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HenryJLittlefinger posted:What’s the published hp/torques? https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s/ (click the SR toggle) Peak torque: 116 ft-lb (157 Nm) Peak power: 70 hp (52 kW) @ 3,500 rpm ignore the RPM really, there's no transmission, direct drive to the belt pulley. 0-60 is something around 3.1s but that's really speaking to the bike's strength, power drops off after 80mph and it has trouble getting over 100 (though at my altitude it'll probably go a bit higher).
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right arm posted:lost the link, but I saved the photo. from like mid september I think? Ahh this is super neat. I'm not too worried about the rims being soft, this bike shouldn't see anything like that kinda use. Mostly just a gravel road blaster and some backwoods singletrack.
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Ulf posted:https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s/ (click the SR toggle) So that’s power delivery like a hot thumper around 700-800 cc? Sign me the gently caress up.
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Dec 4, 2018 10:04
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 Seasons greetings from Norway.
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Okay I realize this sounds stupid but as someone who has only driven sports bikes on dry warm asphalt, how does that work? How do you not die? My first reaction is that the snow would give in right away and they are a tree ornament.
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Dec 4, 2018 17:30
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Studs and knobbed tires with m+s rated rubber really really helps. It's totally insane how much studs help. + we ride slow. If it's hard packed snow sole or +2 inches of snow over ice we hit maybe 25 mph. That's for me to ride safely and arrest the front from washing out randomly, which it really likes to do. Clear ice is so much better to ride on, and we may hit 50 mph. Keep in mind that you can't really stop fast either, or do fast course corrections, so I ride passive as gently caress. My nx250 is pretty drat low and light weight also so dragging legs on real nasty places, like with slush frozen into ice ruts is no problem. I would not do this on something I couldn't flat foot on both sides easily. It's still 100% focus, but I'm getting much more relaxed now the second winter. + that's why I dress like a snowmobiler, be varm and comfortable so you only focus on the road, not your cold everything. I image a tw200 on studs would be pretty drat fun, sadly those are rare and overpriced here.
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Dec 4, 2018 18:31
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Z3n posted:Ahh this is super neat. I'm not too worried about the rims being soft, this bike shouldn't see anything like that kinda use. Mostly just a gravel road blaster and some backwoods singletrack. yeah I'm sure you'll be fine, especially since you're ditching a lot of the heavy rear end stuff that exists on an 1190 and I'm just guessing that dude didn't clear a double based on that photo  keep posting about it, cause both projects rule
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:So that’s power delivery like a hot thumper around 700-800 cc? Sign me the gently caress up. Hell that's CR500 territory.
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Dec 8, 2018 03:15
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opengl128 posted:I really want to try one of those. The closest dealer that sells them never got back to me about a demo ride even though Zero's website made it sound like they have no problem doing them. Wonder if they do demo days. Other guy already answered but I can give other answers to Zero stuff. I have a fair bit of experience with them.
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LodeRunner posted:Other guy already answered but I can give other answers to Zero stuff. I have a fair bit of experience with them. Have the electronics/programming gotten a lot better? I rode a Zero years ago and one of the big issues I had was that the throttle response was horrendous. You could literally count a few seconds before the coding caught up to your wrist inputs. A charger under my desk at work, and one at home would cover most of the area I commute in and leave me plenty if I wanted to go out after work (I work a 10 hour shift.)
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Skreemer posted:Have the electronics/programming gotten a lot better? I rode a Zero years ago and one of the big issues I had was that the throttle response was horrendous. You could literally count a few seconds before the coding caught up to your wrist inputs. A charger under my desk at work, and one at home would cover most of the area I commute in and leave me plenty if I wanted to go out after work (I work a 10 hour shift.) Obviously the R models are going to be a lot more responsive with the larger controller but I would say yes, decent throttle response. Also when they switched over to IPM motors in 2015?.. they run a lot cooler as well. Still no traction control, though, so inexperienced DSR owners continue to power through wet turns or hit painted spots of the road and spit the bike out from underneath them.
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It wasn't raining today (which is rare this time of year), so took the XSR out for a spin. 
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Dec 9, 2018 22:57
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it's been cold in portland at 3am lately  
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For me, even riding in a dry 6 degrees c feels like the road constantly trying to freeze the tyres, it's like walking a tightrope trying to go fast enough to keep some temperature in them but not dying cause it's still cold and humid. Near zero is a whole nother level of nope.
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Dec 10, 2018 06:58
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right arm posted:it's been cold in portland at 3am lately What bike is this? The dash is very nice looking.
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Dec 10, 2018 16:12
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I test rode an R1150RT the other day in about 15 degree weather. Electric windshield, heated grips. I wasn't even cold. Amazing experience. Only problem is the bike would be totaled after doing that 3 times in the salt.
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Slavvy posted:For me, even riding in a dry 6 degrees c feels like the road constantly trying to freeze the tyres, it's like walking a tightrope trying to go fast enough to keep some temperature in them but not dying cause it's still cold and humid. I rode gifford pinchot in the literal ice and it was uhh hairy to say the least. rain mode definitely saved my rear end on that heavy rear end bike Kastivich posted:What bike is this? The dash is very nice looking. KTM 1290 SAR. the dash is very nice. I prefer it over the TFT on my 1200 GSA. especially since you can get turn by turn directions from your phone (using the KTM app) mirrored to the dash
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Dec 13, 2018 01:01
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I'm not normally a fan of weird shaped headlights because manufacturers usually screw them up, but that one looks really sweet
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Sagebrush posted:I'm not normally a fan of weird shaped headlights because manufacturers usually screw them up, but that one looks really sweet agreed. I wish the same one was used on the 790, but that one looks a bit odd imho the cornering lights kick mega rear end too. way better than the ones on the multistrada I tried out
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Dec 13, 2018 17:36
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I do not like KTMs, as a general rule. I really like this KTM. 
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HandlingByJebus posted:I do not like KTMs, as a general rule. I do too 
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how actually capable is that thing offroad? i was impressed by the 990s. the 24 hour enduro i rode earlier this summer had a team with one on it and i think it ended up doing the most laps on their team. their BMW adv bike broke down and had to get towed back to pit, but the africa twin did ok too i think
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Razzled posted:how actually capable is that thing offroad? i was impressed by the 990s. the 24 hour enduro i rode earlier this summer had a team with one on it and i think it ended up doing the most laps on their team. their BMW adv bike broke down and had to get towed back to pit, but the africa twin did ok too i think really depends on how much dirt biking you've done in your past. all the adv bikes are pretty heavy, but I grew up riding motocross and holding up my dads XR500 while he took smoke breaks out in browns camp so it's nbd for me it kicks rear end though! the shinkos are good on just about everything save for sand and mud, but I've ridden in plenty of both, but it is a slog. the TKC80s it came with were far better for riding singletrack, but I killed those in a bout 1000 miles. 160hp is not nice to those tires. something like a motoz tractionator would probably be ideal on this bike, but I ride far too much pavement to waste money on knobbies but really, if I wanted a more capable off road bike I'd probably look at the 790 adventure R over the AT. the AT I rode was too boring for being as heavy as the 1290. I love the LC8 too much to step down to KTM's p-twin, but I am attempting to convince a buddy to put a deposit down on one
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so does that thing just easily power wheelie with barely any throttle in 3rd? How do you not unicycle around with that much power paired with that geometry?
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GriszledMelkaba posted:so does that thing just easily power wheelie with barely any throttle in 3rd? How do you not unicycle around with that much power paired with that geometry? haha if you turn off the traction control and ABS and ride around in sport mode, then hell yeah it will but there's a ton of fancy electronic poo poo that mellows it out a whole hell of a lot. basically you've got: sport: 160hp, quickest throttle response, least ABS/TC interference on front/rear, but still is there to save your rear end street: 160hp, normal throttle response, normal ABS/TC (I use this for 2up since it's a bit smoother on acceleration) rain: 100hp, sedated throttle response, most ABS/TC (kicks rear end in PNW rain since I ride year round) offroad: 100hp, normal throttle response, normal ABS for front wheel, ABS deactivated for rear (so you can slide the rear on cornering and descents) and TC lets the wheel spin 2x as fast as the front so yeah. it's quite a different bike in all the different modes, but yes, it'll wheelie all drat day
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right arm posted:really depends on how much dirt biking you've done in your past. all the adv bikes are pretty heavy, but I grew up riding motocross and holding up my dads XR500 while he took smoke breaks out in browns camp so it's nbd for me ah good to know, yeah the new 790 advr was on the short list. i've been kicking around the idea of selling all my bikes for a nice one that can do the TAT trip across the states. had hoped to do that trip once with my dad before he hangs up riding
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Razzled posted:i've been kicking around the idea of selling all my bikes for a nice one that can do the TAT trip across the states. DR650 don't cost THAT much. Seriously though, I tried the "sell all bikes for a nice ktm that does everything" and it wasn't all I thought it would be. On the other hand, it was totally awesome and rad.
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Coydog posted:DR650 don't cost THAT much. Seriously though, I tried the "sell all bikes for a nice ktm that does everything" and it wasn't all I thought it would be. If you know so much about the DR650, why won’t you answer my messages?
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Consolidating a fleet of differently abled bikes into one fancy bike that does it all is always a losing gamble in one way or another but I never tire of watching people try it, how you come out the other end says a lot about your personality. Scenario one is you buy a bike that can pretty much do everything your previous three did to a moderate degree and is reliable and practical. Congrats, you now own a large Honda, the sparkle is gone from your eyes, the world is without wonder, the rest of your life will be spent curating maintenance spreadsheets in Excel and the occasional outraged visit to the dealer to buy an overpriced indicator lens. Scenario two is you buy a ktm, BMW or ducati that can do most things your previous bikes did to an excellent degree, along with some saucy extra features. Congrats, you have now entered the consumerist vortex of endless accessories, poo poo-talking at the cafe, bench-racing 'advanced' features of questionable utility and rocking yourself to sleep in the fetal position after every parts/repair bill, hysterically mumbling your mantra of superior german engineering/I could race this if I wanted to!/it's got character that moves my sooouuul (select one as appropriate) over and over again. Some people never climb out of this bucket and just accept being a hopeless middle aged man for the rest of their life (women are smart enough to avoid this poo poo entirely). Others see the futility, decide what kind of riding they like the most, look at their bank account and buy/sell appropriately.
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Consolidating bikes never works out, just buy more bikes
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I'd definitely rather have more bikes, but I'll still engage in doodling fantasy do-everything bikes on scrap paper when I'm bored at work, because my inner five-year-old demands it and I refuse to grow up.
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ain't nothing wrong with having a nice bike
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Jazzzzz posted:Consolidating bikes never works out, just buy more bikes this is what I did but the SAR is easily my bike I ride the most. 7k miles on it since buying it in July I think? 
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Renaissance Robot posted:I'd definitely rather have more bikes, but I'll still engage in doodling fantasy do-everything bikes on scrap paper when I'm bored at work, because my inner five-year-old demands it and I refuse to grow up. Read Foale's book as mentioned in the other thread and you'll get yet another reminder that a bike that can do everything isn't really possible*, nor particularly desirable. From that it follows that the majority of ADV bikes sell because of marketing-driven fantasy and not their actual qualities, but you knew that already. Seeing as bikes are a compromise between various opposing demands, a longer list of demands always results in a more watery compromise. In the case of the rather tasty SAR above, you could argue that it's an attempt at a compromise between a dedicated mid-size enduro (so lets say 690 enduro) with a very powerful sport-tourer (superduke GT). A 690E is itself a compromise between a real dirt bike (lets say a 520EXC) and a regular midsize roadster (duke 690); it's not as good on the dirt as an EXC but can go on the road and handle acceptably, it's not as good on the road as a duke 690 but doesn't embarrass itself on dirt. A superduke GT is also a compromise between an insane dongbike (regular SD), and a geriatric touring machine (no KTM examples available); it's not as light or nimble as an SD but lacks the giant fairings, pillion accommodation and various other size/weight-adding features of a true tourer. So if each of these bikes can do their two roles half as well as a dedicated machine, it stands to reason that the SAR is able to do three roles a third as well. This is borne out in reality if you compare the bike to the 'root' bikes above. Compared to an SDGT, the bike has power it can't hope to put down on knobbies nor use at high speeds thanks to the tall suspension and poor aerodynamics, the forks can't fully control the bike at high corner speeds because they also have to function on dirt, the skinny wheels and ADV tyres have poor grip in corners. Compared to a 690E the bike is far too heavy, the tyres are too wide, the suspension lacks plushness and travel because it also has to control a 250kg bike at triple-digit speeds on tarmac, the engine has to be electronically massaged to make it useful on loose surfaces. This doesn't enter into the financial/logistical compromise regarding KTM's specific character, which have less to do with it being an ADV bike and more to do with KTM being KTM, or the general ownership penalties that get worse with increasing weight and complexity. Damping adjusters, easy preload adjustment, electronic rider aids, advanced tyre construction etc all slightly widen the range of viable compromise (the SAR couldn't have existed as a product before some of these technologies were developed) but can never overcome the fundamental advantages a purpose-built machine has. Clearly right arm has a riding pattern very well matched to the bike's dynamic compromises and a big enough wallet/other resources to compensate for the rest. How close to middle age are you RA? Also the headlight looks like a vagina. That's not a value judgement either way, just a statement of fact  *:I mean yeah it's 'possible' in the SF sense, so your doodling needs to include dynamically active suspension, tyres/wheels that can change tread and profile on command and a frame with actively adjustable weight distrubution, rigidity, geometry and some kind of ballast system that can jettison weight for dirt use but pile it back on for 200kmh+ speeds. Oh and also an engine with dynamically variable cam profiles, porting etc but we already have that to some degree. If the above were available IRL then a do-it-all bike would be at the top of my shopping list.
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Slavvy posted:*:I mean yeah it's 'possible' in the SF sense, so your doodling needs to include dynamically active suspension, tyres/wheels that can change tread and profile on command and a frame with actively adjustable weight distrubution, rigidity, geometry and some kind of ballast system that can jettison weight for dirt use but pile it back on for 200kmh+ speeds. Oh and also an engine with dynamically variable cam profiles, porting etc but we already have that to some degree. If the above were available IRL then a do-it-all bike would be at the top of my shopping list. Either that or it just has to be really cool, for whatever that means at the exact instant I happen to be thinking of it. I've got no interest in dirt though so my fantasy compromises are limited to "I would like everything that a goldwing is but the size and weight of a ninjette somehow"
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It shows how crappy reality often is compared to fantasy, seeing as an effort to build the hypothetical bike you're describing results in the versys 650...
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Slavvy posted:Clearly right arm has a riding pattern very well matched to the bike's dynamic compromises and a big enough wallet/other resources to compensate for the rest. How close to middle age are you RA? I'm 28, I killed all my youth on dirt bikes and an R6 but you're 100% correct on everything else! including the vagina/bug light
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