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Funky Valentine posted:He proved to the world that short people actually do have reasons to live. Yeah but does it count when you're born as royalty and then marry into money? Of course he has reasons to live, he's always lived a pampered life! Hell, the one time he did have a job, he spent the whole drat time angry at his boss and trying to find some way to double-cross him.
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Crabtree posted:And 17 let that boat go for a wish to bring everyone back. 17 can let go of desire and 18, being a mom, always hungers for more dosh for her family. I imagine that if she'd been the last man standing(heh) she'd probably have done the same. The twins have always gotten a bad rap because of Trunk's version of events from his timeline, and they've been milking it ever since.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Hell, the one time he did have a job, he spent the whole drat time angry at his boss and trying to find some way to double-cross him. That's relatable tho
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Tin Can Hit Man posted:I imagine that if she'd been the last man standing(heh) she'd probably have done the same. The twins have always gotten a bad rap because of Trunk's version of events from his timeline, and they've been milking it ever since. She'd make Vegeta promise he'd get her that money before making the wish. I don't doubt for a second she wouldn't hold out and make sure she got paid.
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Crabtree posted:She'd make Vegeta promise he'd get her that money before making the wish. I don't doubt for a second she wouldn't hold out and make sure she got paid. Being Saviour of the Multiverse means pretty much everyone in existence would owe her.
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At 17 and 18 cool with each other? They fought together well during the ToP but they were ready to fight each other when Goku brought them together the first time
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Billzasilver posted:At 17 and 18 cool with each other? They fought together well during the ToP but they were ready to fight each other when Goku brought them together the first time they're siblings ALso he called her child Krillin's ex
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Billzasilver posted:At 17 and 18 cool with each other? They fought together well during the ToP but they were ready to fight each other when Goku brought them together the first time 17 seems to really like Krillin even if he likes to call out his brother-in-law's poo poo, including naming their kid after his first girlfriend. 18 thinks 17 is kind of a dumbass and doesn't think things through and that's kind of true, but 17's just 17. Plus 17 hasn't contacted her in a decade and probably didn't respond to Marin's baby pictures, nor have the courtesy of sending picks of his kids to her. Of course she wants to knock him out for being that rude.
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Dec 9, 2018 06:30
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Funny thing is 17 actually is a fair bit like Goku, just more chill. I think he respects Krillin basically for having the balls to hit on his sister given the killer robot circumstances and does genuinely make her happy. I doubt there's many men on the planet who could do that.
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There's the "my sister likes him, and she doesn't like anyone" angle and also the "he wished for me and my sister to not be living bombs anymore" too. It's hard not to like a dude like that.
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I'm pretty sure everyone likes Krillin except for maybe Vegeta, but you could probably could the people he likes in general on one hand.
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Dec 9, 2018 18:54
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*in a vegeta voice* I don't care for krillin
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Vegeta main beef with krillin is still trying to understand how he could be BFF with Kakarot of all people. Like, I know the rear end in a top hat has this dumb protagonist level charm specifically with people that at one point and still should want to kill him, but, like, c'mon. He's a gigantic rear end in a top hat even if he's stronger than you! But Krillin is no where near as annoying as Gohan and Trunks, but that's only because of them not living up to being 2nd generation Saiyans.
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Vegeta doesn't even like his own kid. Krillin is the best of us and him having PTSD is perfectly reasonable. Dude died three and a half times and came within a knatts pube of cutting space Hitler in two. Sometimes it takes a while for PTSD to settle in.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Vegeta doesn't even like his own kid. I think you're permanently inoculated against ptsd if you've died and come back more than once
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Dec 9, 2018 19:05
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Gonzo McFee posted:Vegeta doesn't even like his own kid. Nah, Vegeta loves his wife and his three children, as well as Kakarot. That much was made explicitely clear. He's just uncaring-to-hateful towards anyone else. Including the only other living family he has, his younger brother.
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Dec 9, 2018 19:06
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Gonzo McFee posted:Vegeta doesn't even like his own kid. no its bad writing
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The best part of any Krillin PTSD angle was when he finds out Goku was lying about the top and says "You thought I'd be scared? You were right, this is really scary"
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Dec 9, 2018 20:23
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PTSD is kind of weird in DB as it implies actions hav consequences which does not belong in DB.
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CharlestheHammer posted:PTSD is kind of weird in DB as it implies actions hav consequences which does not belong in DB. Eh, actions have consequences in DB a lot. *death* doesn't but most other things do. if characters gently caress up they tend to pay for their fuckups and their character development continues from there.
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I mean if you want to call being mildly inconvenienced a consequence I guess
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean if you want to call being mildly inconvenienced a consequence I guess or zeno-sama finding a new best friend
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death has consequences in db but they're all about the dragon balls. dying is pretty low stakes because you can just get revived, which is why so much of dbz is about working around the limitations of the dragon balls like saiyan saga, they have to find the balls and it takes goku time to get to where the fight is after being revived. then piccolo dies and they have to go to space to revive the people that died while goku was on his way
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Dec 9, 2018 22:07
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The ToP bent itself over backwards for there not to be a consequence for Goku
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That makes no sense, Goku suffers a lot of consequences in the TOP. They don’t mean anything long term but if Being mildly convinced is a consequence than the TOP is full of em.
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The ToP arc did walk back pretty hard on Goku being at fault and the cause of the whole crisis. During the Exhibition Match mini-arc he really was being an arrogant prick, ignoring Beerus' entirely reasonable warnings about giving the Zenos ideas and poo poo talking his opponents. Then you can tell someone at Toei told them they absolutely could not make Goku the antagonist of the arc and by the start of the actual tournament he's back to his usual friendly self and the plot's bent over backwards to explain why Goku instigating the ToP was actually a good thing and he's saved the universes from a far harsher fate. It's a shame they never followed through on that, Goku getting the living poo poo beaten out of him by Jiren would have been far more satisfying if he was still on the power trip he was when he fought the Trio de Dangers
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The ending we got was awesome (Frieza willing to take the fall, Goku flickering in and out of basic SSJ), but I think an ending where Jiren beat Goku or at least achieved a double ringout with 17 winning due to just being there half conscious would have been cool as well.
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Dec 9, 2018 22:58
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super never said it was goku's fault at any point and pretty clearly thought the opposite. that was just this thread's expectation
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Manatee Cannon posted:super never said it was goku's fault at any point and pretty clearly thought the opposite. that was just this thread's expectation To be fair other characters did blame him and that plot line just fizzled out.
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Dec 9, 2018 23:05
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the other universes did because of furry universe
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Calaveron posted:I think you're permanently inoculated against ptsd if you've died and come back more than once Or you get like, triple PTSD. Blaze Dragon posted:Nah, Vegeta loves his wife and his three children, as well as Kakarot. That much was made explicitely clear. Love and Like are two very different things. Stairmaster posted:no its bad writing If reading too much into bad writing wasn't a thing then the internet would never have been invented.
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Dec 9, 2018 23:16
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The PTSD is probably the best writing from a character perspective DB has ever had.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Nah, Vegeta loves his wife and his three children, as well as Kakarot. That much was made explicitely clear. Four children
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Calaveron posted:Four children lol like Vegeta loves The Disappointment, aka Kid Trunks
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A lot of the dropped plots threads like "Goku is going to face consequences for his actions" comes from Toei misjudging where the plot was going to go based on Toriyama's outlines. They had to fill a lot of episodes without knowing how things were going to turn out in the end.
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Calaveron posted:Four children I meant four but somehow I managed to mess up my count. Future son, present son, daughter and universe-counterpart son.
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Cabba is basically his kid brother though. Like, literally he looks a lot like Tarble.
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bobjr posted:I'm pretty sure everyone likes Krillin except for maybe Vegeta, but you could probably could the people he likes in general on one hand.
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Manatee Cannon posted:the writers really liked 17, goku, vegeta, and freeza. the rest were there to fill slots what did you not watch the incredibleness of every ToP scene with Roshi? They wrote him in really well
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bowmore posted:i don't think vegeta even thinks about krillin unless he is in direct eyesight I think Super was the first time he even said his name?
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