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Sephyr posted:Not exactly. The PDF has no idea cults even exist. That would lead to way too many people being aware that Chaos is even a thing, which the Imperium takes HUGE pains to avoid because hey, one day PDF guard #544883 may be down on his luck, sick or in debt, and remember that the cult hideout he helped bust had some very nice stuff, loose cash, and weird symbols that made him feel all tingly. Certainly it wouldn't be too bad if he tried drawing one, getting a little help, upstanding guy that he is, right? The PDF can be informed about people violating the Imperial Truth/The emperor is THE god without saying they are worshipping chaos or going into details. All that literally needs to be said is "This group is not following proper worship of the emperor, go deal with it and also go burn everything they have because its tainted with the filth of heretics" Heretics are a thing people know about, they just dont know they actually can contact the warp or whatever.
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Telsa Cola posted:Ill do a quick reread of them and find the right book, I might be mistaken but I definitely remember him dueling one while everything around him is on fire. That might have been during the one book where they were in the camp of those moth guys though. Not so much duelling, more like sneaking around and hoping the CSM doesn't find him and then the natives crossbows the CSM's face into mush
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Jan 14, 2019 22:52
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boredsatellite posted:Not so much duelling, more like sneaking around and hoping the CSM doesn't find him and then the natives crossbows the CSM's face into mush Yeah I just reviewed it and the CSM gets pincushioned in the face after they have a little go at it with him ducking and dodging around a tree, guess I was wrong and mixing it up with Cain.
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Jan 14, 2019 23:05
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It'll be when we see Eisenhorn smiles that we know he's gone full chaos.
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Jan 14, 2019 23:12
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Gaunt's claim to fame isn't that he's a super duelist but that he's one of the few people who managed to parry a chainsword strike and survive. It still nearly killed him.
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Jan 14, 2019 23:12
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Also the early Ghosts jankiness with CSM can be put down to Abnett not really 'getting' Marines in his early days writing for the setting. Not a criticism necessarily, but there are some fluff inconsistencies that mainly come from him inventing stuff on the fly.
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Jan 14, 2019 23:17
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Arcsquad12 posted:Gaunt's claim to fame isn't that he's a super duelist but that he's one of the few people who managed to parry a chainsword strike and survive. It still nearly killed him. Was that the duel with Dercius or whatever?
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Jan 14, 2019 23:28
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Telsa Cola posted:Was that the duel with Dercius or whatever? Yeah. He reversed the chain rotation and the recoil pretty much wrecked their swords. dercius died, Gaunt had his abdomen sliced open.
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Jan 14, 2019 23:38
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Arcsquad12 posted:Yeah. He reversed the chain rotation and the recoil pretty much wrecked their swords. dercius died, Gaunt had his abdomen sliced open. I thought he thrust with the sword, which was an equally hosed up thing to do. I definitely remember someone dueling someone though and reversing the rotation. Yes, i have nothing better to do currently then argue minutia. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jan 14, 2019 |
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Jan 14, 2019 23:45
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Sephyr posted:Unless it's a last stand situation and he's resorting to some dark, sanity-ruining ritual or device to deal with it because his orbital strike ship was taken over by Nids or something. Doesn't Eisenhorn start resorting to dark, sanity-ruining rituals partway through Malleus, let alone Hereticus? Considering that by the time Ravenor takes place, he's been AWOL for who knows how long, when he does show up in Thorn Wishes Talon, he's friendly with his pet Daemon, it's not that surprising that he can bisect a Drednaught with a weapon that's partially powered by his psychic energy. Azubah posted:It'll be when we see Eisenhorn smiles that we know he's gone full chaos. Uhhhh... Doesn't a character comment on him smiling or grinning near the end of The Magos?
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Jan 15, 2019 00:19
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I haven't gotten to magos yet, I wanted to reread then in order. If so that's pretty awesome.
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Jan 15, 2019 00:37
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Randalor posted:Uhhhh... Doesn't a character comment on him smiling or grinning near the end of The Magos? Drusher does, yes. It is at the end, when they are separating.
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Jan 15, 2019 00:41
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Z the IVth posted:It's a shame we will never get a book about Inquisitor McDonald managing his network of interrogators spanning fifteen sectors. My dream 40k book is about the Ordos Humanis Resourcius whose sole mission is to send Interrogators across the galaxy to locate, interview, hire, and train new Acolytes for the other Ordos. Because if the Ordos Chronos exists, than the Ordos Humanis Resourcius loving exists.
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Jan 15, 2019 01:51
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please do not badmouth Gaunt and his Ghosts ITT this is a pro-Ghost zone
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Jan 15, 2019 02:47
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Telsa Cola posted:I thought he thrust with the sword, which was an equally hosed up thing to do. I definitely remember someone dueling someone though and reversing the rotation.
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Jan 15, 2019 03:02
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Telsa Cola posted:Its generally implied that most of the inquistiors tend to either get bionics or some other poo poo that 99.99% of the general population does not get which allows them to deal with CSM or daemons, and even then its normally the more active front line ones. Nah, most inquisitors are fundamentally human and cannot deal with a CSM in a personal fight. Some will get power armor or will have psyker powers or whatever, but even then they won't usually be able to do anything to the seriously scary stuff. Eisenhorn's whole story is about him slowly going down the radical path and he can only do these things because he's becoming one of the big bad powers that the inquisition is there to kill.
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Jan 15, 2019 03:29
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Yeah, you have to remember what it took to take down Quixos. That's basically what Eisenhorn is becoming, and if recall correctly, it took an entire couple army group sent into a time-dilated universe.
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Jan 15, 2019 05:01
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I just finished Legacy of Dorn. I wasn't expecting much at all but it was one of the better bolter porn 40k books I've read. The Crimson Fist homeworld gets WAAAAGHed and their monastery destroyed in the opening salvoes. A small force holds out on a subsidiary island in a lake fortress with void shields. A single squad cut off from the holdouts survives on the main land and links up with a couple of PDF squads. They fight the Ork horde with guerilla warfare tactics for almost 2 years. Ending spoilers: The Crimson Fists are hosed up by the end. Less than 100 remain and their entire Gene seed stock got destroyed. This seems to be right before they find out about Primaris though so I imagine GW did this so they could have a popular chapter that was almost entirely Primaris marines
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Jan 15, 2019 05:17
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The way it Dercius-Gaunt went down is Dercius did the parry-and-reversal move, which threw Gaunt's sword to the side, and then drat near gutted him. Then he left himself open because he thought that the fight was over and Gaunt stabbed him through the chest. NovemberMike posted:Nah, most inquisitors are fundamentally human and cannot deal with a CSM in a personal fight. Some will get power armor or will have psyker powers or whatever, but even then they won't usually be able to do anything to the seriously scary stuff. Eisenhorn's whole story is about him slowly going down the radical path and he can only do these things because he's becoming one of the big bad powers that the inquisition is there to kill. This, yeah. When Eisenhorn kills that CSM in Xenos, he only does it by tricking them into picking up the Necroteuch and then killing him when the book has him distracted. Then he goes radical and starts really leaning on his psyker abilities and by the time you see him next he's a psyker Sith Lord who can deflect bolter rounds with his sword.
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Jan 15, 2019 05:42
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A big part of Eisenhorn's power as a fighter comes from his weapon; Barbarisater is a stupidly powerful force sword that's only getting stronger as he does. Between his personal abilities and all the crazy chaos sorcery he's picked up it's likely that he doesn't even need his mobility prosthetics any more, he just keeps wearing them to make what friends he has left think he hasn't gone completely off the deep end.
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Jan 15, 2019 15:31
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He probably doesn't want his legs to turn off if he encounters a blank either.
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Jan 15, 2019 15:35
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D-Pad posted:I just finished Legacy of Dorn. I wasn't expecting much at all but it was one of the better bolter porn 40k books I've read. Nah, that;s been their fluff since at least 3rd edition (IIRC. I got in just as 3rd ed ended and I remember it being in there)
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bunnyofdoom posted:Nah, that;s been their fluff since at least 3rd edition (IIRC. I got in just as 3rd ed ended and I remember it being in there) This, the invasion of Rynn and he shattering of the Crimson's Fists was a central piece of Space Marines fluff in 3rd edition Codex, although technically they were like that since the very beginning, in Rogue Trader there was a scenario with Crimson Fists fighting orks in Rynn's World and they were portrayed in the cover of the book.
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Jan 15, 2019 16:54
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Yeah, the Rynn's World campaign is one of those eternal things. It's usually "they're down to like 300 marines" though, rather than the version described above.
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Khizan posted:The way it Dercius-Gaunt went down is Dercius did the parry-and-reversal move, which threw Gaunt's sword to the side, and then drat near gutted him. Then he left himself open because he thought that the fight was over and Gaunt stabbed him through the chest. It's been a while since I read it, but isn't there a scene where an astartes chaplain asks how he did it because one of the other marines was too nervous to ask him? I can see why some people might not like the power creep as a big part of Eisenhorn's strength as a story was how grounded it was. I love that it's a pants-making GBS threads big deal to meet something that we take for granted in the bolter porn side of things. Not many have ever seen a space marine (or even know if they exist outside of legend), and seeing a CSM is a mind breaking thing. Like not only is this thing loving REAL, but it's the size of a tank, fast as hell, utterly unstoppable after literal millenia of fighting other gigantic uber-fuckers, can run through a whole battalion for breakfast and it just noticed YOU. But the whole point is that all these little things that Eisenhorn does to get an edge for now keep building up. I'll just keep her scary rear end sentient sword for now, but I'll return it to her people later. I'll just make an adjustment to it. And insult their culture by binding it to me. And focus my mind power through this crystal replica of my own skull on a staff. And keep this motherfucking daemon in my buddie's corpse while I need him, but I'll totally get rid of him soon. And... and... Before you know it you're the scariest thing across multiple sectors and daemons are telling their kids to eat their offerings or Eisenhorn will come for them. But it's ok because while you're curb stomping CSMs and cleaving dreadnaughts in two it's for a good cause, right? I mean, they'll all see it in the end. They're the blind ones. Not you. If you were corrupt could you do THIS?! <pulls sector into writhing maelstrom of warp tainted hell>
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Isn't it in the first Eisenhorn book it's said that all inquisitors get increasingly radical and the only question is if they die before they fall to Chaos?
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Groetgaffel posted:Isn't it in the first Eisenhorn book it's said that all inquisitors get increasingly radical and the only question is if they die before they fall to Chaos? that's actually from The Dark Knight
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Jan 15, 2019 21:31
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Biplane posted:that's actually from The Dark Knight The tragic fall of Inquisitor Harvey Dent.
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Angry Lobster posted:This, the invasion of Rynn and he shattering of the Crimson's Fists was a central piece of Space Marines fluff in 3rd edition Codex, although technically they were like that since the very beginning, in Rogue Trader there was a scenario with Crimson Fists fighting orks in Rynn's World and they were portrayed in the cover of the book. Huh, didn't know that. I think it is interesting it has been in since 3rd addition and they just now did a book about it. I still feel like they have an opportunity to be back at full strength by using Primaris and I think an all Primaris chapter whose leaders are old school space marines would be a cool thing to explore.
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Jan 15, 2019 22:43
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Wasn't there a Space Marine battles book about ten years ago that covered Rynn's World?
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Arcsquad12 posted:Wasn't there a Space Marine battles book about ten years ago that covered Rynn's World? Oh yeah apparently Legacy of Dorn is the same battle from a different perspective. I didn't realize that. Rynn's World book came out a while back and follows the Chapter Master. he escapes the destruction of the Monastery and makes his way through the horde linking back up with the Crimson Fists in the holdout island fortress. Legacy of Dorn follows the guerilla squad trapped on the mainland.
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Jan 15, 2019 23:14
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Are primaris strictly better than space marines?
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DARPA posted:Are primaris strictly better than space marines? Ya, they're bigger.
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Jan 16, 2019 00:03
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I really enjoyed the friction between standard marines and primas marines in the Devestation of Baal and war of secrets even if war of secrets fell apart a bit at the end. I hope they do more
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I'm honestly surprised getting a 3d printed replica of your own skull hasn't caught on irl yet, chaos magic or not.
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Groetgaffel posted:Isn't it in the first Eisenhorn book it's said that all inquisitors get increasingly radical and the only question is if they die before they fall to Chaos? Glaw tells this to Eisenhorn, but he is a bit of a biased source. Makes sense, though.
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AndyElusive posted:Ya, they're bigger. Bigger, stronger but stupider I think has been established in the recent fiction. Well, maybe not stupid as such, but less tactically minded than experienced oldmarines.
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a lovely king posted:Bigger, stronger but stupider I think has been established in the recent fiction. Well, maybe not stupid as such, but less tactically minded than experienced oldmarines. I think its more that they're tactically inflexible, seeing as their TT units are all armed with one weapon each and can't mix in special/heavy weapons.
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Waroduce posted:I don't think they know what chaos is really either They know what chaos is. Remember the Primaris Marines are not current era Marines recently created. Some of them date back as far as the Horus Heresy. Cawl took initiates that hadn't made it to actual fighting yet and put them in stasis. Taking them out every few centuries/millennia to be worked on and train. In one of the recent books one of the Marines mentions he was originally grabbed either during the Heresy or the Scouring, can't remember which, and then talks about being brought out of stasis a thousand or two thousand years later to train on Mars in live combat before being popped back into stasis occasionally being taken out for upgrades as Cawl developed and perfected them. Some of the Marines are definitely more recent or even current era but the initial batch are all very old. They seemed to have been grabbed after making it through the Astartes creation process but before making it into a scout company. Remember girlyman made the deal with Cawl before he "died" so the initial batch all dates from before that.
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