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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Throw poo poo at the wall and see what sticks. In a functioning society this would lead to impeachment.

https://pov.international/berlingske-dst-rapporter/

Edit:

Also S did it again.

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/s-stemmer-paradigmeskiftet-i-udlaendingepolitikken?cid=soc_facebook_drnyheder_3s9kegzg

Note that the article is factually incorrect. S expressed reluctance at voting for further reduction in integrationsydelse (it's already causing rampant food insecurity), but they voted for it anyway as it was a package deal. Also it's now called "the self-reliance and repatriation benefit".

SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jan 29, 2019

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Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal
Lol Arbetsförmedlingen to lay off a third of it's staff. This is fine. Thank god we have Steffe implementing this new budget. No way this'll back fire next election.

Zombiepop
Mar 30, 2010

Dirk Pitt posted:

Lol Arbetsförmedlingen to lay off a third of it's staff. This is fine. Thank god we have Steffe implementing this new budget. No way this'll back fire next election.

Yeah Im all for a reform but this is stupid. Is it a big enough layoff to make a mark on the economy? Im thinking house loans and poo poo. Also do we know which offices will be affected? Or how they will go through with this at all?

Potrzebie
Apr 6, 2010

I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!
Lipstick Apathy
So Ebba Bush Thor found it in her to quote Ebba Grön (or possibly Blå Tåget) during the parlament debate today. I wonder if she's ever heard and if so appreciates "Häng Gud", because I'm hopeful that'll get played to her often in the future.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Zombiepop posted:

Also do we know which offices will be affected?

Primarily minor ones, that is to say rural ones. :suicide:

Zombiepop
Mar 30, 2010

MiddleOne posted:

Primarily minor ones, that is to say rural ones. :suicide:

Oh great...I guess the new service center building stuff thingy reform whatever will take over arbetsförmedlingens duties.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Zombiepop posted:

Oh great...I guess the new service center building stuff thingy reform whatever will take over arbetsförmedlingens duties.

Many offices outside the major cities will be shut down and replaced with private contractors, because gently caress it. Let's ignore that privatizations of this kind rarely work. I saw it mentioned that of 4500 jobs axed, 4000 will be outside the HQ in Stockholm, so expect a ton of local offices in smaller towns to be shut down completely.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Potrzebie posted:

So Ebba Bush Thor found it in her to quote Ebba Grön (or possibly Blå Tåget) during the parlament debate today. I wonder if she's ever heard and if so appreciates "Häng Gud", because I'm hopeful that'll get played to her often in the future.

She probably already have heard it given that the old press secretary for KD is a massive metal fan with focus on black/death.

zokie
Feb 13, 2006

Out of many, Sweden
Accenture is going to get another contract like when they scammed the UK for millions of £ and only delivered a handful of soldiers, or when they scammed the USA for millions of $ for 3 dozen border agents.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac posted:

She probably already have heard it given that the old press secretary for KD is a massive metal fan with focus on black/death.

What is it with Timbro people and death metal.

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

Dirk Pitt posted:

Lol Arbetsförmedlingen to lay off a third of it's staff. This is fine. Thank god we have Steffe implementing this new budget. No way this'll back fire next election.

Awkward when they all show up at work the next day and take a number.

At least they won't need directions.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

MiddleOne posted:

What is it with Timbro people and death metal.

They're unironically attracted to a message promoting universal death and destruction?

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Dirk Pitt posted:

Lol Arbetsförmedlingen to lay off a third of it's staff. This is fine. Thank god we have Steffe implementing this new budget. No way this'll back fire next election.

What does arbetsförmedlingen really need manpower for nowadays anyway? Guidance and job coaching? Answer questions regarding unemployment benefits? I honestly have no idea as in my experience almost everything is done via remote and they don't even call you in for regular follow-up meetings. I assume people in the "far away from job market" category get a more thorough treatment/follow up but I have no idea of what exactly that includes.

Retarded Goatee
Feb 6, 2010
I spent :10bux: so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.

Cardiac posted:

She probably already have heard it given that the old press secretary for KD is a massive metal fan with focus on black/death.

Ingerö is one of the few people I have heard unironically argue in favor of a US-style insurance based health care system. Imagine what kind of brainbugs are crawling inside of that skull.

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

Zudgemud posted:

What does arbetsförmedlingen really need manpower for nowadays anyway?

It takes a lot of staff to make all these unemployed people feel the boot on their throats at the same time.

Why they probably have staff that spend 8 hours a day just calling people and threatening to cut their A-kassa if they don't seek enough jobs.


I work construction and got laid off due to arbetsbrist when I broke my foot. Showed up at Arbetsförmedlingen with a broken foot and they told me there were plenty of jobs sitting down that I could apply for.


Funny part is when My foot had healed and I was actually trying to find a job. I drove around all businesses related to my profession in about a 60 km radius of my home. Knocked on doors, talked to people, handed out resumes and CDs with previous work I had done.

Except that doing it that way I would maybe have 10 or 15 serious meetings in a month and arbetsförmedlingen gave me a ton of poo poo because the standard they were used to was people copy pasting and emailing out like 25 job applications a week to any job just to get arbetsförmedlingen off their backs. Compared to that it looked like I wasn't even trying.

Katt fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jan 30, 2019

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

MiddleOne posted:

What is it with Timbro people and death metal.

I mean, misanthropy is a hallmark of death/black, and also a prerequisite for libertarianism and FYGM conservatism. Not a lot of social democracy in metal.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

Beeswax posted:

Not a lot of social democracy in metal.

Panopticon? I guess he prefers to call himself an anarchist but there seems to be a lot of labor/socialism themes in his work.

Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal

Katt posted:

Awkward when they all show up at work the next day and take a number.

At least they won't need directions.

I suspect SD does well next election.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Katt posted:

It takes a lot of staff to make all these unemployed people feel the boot on their throats at the same time.

Why they probably have staff that spend 8 hours a day just calling people and threatening to cut their A-kassa if they don't seek enough jobs.


I work construction and got laid off due to arbetsbrist when I broke my foot. Showed up at Arbetsförmedlingen with a broken foot and they told me there were plenty of jobs sitting down that I could apply for.


Funny part is when My foot had healed and I was actually trying to find a job. I drove around all businesses related to my profession in about a 60 km radius of my home. Knocked on doors, talked to people, handed out resumes and CDs with previous work I had done.

Except that doing it that way I would maybe have 10 or 15 serious meetings in a month and arbetsförmedlingen gave me a ton of poo poo because the standard they were used to was people copy pasting and emailing out like 25 job applications a week to any job just to get arbetsförmedlingen off their backs. Compared to that it looked like I wasn't even trying.

Yeah this matches the experiences of people I know. That and Arbetsförmedlingen being pretty bad at assessing jobs for non engineers with higher educations. But I also assume that type of clientele is also not the most resource demanding segment due to their aforementioned higher education.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Biomute posted:

Panopticon? I guess he prefers to call himself an anarchist but there seems to be a lot of labor/socialism themes in his work.

There's a bunch of socialist metal bands, but I don't think there's much specifically socdem metal. Which I guess makes sense, since why would you go for the wussy kind of socialism when you're metal as gently caress?

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Zudgemud posted:

What does arbetsförmedlingen really need manpower for nowadays anyway? Guidance and job coaching? Answer questions regarding unemployment benefits? I honestly have no idea as in my experience almost everything is done via remote and they don't even call you in for regular follow-up meetings. I assume people in the "far away from job market" category get a more thorough treatment/follow up but I have no idea of what exactly that includes.
They help people by finding praktikplatser and stuff like that, but no idea if they still do. They also do a bunch of support work for people with various disabilities, or used to at least. I believe they are actually legally required to help people (unless they fail too many times) unlike the privatized shitlers.

Dirk Pitt posted:

I suspect SD does well next election.
Yeah... I almost wonder why all the parties are so hell bent on indirectly supporting SD.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Cerebral Bore posted:

There's a bunch of socialist metal bands, but I don't think there's much specifically socdem metal. Which I guess makes sense, since why would you go for the wussy kind of socialism when you're metal as gently caress?

It's the Nickelback of political affiliations.

Libertarianism is Crazy Frog.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

SplitSoul posted:

It's the Nickelback of political affiliations.
Hahahahaha

von Braun
Oct 30, 2009


Broder Daniel Forever
Ive spent years going to AF, i got one job for 14 months then my lönebidrag/nystartsjobb benefit ran out and now I have been unemployed for 13 months. :)
That said, they suck.

Mr. Sunshine
May 15, 2008

This is a scrunt that has been in space too long and become a Lunt (Long Scrunt)

Fun Shoe
lol most public WiFi here in Gothenburg won't let me browse SA cause TFR gets it blocked for violence.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Mr. Sunshine posted:

lol most public WiFi here in Gothenburg won't let me browse SA cause TFR gets it blocked for violence.

TFR?

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

The Firing Range, presumably

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Hahaha. I missed the TFR part and thought it must be because of how often everyone advocates killing the rich here.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
I'm of two minds with the Arbetsförmedlingen issue.

On one hand, yes: Arbetsförmedlingen needed to change, as it was gradually turned into a New Public Managment nightmare where administrating reasons to control people on the dole became a larger part of their mission, and actually finding available job and matching them with people became a smaller one. This led to a lot of unproductive administrative work that probably could be removed without that much negative effects.


On the other hand, just saying "lol cut down all small town offices and leave it up to private contractors, because they did such a great job with jobcoaching and Fas 3" is not a good solution.

Also, keep in mind that a lot of computer-literate younger people think that Arbetsförmedlingen sucks at doing their job. Myself included, when I had to deal with them. It's because their mission has been, as well, to focus a ton of their time and effort to helping those who are furthest from the job market, while doing very little for the rest. I leave it unsaid whether or not they actually did a good job with those people (for the people I know it's been a mixed bag). But again I think that a better solution would be to tone down the NPM monitoring part of the agency, rather than knee-capping it and hoping that the free market won't use it as a pile of free money (they will).

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Yeah, the issue with privatizing stems from a completely inaccurate problem statement. The problem is not that Arbetsförmedlingen is bad at performing its mission, it's that many part of its mission itself is garbage. Some of the costlier part of Arbetsförmedlingens duties are already privatized, it makes no difference.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/handeldvapen/status/1090550440889073664

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Yepstr?

I just googled it and oh dear, it's like Uber for housework

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Yepstr is an unholy abomination operating within a very diffuse gap in the law. Fully expect them to be sued or legislated out of existence before the term is over.

Boatswain
May 29, 2012

MiddleOne posted:

Yepstr is an unholy abomination operating within a very diffuse gap in the law. Fully expect them to be sued or legislated out of existence before the term is over.

Inshallah.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

https://twitter.com/Jorts_Michael/status/1091400088965079040

:psyboom:

Katt
Nov 14, 2017


Finding the tweet she's doubling down while nazis rally to support her even after it was revealed that the pregnant woman had a ticket after all.

Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal

MiddleOne posted:

Yepstr is an unholy abomination operating within a very diffuse gap in the law. Fully expect them to be sued or legislated out of existence before the term is over.

As a child of the American upper middle class, we frequently had baby sitters while my parents went to movies. My parents never asked them to clean the house while watching us. What the gently caress is wrong with these cheap rear end borgerlige Swedes who don’t want to pay a friend of a friend’s daughter 300:- plus pizza to hang out and sext their friend? This feels like Swedish youth are missing out on a part of teenage years.

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

Explain this Yepstr thing to me. Google just gives ad stuff.

So young people work for free and get xp on the service and then gradually level up their profile to one day get paid?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Katt posted:

Explain this Yepstr thing to me. Google just gives ad stuff.

So young people work for free and get xp on the service and then gradually level up their profile to one day get paid?

Young people work for very little money, they don't formally have any employer of any kind (this is the law-gap I was alluding to), they're dependant on ratings (uber-style) and there's a leveling system which among other things regulates how much you get paid. Oh, and Yepstr takes a size-able cut for being the middle-hand.

It's just an extremely scummy and unethical business model.


Dirk Pitt posted:

As a child of the American upper middle class, we frequently had baby sitters while my parents went to movies. My parents never asked them to clean the house while watching us. What the gently caress is wrong with these cheap rear end borgerlige Swedes who don’t want to pay a friend of a friend’s daughter 300:- plus pizza to hang out and sext their friend? This feels like Swedish youth are missing out on a part of teenage years.

Yepstr is the same thing only you pay 1/3rd the prize, you don't have any association to the kid and if they displease you in any way you can ruin their opportunity to get more work by giving a bad rating. You're also operating in a legal grey-area so it's very diffuse who's responsible if anything goes wrong. :v:

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Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal

MiddleOne posted:

Yepstr is the same thing only you pay 1/3rd the prize, you don't have any association to the kid and if they displease you in any way you can ruin their opportunity to get more work by giving a bad rating. You're also operating in a legal grey-area so it's very diffuse who's responsible if anything goes wrong. :v:

Yah. It seems insane to me that there needs to be laws around this to begin with. Babysitting should be a casual thing without tax and permanent records. It is odd that people would want to invite a stranger into their home to watch their kids because other strangers had good experiences with this stranger. Just find a neighborhood kid and buy them dinner and give them some walking around money. For some reason I thought Yepstr people could also assign home cleaning assignments in an effort to get around the already subsidized cleaning services.

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