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The Slack Lagoon
Jun 17, 2008



My wife and I are looking to buy a couch, and a few furniture places offer 0% APR for like 5 years or something. We could pay for the entire thing up front - would it be dumb to do a payment plan for furniture if it is at 0%?

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DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost

The Slack Lagoon posted:

My wife and I are looking to buy a couch, and a few furniture places offer 0% APR for like 5 years or something. We could pay for the entire thing up front - would it be dumb to do a payment plan for furniture if it is at 0%?

If you're disciplined about it and don't screw up the payment somehow, not at all. In fact you'll get a slight advantage and aren't going to spend as much money if you compare the Net Present Value (NPV) though that's really a secondary consideration.

The problem comes because people screw up payments: they forget to pay the monthly bill, and get hit by all the interest; or they spend the cash they would have allocated for the couch, and end up overextended; or they take too long to pay it off or only do the minimum payment, and are caught by the interest that way.

FWIW I've leveraged 0% deals every time I could for big purchases, and I just set the money aside in a dedicated account for that purpose - usually some kind of interest-bearing account. Though I'll at least ask if there isn't a cash discount for payment up front, if that's an option.

Mocking Bird
Aug 17, 2011
I've never bothered with 0% when I had the cash - I prefer the simplicity of fewer/no payment plans to the potential opportunity cost. If it's a daunting purchase to use cash for, that tends to mean I haven't saved for it long enough.

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer

DarkHorse posted:

The problem comes because people screw up payments: they forget to pay the monthly bill, and get hit by all the interest; or they spend the cash they would have allocated for the couch, and end up overextended; or they take too long to pay it off or only do the minimum payment, and are caught by the interest that way.

I love YNAB as a budgeting tool, but one of their catchphrases is that you don’t need multiple accounts if you’re in control of your budget, and while I get the logic behind it, it’s just fundamentally not how people operate and I wish they wouldn’t push it so hard.

Also makes me wish more banks had the option to create budgeting sub accounts.

Fezziwig
Jun 7, 2011

Mocking Bird posted:

I've never bothered with 0% when I had the cash - I prefer the simplicity of fewer/no payment plans to the potential opportunity cost. If it's a daunting purchase to use cash for, that tends to mean I haven't saved for it long enough.

Also, a lot of places will offer a cash discount that they don't advertise if they also have 0% financing offers. No harm in asking.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down
First decision: can you afford the whole thing
Second decision: if yes, how best to finance it, if at all

In other words, do it if you can pay cash and put the amount in an account somewhere earning more than 0%.

Or just buy it and move on and save the cash flow.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

DarkHorse posted:

If you're disciplined about it and don't screw up the payment somehow, not at all. In fact you'll get a slight advantage and aren't going to spend as much money if you compare the Net Present Value (NPV) though that's really a secondary consideration.

The problem comes because people screw up payments: they forget to pay the monthly bill, and get hit by all the interest; or they spend the cash they would have allocated for the couch, and end up overextended; or they take too long to pay it off or only do the minimum payment, and are caught by the interest that way.

FWIW I've leveraged 0% deals every time I could for big purchases, and I just set the money aside in a dedicated account for that purpose - usually some kind of interest-bearing account. Though I'll at least ask if there isn't a cash discount for payment up front, if that's an option.

If you can finance for 5 years at 0% then probably do it. Ask if there is a cash discount, if there is then take the cash discount, if there isn't, then finance at 0% and immediately put the payments on auto pay. For what it's worth, I have literally never been in a furniture store that won't negotiate on price, even chain stores in the mall will almost always do it if you tell them you are ready to buy right now and ask them to get their manager for the best possible price. Best of both worlds, you get a discount and 0% financing for 5 years.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



I've never been able to get a credit check run despite being in the country and have a SSN for 2 years now. If I go to the ssa.gov website and try set up an account, I get the same error of mismatching info that I do if I try to run a credit check. I've tried both my current address and an older one in case it never got updated I moved. I filed a w-2 this year through my family's accountant, but I don't really know much about that side of things as I let them handle it all. Something is obviously wrong, but I don't know who I need to contact in order to fix it. Any ideas?

e: dug out the 1040 that was emailed to me, it has my current address and correct SSN on it.

EL BROMANCE fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Nov 12, 2018

Edgar Allan Pwned
Apr 4, 2011

Quoth the Raven "I love the power glove. It's so bad..."
Im paying off an old debt that was in collections. I wasn't aware about the Pay to Delete agreement I should have asked for before giving them money (it is a valid debt). should I request it before paying it off? I was planning on paying them today but I also want it off my credit report

BAE OF PIGS
Nov 28, 2016

Tup
I'm getting old and having to go to the doctor more than once a year (if that), so I decided to sign up for an FSA through work and just throw 500 bucks in, since if I dont use it, it will at least roll over.

When I inevitably have to pay a medical bill, do I pay right from that account? Or am I able to pay with a CC and then reimburse from the FSA?

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

BAE OF PIGS posted:

I'm getting old and having to go to the doctor more than once a year (if that), so I decided to sign up for an FSA through work and just throw 500 bucks in, since if I dont use it, it will at least roll over.

When I inevitably have to pay a medical bill, do I pay right from that account? Or am I able to pay with a CC and then reimburse from the FSA?

Both. They will issue you a debit card but you can also submit receipts for eligible expenses and have it paid to you.

WarMECH
Dec 23, 2004
The FSA for Federal employees lets you link your insurance numbers to the FSA itself and they automatically process any claims and deposit the money in my checking account a few days later. It has worked for all copays, prescriptions, and other doctor's office visits without us doing anything.

Sleepytime
Dec 21, 2004

two shots of happy, one shot of sad

Soiled Meat
Dumb question - I'm starting a new job soon, should I claim the personal exemption on the W4 ? I'm married with no kids and my spouse works.

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007
Grimey Drawer

Sleepytime posted:

Dumb question - I'm starting a new job soon, should I claim the personal exemption on the W4 ? I'm married with no kids and my spouse works.

Here's a calculator you can use to calculate it.

https://apps.irs.gov/app/withholdingcalculator/

I have my withholding allowances set to 3 currently and got a pretty small federal refund last year (which was my goal). I didn't redo it for 2018 I don't know if the new standard deduction will make that big a difference for me or not, I guess I'll figure that out later.

100 HOGS AGREE fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Nov 16, 2018

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

If you're a weirdo like me you can make a spreadsheet that calculates out what your expected tax burden will be based on your known sources of income, use another spreadsheet that calculates your withholding amount based on your allowances and biweekly post-deduction-pre-tax pay, and then use your current YTD tax withheld to figure out if your numbers are right. You also get to change your W4 every time your financial situation changes a little.


:coffeepal:

Don't be like me

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

Sleepytime posted:

Dumb question - I'm starting a new job soon, should I claim the personal exemption on the W4 ? I'm married with no kids and my spouse works.

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https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw4.pdf

JIZZ DENOUEMENT
Oct 3, 2012

STRIKE!
I need to double check my W4, I feel like I have way too much being withheld

gregday
May 23, 2003

Geez, Ally Online Savings is up to 2% now. I know this can’t continue indefinitely but it’s nice while it’s lasting.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

gregday posted:

Geez, Ally Online Savings is up to 2% now. I know this can’t continue indefinitely but it’s nice while it’s lasting.

It's offset by increasing inflation and higher lending rates in the economy.

In 2005 online savings accounts were pushing 5%.

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

Guinness posted:

It's offset by increasing inflation and higher lending rates in the economy.

In 2005 online savings accounts were pushing 5%.

ING Orange what up. Too bad I didn't have any money to save in 2005.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

gregday posted:

Geez, Ally Online Savings is up to 2% now. I know this can’t continue indefinitely but it’s nice while it’s lasting.

Historically speaking, it can continue for a long time, the era of 0% savings is a historical anomaly

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

Guinness posted:

It's offset by increasing inflation and higher lending rates in the economy.

In 2005 online savings accounts were pushing 5%.

I remember walking into a WaMu branch right before it collapsed offering 8% CDs.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

AndrewP posted:

ING Orange what up. Too bad I didn't have any money to save in 2005.

Same. I remember having $600 in my ING account and loving the interest.

moana
Jun 18, 2005

one of the more intellectual satire communities on the web
ING CDs were the first kind of savings I did on my own, loved that stupid little orange website. :3:

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country
I had a ING Direct checking account, the debit card was transparent orange and I thought that was the coolest thing ever.

Quabzor
Oct 17, 2010

My whole life just flashed before my eyes! Dude, I sleep a lot.
Is this the place to ask about options for a friend with a 20% interest rate on a auto loan.

Her credit score has significantly improved since she got that and now has her partner(with an 800 score) willing to cosign

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
Auto loans can be refinanced. Go to your bank or credit union and ask.

Quabzor
Oct 17, 2010

My whole life just flashed before my eyes! Dude, I sleep a lot.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Auto loans can be refinanced. Go to your bank or credit union and ask.

She spoke with her bank and they said they couldn't do anything and she have to talk to the dealer. The dealer of course told her to trade in for a new car for a better interest rate because nobody is going to refinance while she owes more than the car is worth.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
Go to a credit union. They're usually much better about consumer level loans.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Quabzor posted:

She spoke with her bank and they said they couldn't do anything and she have to talk to the dealer. The dealer of course told her to trade in for a new car for a better interest rate because nobody is going to refinance while she owes more than the car is worth.

finance companies issue loans all the time where people owe more than the car is worth - negative equity rolls, for one, and also the fact that the depreciation curve on almost any car is more steep than the repayment curve

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

finance companies issue loans all the time where people owe more than the car is worth - negative equity rolls, for one, and also the fact that the depreciation curve on almost any car is more steep than the repayment curve

Yeah but making a car dealer money by trading in and taking a negative equity roll with a 20% interest rate is a different proposition than going to a bank and asking them to refinance your underwater car loan at greater than 100% loan to value. I'm not saying nobody will do it but if you ended up with a 20% interest rate in the first place it is going to be a big ask. Paying the loan down until it is not underwater anymore will open up financing options and improve offered interest rates a great deal.

Quabzor
Oct 17, 2010

My whole life just flashed before my eyes! Dude, I sleep a lot.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

Yeah but making a car dealer money by trading in and taking a negative equity roll with a 20% interest rate is a different proposition than going to a bank and asking them to refinance your underwater car loan at greater than 100% loan to value. I'm not saying nobody will do it but if you ended up with a 20% interest rate in the first place it is going to be a big ask. Paying the loan down until it is not underwater anymore will open up financing options and improve offered interest rates a great deal.

I don't have much experience about lovely loans, but I figure the best course of action is try to talk to a few credit unions/banks into refinancing. Worst case scenario dump as much extra money towards the loan and try again in a year or so with a lower balance.

Small White Dragon
Nov 23, 2007

No relation.

gregday posted:

Geez, Ally Online Savings is up to 2% now. I know this can’t continue indefinitely but it’s nice while it’s lasting.
Are they the fave around here for online savings these days?

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Small White Dragon posted:

Are they the fave around here for online savings these days?

Ally, CapitalOne 360, Goldman Sachs Marcus, Barclays, etc. Take your pick they are all about the same.

Ally & CapitalOne are perennial goon favorites just because they've been around a long time.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Quabzor posted:

I don't have much experience about lovely loans, but I figure the best course of action is try to talk to a few credit unions/banks into refinancing. Worst case scenario dump as much extra money towards the loan and try again in a year or so with a lower balance.

Yeah, I mean even if he can't refinance through the CU for the car, a 10% interest personal loan will be better than that nightmare of a loan.

This is why you take care of your credit, and teach your kids to build it as soon as they can.

fuzzy_logic
May 2, 2009

unfortunately hideous and irreverislbe

I have a budget and am paying down my debt, but I just realized my new job pays me biweekly, and my budget is setup for semimonthly. I've only ever done monthly or semimonthly and I'm embarassed to admit but I feel like that dope from the Jon Bois video who can't figure out how many days are in a week. Every time I try to rebalance this budget I get confused. Right now I'm using the semimonthly budget and when i get an "extra" paycheck just throwing it at debt. Is this a sound method or should I be doing something smarter?

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
My first suggestion would be to use the YNAB method of only budgeting the money you have today. That means that every two weeks you would sit down and re-budget as soon as you get your new deposit.

This has the added advantage of making you rewire your brain to your new payment schedule faster.


If that’s not possible you could calculate what your salary would be on a semimonthly basis and use that?

So if you’re making 400 bucks every 2 weeks that’s the same as 28 bucks a day (400/14 rounded down). Then you just calculate what your hypothetical salary would be on Day 15 ($420) and use that.

It’s an extra step but if the change helps you out on sticking to your budget.

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007
Grimey Drawer
I just lived and budgeted like I got paid semimonthly and when the three paycheck months came around that third paycheck was just a bonus. Usually I just threw it at my student loans or in savings.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006

BLITHERING IDIOT AND HARDCORE DURIAN APOLOGIST. LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SHIT DON'T STINK EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW IT DOES BECAUSE I'M SUPER CULTURED.

fuzzy_logic posted:

I have a budget and am paying down my debt, but I just realized my new job pays me biweekly, and my budget is setup for semimonthly. I've only ever done monthly or semimonthly and I'm embarassed to admit but I feel like that dope from the Jon Bois video who can't figure out how many days are in a week. Every time I try to rebalance this budget I get confused. Right now I'm using the semimonthly budget and when i get an "extra" paycheck just throwing it at debt. Is this a sound method or should I be doing something smarter?

Assuming you're able to comfortably live in the 24 paychecks/year budget, this is a good approach. Treat the extra two paychecks per year as predictable windfalls, and throw the money at clearing your debt. Once the debt is under control, put them into savings instead.

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TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

Space Gopher posted:

Assuming you're able to comfortably live in the 24 paychecks/year budget, this is a good approach. Treat the extra two paychecks per year as predictable windfalls, and throw the money at clearing your debt. Once the debt is under control, put them into savings instead.

If you cannot comfortably live on the 24, put the extra paychecks into a buffer account and draw on it in the in-between months as you need to. Keep that approach up until you get to your next extra paycheck and you haven't touched it. Then congrats, you're living on 24 and can use those extra checks for other goals (debt, savings, emergency funds, etc.)

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