
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Ben Counter is the writer.
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Nov 18, 2018 23:12
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Groetgaffel posted:Good writing. Plavski posted:Ben Counter is the writer. 
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Nov 19, 2018 00:55
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Writing videogames and writing novels are different things. Apparently Ben Counter is better at the former than he is his actual job.  Or it's the fact that videogame writing almost always is paper thin and kinda bad, and anything more than bare minimum effort stands out.
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Nov 19, 2018 01:06
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It's nice to know he has step up his game and has not made Battle for the Abyss in video game form.
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