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A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Ras Het posted:

In one Pentti Linkola book he's like "what they're doing in Cambodia seems good, but I haven't really looked into it"

at one point they exported a bunch of endangered wildlife and nature products to china in exchange for more weapons, seems kind of unprimitivist 2 me

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WerthersWay
Jul 21, 2009

WerthersWay posted:

What's the best book on the French Revolution for a reader whose knowledge of the events is cursory? I've heard Citizens by Simon Schama is good but I'm looking for something a little more concise than 950 pages...

Checking in again. Pretend I said "warts and all" at the end of my question so you get mad online.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

WerthersWay posted:

Checking in again. Pretend I said "warts and all" at the end of my question so you get mad online.

I’m sorry you can only learn ideologically correct history here.

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

WerthersWay posted:

Checking in again. Pretend I said "warts and all" at the end of my question so you get mad online.

The Peter McPhee book that guy talked about is only like 500 pages

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
Christopher Hibbert's book is written for the general reader and is apparently very accessible.

Megasabin
Sep 9, 2003

I get half!!
I’m going to be visiting Israel and Jordan in December. I’m interested in digging deeper into the history of the area.

1. First and foremost like a book that details the ancient history of Israel (prehistory - 1000AD)

2. Then another book on the crusades period.

3. Finally a book on the creation of modern Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

If there is a good book that does 1&2 together or just a broad overview that’s fine, but out of all 3 topics I’m most interested in the early period, so I don’t want a book that skimps on that.

If there is a short book that can give me history on ancient Jordan (sites like Petra) as well that would be great.

Don’t know how I’m gonna read all of this in a month but I’ll try!

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
for the crusades, The Crusades: The Authoritative History of the War for the Holy Land. goes through all of 'em

e: by Thomas Asbridge

chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Nov 9, 2018

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

chernobyl kinsman posted:

for the crusades, The Crusades: The Authoritative History of the War for the Holy Land. goes through all of 'em

This one’s really good. I’m also fond of James Reston Jr’s Warriors of God but that’s very specifically focused on Richard the Lionheart and Saladin so may be a little more narrow in focus for what you’re looking for.

dokmo
Aug 27, 2006

:stat:man

Megasabin posted:

3. Finally a book on the creation of modern Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History by David W. Lesch

Megasabin
Sep 9, 2003

I get half!!
I think I asked for too narrow a scope when I asked about the crusades period earlier.

I’m reading a great book now on the ancient history of Palastine/Israel (Israel's History and the History of Israel by Mario Liverani), but it’s gonna end right before the Hellinistic period.

I plan to also read a book on modern history of the area, but I need something to fill in the gap between. I ignorantly asked for a book on the crusades, which is far too small a scope. I actually want something that will cover the 300BC - 1800, so the Hellenistic, Hasmonean, Roman, Byzantine, Crusades, Mamluk, and Ottoman periods.

This is a very wide scope and I’m not sure such a book exists. I find it difficult to search for this on google because the only things that come up are about the ancient history or the post-British mandate period. Anyone know of anything that covers he history this broadly? If not, maybe a few different books that cover those years?

Separate but related question. Will reading a book on the Israeli-Palastinan conflict like the one suggested above basically give me a good rundown on the modern history of the area? Will I be losing anything by reading a book that’s sole focus is the conflict of will I still get the general gist of all important events in the modern time period?




dokmo posted:

The Arab-Israeli Conflict: A History by David W. Lesch

I've read great things about this book, and often seen it compared to "A History of the Arab–Israeli Conflict" by Bickerton. Anyone have thoughts on a comparison between these two books? I ask because Bicerkton's book is available in digital format, and Lech's is not, and I prefer to read on my ereader whenever possible.

Megasabin fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Nov 13, 2018

Achernar
Sep 2, 2011
Could anyone recommend a book about the Medieval West African kingdoms (Songhai, Ghana, Mali)? If it also covers Sub-Saharan Africa (Kongo, Loango) or Kanem-Bornu that would be pretty nice as well.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
Michael A. Gomez, African Dominion: A New History of Empire in Early and Medieval West Africa

Achernar
Sep 2, 2011

chernobyl kinsman posted:

Michael A. Gomez, African Dominion: A New History of Empire in Early and Medieval West Africa

That's the one I had my eye on, I'll probably pick it up.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
it's really good. i actually just attended a talk by him the other day, cool dude

SecureUmbra
Apr 6, 2016
Return Of A King The Battle For Afghanistan, 1839-42 by William Dalrymple

Very readable and interesting.

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice
Just a recommendation, but I'm reading Douglas Smith's "Forgotten People", about the Russian nobility after the Revolution. Spoiler...it doesn't go well for most of them.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Epicurius posted:

Just a recommendation, but I'm reading Douglas Smith's "Forgotten People", about the Russian nobility after the Revolution. Spoiler...it doesn't go well for most of them.

Good.

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

I dont know. Politics aside, it's kind of draining to read. It's story after story of people being dispossessed and murdered or fleeing without anything, never knowing if they'll see their home again.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Yea kind of like what happened to millions of people during the murderous world war European nobility started. Or what serfs endured for a millenia.

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



Mantis42 posted:

Yea kind of like what happened to millions of people during the murderous world war European nobility started. Or what serfs endured for a millenia.

Yes. Human suffering is bad.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
except when it’s my ideological opponents suffering, then it’s good

Mantis42 posted:

Yea kind of like what happened to millions of people during the murderous world war European nobility started. Or what serfs endured for a millenia.

no those are really more like the millions who starved and died in the holdomor

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Epicurius posted:

Just a recommendation, but I'm reading Douglas Smith's "Forgotten People", about the Russian nobility after the Revolution. Spoiler...it doesn't go well for most of them.

Yeah this is a legit good book, both accessible to non-specialists and still with a good level of academic rigour.

smr
Dec 18, 2002

vyelkin posted:

Yeah this is a legit good book, both accessible to non-specialists and still with a good level of academic rigour.

Thirded. Not as depressing as some other books I've read on Russian history, but had its own level of crushing sadness.

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



Is Figes' book still the default to read on the Russian revolution? I recently read Peter Holquist's "Making War, Forging Revolution" and I'd like to refresh my knowledge of the revolution.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
Any good suggestions for books on FDR and the New Deal?

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

The Glumslinger posted:

Any good suggestions for books on FDR and the New Deal?

American Made by Nick Taylor is very good, though it focuses primarily on the Works Progress Administration.

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice
Michael Hiltzik's "The New Deal" is good, and so are, for more critical views, IRA Katznelson's "Fear Itself", which is a look at the compromises the New Deal made with segregationalist Southern Democrats, and Amity Schaes, "The Forgotten Man", which is a more critical, conservative look at it.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Epicurius posted:

Michael Hiltzik's "The New Deal" is good, and so are, for more critical views, IRA Katznelson's "Fear Itself", which is a look at the compromises the New Deal made with segregationalist Southern Democrats, and Amity Schaes, "The Forgotten Man", which is a more critical, conservative look at it.

There we go, I like Hitzik's LA Times writing, so I'll check that one out

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Minenfeld! posted:

Is Figes' book still the default to read on the Russian revolution? I recently read Peter Holquist's "Making War, Forging Revolution" and I'd like to refresh my knowledge of the revolution.

Figes's book is okay but he's kind of an unreliable weirdo which nobody knew when he wrote that book but everybody knows now, so a lot of people have stopped using his stuff as much.

There was a big wave of books on the revolution last year for the centenary, so there's no need to go to something 20 years old anymore. In my opinion the two standouts of the ones I've read personally or read reviews of or talked to others in the field about are S. A. Smith's Russia in Revolution: An Empire in Crisis, 1890-1928 and Mark Steinberg's The Russian Revolution, 1905-1921. Both are really excellent and aimed at non-specialist readers, and both are written by field-leading senior scholars who have spent their entire careers studying this time period in Russian history. You really can't go wrong with either one.

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



vyelkin posted:

Figes's book is okay but he's kind of an unreliable weirdo which nobody knew when he wrote that book but everybody knows now, so a lot of people have stopped using his stuff as much.

There was a big wave of books on the revolution last year for the centenary, so there's no need to go to something 20 years old anymore. In my opinion the two standouts of the ones I've read personally or read reviews of or talked to others in the field about are S. A. Smith's Russia in Revolution: An Empire in Crisis, 1890-1928 and Mark Steinberg's The Russian Revolution, 1905-1921. Both are really excellent and aimed at non-specialist readers, and both are written by field-leading senior scholars who have spent their entire careers studying this time period in Russian history. You really can't go wrong with either one.

I've been a little wary of Figes since the revelations about his Amazon review habits came to light. He didn't seem--as you say--reliable. I'll take a look at what you've listed here. Thank you.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
I know size isn’t everything but Figes book on the Russian Revolution is like 700 pages long excluding the index and bibliography while
most other books on the subject top out at like 300 which to me just seems too short to be an exhaustive account of the subject.

Just don’t read anything by Pipes.

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice
Is there anything else Figes did other than the fake Amazon reviews? Is there criticism of his scholarship, rather than general ethics?

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
scholarship is heavily entwined with reputation and being shown to be bugfuck crazy casts doubts on both

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
He may have made up a Soviet anecdote in The Whisperers.

twitch and spasm
Jul 21, 2010
Does anyone have recommendations for either the Habsburgs or for London?

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Epicurius posted:

Is there anything else Figes did other than the fake Amazon reviews? Is there criticism of his scholarship, rather than general ethics?

Yes.

https://www.thenation.com/article/orlando-figes-and-stalins-victims/

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.
It's a minor thing, I know, but I was always really puzzled/troubled by a throwaway line in People's Tragedy, where he blithely states that the Brusilov offensive was broken up by "air attacks", which seems unlikely in 1916.

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



I enjoyed The Whisperers. I got it when it came out and have it still in hardcover. That's insanely disappointing. Is there some other book that does the topic?

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Minenfeld! posted:

I enjoyed The Whisperers. I got it when it came out and have it still in hardcover. That's insanely disappointing. Is there some other book that does the topic?

I haven't actually read The Whisperers because Figes is such a weirdo so I can't say if they cover the exact same territory, but here are a few other books I like that deal with private lives under Stalinism:

Stephen Kotkin's Magnetic Mountain, which if you're into weighty tomes of history should be right up your alley. Less specifically about private life but includes a lot of stuff about how people learned to live with Stalinism.

Jochen Hellbeck's Revolution on My Mind, which in my opinion is the best book I've read on actual internal lives under Stalinism. Hellbeck got access to a pretty mind-blowing collection of personal diaries and so was able to write about people's subjective experiences of how they saw their lives during Stalin's time in ways nobody else has really been able to match yet. Really fascinating, especially if you're interested in the historiographical debate over whether or not people actually believed in the Soviet project or if everybody was just going along to get along.

Douglas Smith's Former People which is about a couple prominent aristocratic families through the late imperial, revolutionary, and early Soviet periods. Maybe the last third of the book deals with what happens to all these people under Stalin and it's really good, I recommend it in this thread all the time. Unlike the previous two it's also a popular history rather than one designed exclusively for academics, but the author has a PhD from UCLA and maintains a high level of scholarly rigour in his research and writing. I like it a lot.

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Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



I've read Magentic Mountain and I enjoyed it. I'll check out the others.

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