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What are some go-to, accessible mass-market-ish books on the French revolution? My grandpa has always been huge into one specific niche of history (the US civil war), but lately he's expanded a bit... first going into the time period around American independence, and now I'd like to try to nudge him into some extremely important Euro history.
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Drone posted:What are some go-to, accessible mass-market-ish books on the French revolution? My grandpa has always been huge into one specific niche of history (the US civil war), but lately he's expanded a bit... first going into the time period around American independence, and now I'd like to try to nudge him into some extremely important Euro history. Once again - I haven't read up on this, but I am enjoying the Revolutions podcast and there's a massive bibliography that Duncan used.
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Dec 3, 2018 17:25
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Drone posted:What are some go-to, accessible mass-market-ish books on the French revolution? My grandpa has always been huge into one specific niche of history (the US civil war), but lately he's expanded a bit... first going into the time period around American independence, and now I'd like to try to nudge him into some extremely important Euro history. The Oxford History of the French Revolution is a complete historical account and the 3rd edition just came out. Citizens is usually recommended BUT it’s definitely narrative history telling a specific story, and that story doesn’t cover everything and it ends before the Revolution does. It ends after Thermidor and doesn’t cover the Directory at all. Which is bad if you want a complete account of the Revolution.
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Dec 3, 2018 18:02
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The Oxford History of the French Revolution is a complete historical account and the 3rd edition just came out. How decent is it for an exclusively pop-history audience in terms of accessibility?
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Dec 3, 2018 18:13
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I think it's ok. Though, I've also heard it described as a "catalog of atrocities."
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Dec 3, 2018 18:57
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Minenfeld! posted:I think it's ok. Though, I've also heard it described as a "catalog of atrocities." Well I mean, that’s kind of what happened.
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Dec 3, 2018 19:55
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Minenfeld! posted:I think it's ok. Though, I've also heard it described as a "catalog of atrocities." That sounds badass
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Dec 4, 2018 00:23
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Minenfeld! posted:catalog of atrocities but enough about the french revolution,
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Dec 4, 2018 02:14
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well I mean, that’s kind of what happened. I mean every event can be boiled down to a catalog of atrocities if you want too.
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Dec 4, 2018 02:36
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particularly the ones that involve repeated massacres
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Dec 4, 2018 03:20
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chernobyl kinsman posted:particularly the ones that involve repeated massacres I said every event yeah. You would be hard pressed to find some that don’t.
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Dec 4, 2018 03:47
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there are plenty of events that don't involve massacres. most, even. i just went to the gym and came back without decapitating any nuns, for example
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Dec 4, 2018 03:50
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the french revolution brings out a particular kind of person with severe brain lesions who's willing to cheerfully step over mounds of slaughtered civilians while opining that you can't break an omelette without cooking a few eggs or whatever. it's bizarre e: i also love the braindead kind of relativism it takes to get to "well everything involves a little bit of massacre" because it works to excuse literally every historical occurrence while simultaneously preventing you from taking a moral stance on any of them like there are ways to defend the french revolution but that's uh not one of them chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Dec 4, 2018 |
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Dec 4, 2018 03:52
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chernobyl kinsman posted:the french revolution brings out a particular kind of person with severe brain lesions who's willing to cheerfully step over mounds of slaughtered civilians while opining that you can't break an omelette without cooking a few eggs or whatever. it's bizarre Agreed. It's defensible to say that in some cases it's necessary to do something as destructive as revolt, and that some revolts are strongly to the good on balance. But it's a case of committing an evil to avoid a greater evil (outside of palace coups which can be bloodless). But some seem to have no cognisance that something wrong will be involved, and take positive glee in the idea.
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Dec 4, 2018 06:19
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geez, you guillotine a few thousand filth spattered aristocrats and clergymen and 300 years later there's some guys on a web site still whining about it? settle down nerds.
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Dec 4, 2018 10:21
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More importantly on the pro-revolutionary tally, Louis XVI was a straight man who wouldn't bang his hot wife because of some penis condition that could've been easily fixed by a procedure like circumcision he was too scared to have done. Extremely hosed up to have such a guy as a leader.
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Dec 4, 2018 12:29
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The further we destroy the living planet the further back in history do we have to go to find examples of an ethical society. I'm currently at the Albigensians because I have the delusion that sustainable farming is possible
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Dec 4, 2018 12:39
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Neurosis posted:More importantly on the pro-revolutionary tally, Louis XVI was a straight man who wouldn't bang his hot wife because of some penis condition that could've been easily fixed by a procedure like circumcision he was too scared to have done. Extremely hosed up to have such a guy as a leader. He had two sons and two daughters, so there was at least some of that happening.
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Dec 4, 2018 12:41
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Epicurius posted:He had two sons and two daughters, so there was at least some of that happening. Yeah apparently it was some really awkward poo poo where a bunch of people would be in the room and Marie Antoinette would lie there while he inserted himself and baaaareeellly moved because it hurt his dick to do so. It sounded awful for everyone involved.
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Dec 4, 2018 12:43
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"Merry Christmas grandpa, here's a book I found for you about Louis XVI's cock!"
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Dec 4, 2018 12:47
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Neurosis posted:Yeah apparently it was some really awkward poo poo Yeah: Finally in 1777, Emperor Joseph, Holy Roman Emperor and Marie Antoinette’s older brother, arrived for a six week visit designed in part to sort the couple out. He spoke to both his sister and brother in law. We know of the advice he gave a couple from a letter that Joseph wrote to his own younger brother. Louis it seemed, was able 'to have strong, well conditioned erections',(3), however was unable to carry out the sexual act. Joseph stated that ‘this is incomprehensible, because with all that, he sometimes has nightly emissions, but says plainly that what he does, he does from a sense of duty but never from pleasure.' The Emperor stated quite frankly that if he had a chance to solve the problem sooner Louis, “would have been whipped so that he ejaculated out of sheer rage like a donkey”.(2).
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Dec 5, 2018 22:06
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chernobyl kinsman posted:scholarship is heavily entwined with reputation and being shown to be bugfuck crazy casts doubts on both making GBS threads on his rivals through amazon reviews is more petty and small-minded than it is crazy. I suppose greed is like a kind of madness, but I can imagine a historian being greedy and small minded and petty but also being a good historian. That said, I haven't read anything by this Orlando guy so I can't really say whether or not he's valuable as a resource.
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Dec 5, 2018 23:00
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Is there a general reader book on the poo poo that’s happened economically since 1980? Or 70s? Neoliberalism in general? If you look at all kinds of economic charts of wages, debt, etc etc, they all seem to have an inflection point around 1980. I got curious to the scene in hypernormalization where the banks exercise political power over NYC by refusing to renew bonds. But it’s an Adam Curtis movie. I’m looking for something a little more sober and less agitprop-y.
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Dec 7, 2018 18:12
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Ron Jeremy posted:Is there a general reader book on the poo poo that’s happened economically since 1980? Or 70s? Neoliberalism in general? If you look at all kinds of economic charts of wages, debt, etc etc, they all seem to have an inflection point around 1980. I got curious to the scene in hypernormalization where the banks exercise political power over NYC by refusing to renew bonds. But it’s an Adam Curtis movie. I’m looking for something a little more sober and less agitprop-y. I haven't read it but David Harvey's A Brief History of Neoliberalism might do the trick for you. I have read Mark Blythe's Austerity: The History of a Dangerous Idea and it isn't exactly what you're looking for but it's pretty close and it's legitimately incredible.
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Dec 7, 2018 18:19
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Ron Jeremy posted:. I got curious to the scene in hypernormalization where the banks exercise political power over NYC by refusing to renew bonds. But it’s an Adam Curtis movie. I’m looking for something a little more sober and less agitprop-y. This isnt so much a look at the whole question of austerity, but if you're interested in the fiscal crisis in New York City with the banks refusing to renew bonds and such, there's Kim Phillips-Fein's "Fear City: New York's Fiscal Crisis and the Rise of Austerity Politics".
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Dec 7, 2018 21:06
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Any recommendations pertaining to the occupation of France during WW2?
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Dec 14, 2018 03:47
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Any recommendations pertaining to the occupation of France during WW2? I've got a kind of unconventional suggestion, which is David King's "Death in the City of Light", which is about the hunt for a serial killer in Paris during the occupation. It largely focuses on the murders and the investigation, but along with that comes complications of the occupation...the military authorities and the Gestapo and their relationship with the Paris police, the relationship between occupied France and Vichy France, questions about collaboration and resistance, the Holocaust, and all sorts of other issues. Spoilers for those interested in some of the irony inherent in the situation. A lot of the people that the killer, Marcel Petoit, murdered were Jews and resistance members....he ran a fake escape route, where he said he had ways to get people out of the country for a fee. He'd actually take their money and kill them. So you had the police and Gestapo hunting down somebody who was murdering Jews and members of the French resistance, while at the same time, the police and Gestapo were hunting Jews and members of the French resistance in order to murder them.
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Dec 14, 2018 04:49
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recommendations for a biography of Huey P. Newton?
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Dec 14, 2018 05:25
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Any recommendations pertaining to the occupation of France during WW2? Sarah Farmer's Martyred Village is pretty good. It's about one incident in June 1944 when the Germans marched into a village, killed everyone present, and burned it to the ground. Farmer looks at how and why this happened, and then the long life of this event in French memory, because it was chosen for preservation as a symbol of the occupation. So it's a book about the occupation, but it's also a book about France's national memory of the occupation.
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Dec 14, 2018 05:44
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Any good books about history of literature?
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Dec 15, 2018 17:52
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I'd like more French Revolution histories that recognize the truth of the famous Mark Twain quote
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Dec 15, 2018 20:16
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I'd like more French Revolution histories that recognize the truth of the famous Mark Twain quote C'mon, which quote, for us ignoramuses?
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Dec 15, 2018 20:26
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Count Roland posted:C'mon, which quote, for us ignoramuses? Probably from his Connecticut Yankee... quote:There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves. Twain has his numbers wrong on deaths from the reign of terror, and the time period, but that's the quote. That being said, I don't know of many works about the French Revolution that don't look at the condition of France before the revolution.
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Dec 15, 2018 20:41
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Fat Samurai posted:Any good books about history of literature? What literature? And at what level?
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Dec 15, 2018 22:32
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Any recommendations for Bill Clinton's presidency or the 1990's in general?
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Dec 16, 2018 18:03
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Does anyone have some suggestions for books on ancient Assyria, Sumeria or Babylon?
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Dec 28, 2018 20:17
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Any books out there about the history of persecutions against Jews in Spain leading up to the Alhambra Decree that kicked them out?
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Jan 2, 2019 05:50
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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > The Book Barn › The History Book Rec Thread!
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Jan 2, 2019 14:29
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StrixNebulosa posted:The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > The Book Barn › The History Book Rec Thread! It's a bit of a paradox, in real life it's much easier to talk to people about that neat non fiction book you just read than about your crazy fantasy book conspiracy theory, while on the internet it's exactly the other way around. I don't find it that surprising that we only talk about which history books to read and rarely have discussions about their content.
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I think a lot of times discussion about the content would gravitate towards the relevant thread elsewhere on the forums (mainly D&D).
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