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EvilMerlin posted:This looks... wrong. CASCOM is probably pretty far down the list for new gear. In related news I just learned this week that the new pistol ammo is hollow point. That is a pretty big shift after over a century of not but ball. I await the legal analysis of Hague Convention and whatnot.
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EvilMerlin posted:Plus you would think the General would be using the new M17's. Something about this comment strikes me as peak air force
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Feb 6, 2019 16:18
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EvilMerlin posted:Because now people think they can get free stuff. Discounts. Handouts and what not... because people suck. A few years ago my family and I went to a shoe store in new Jersey. They had a big sign, "10% veteran discount!" My wife said I should I should say something and get the discount, even though I'm usually embarrassed to do so. The clerk gave me all sorts of grief. I didn't have any way to prove to her satisfaction that I was a veteran, because my driver's license - Colorado - didn't have a "Veteran" logo on it. (It does not, this is new.) I didn't want to strip off my shirt and show my USMC tattoo (hey, I was 18) or dig up photos of myself in uniform on my phone, and it's not like I carry my DD214 with me, so I just gave up and paid regular price for the shoes. The whole experience was weird and very off-putting. I don't even ask for veteran discounts, I don't like the whole thing anyway.
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Feb 6, 2019 16:19
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SeanBeansShako posted:I was going to say the shot might have been taken after he fired and he was in mid stance or moving to adjust his aim? There's spent brass about a foot above the pistol in both photos.
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Feb 6, 2019 16:20
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Same it's such a hassle and seems attention seeking, for....not really that much money saved? Oh gee, save two dollars off dinner. Thanks.
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Cessna posted:There's spent brass about a foot above the pistol in both photos. Well uh I am sure the dude does admin stuff better?
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Feb 6, 2019 16:21
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Phanatic posted:He's doing everything wrong. Maybe he's a fake general
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Feb 6, 2019 16:23
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Grumpyfuck1 posted:Air Force goes to war- hilarity ensues
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bewbies posted:CASCOM is probably pretty far down the list for new gear. Yeah I was just reading about that...
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Feb 6, 2019 16:26
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SeanBeansShako posted:I am sure the dude does admin stuff better? Probably. Also, if you're a General, no one is going to correct your weird shooting stance.
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Feb 6, 2019 16:26
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hypnophant posted:Something about this comment strikes me as peak air force We won't be getting M17's for a LONG time.
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Cessna posted:Also, if you're a General, no one is going to correct your weird shooting stance. This is also very true.
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Thalantos posted:Same it's such a hassle and seems attention seeking, for....not really that much money saved? Yeah. I used my GI Bill, but beyond that I really haven't taken a lot of VA benefits. I've never filed a claim for my hearing loss, used regular financing (no VA Home Loan) for my house, nothing. I don't want discounts. It just feels weird, and beyond talking on dying comedy message boards it's a part of my life I'd just rather forget.
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https://twitter.com/DEFCONWSALERTS/status/1093127840042795008 Is this alarming in any way I mean beyond the general "it's alarming that nuclear weapons exist" sense
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Feb 6, 2019 16:31
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Thalantos posted:The higher ranking the dumber they get. The burden of command
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EvilMerlin posted:We won't be getting M17's for a LONG time. Not specifically m17s, but the idea that higher ranks would get the newest equipment before, you know, the guys doing the fighting
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Feb 6, 2019 16:33
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Platystemon posted:
The M16A1 never had a three prong flash suppressor. It was the first with a bird cage. The M16A1 added the forward assist.
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Feb 6, 2019 16:35
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/DEFCONWSALERTS/status/1093127840042795008 I mean, if they’re shooting off rockets with nuclear warheads, even if those warheads aren’t armed, that does seem like it could cause a problem in that we usually like for fissile material to have a pretty constant chain-of-custody? 
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hypnophant posted:Not specifically m17s, but the idea that higher ranks would get the newest equipment before, you know, the guys doing the fighting I thought there were quite a few active Units that already were issued the M17's?
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quote:we knew that an overnight bag was a must and most of us had the roller carryon type suitcase I lost it right there.
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Schadenboner posted:I mean, if they’re shooting off rockets with nuclear warheads, even if those warheads aren’t armed, that does seem like it could cause a problem in that we usually like for fissile material to have a pretty constant chain-of-custody? Don't really understand the big deal. This is a regular occurrence. The USAF did it in August, April of 2018 and a few times in 2017 too...
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Schadenboner posted:I mean, if they’re shooting off rockets with nuclear warheads, even if those warheads aren’t armed, that does seem like it could cause a problem in that we usually like for fissile material to have a pretty constant chain-of-custody? It's impossible to tell what I'm supposed to be worried about from the news, they were making a huge deal about the INF too. I know it's more of a DnD issue but some guy over there told me last week that the North didn't give a poo poo about ending slavery and only started the ACW to preserve the union so I don't trust them. EvilMerlin posted:Don't really understand the big deal. Yeah that's what I figured
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/DEFCONWSALERTS/status/1093127840042795008 These launches were almost certainly planned and announced a while ago (I know the US one was at least). So, it isn't dick waving around the INF treaty collapse or anything. That said we will probably see some dick waving pretty soon even though the US has a tiny dick in this particular capability set.
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Cessna posted:I lost it right there. Those are pretty common for the Army now. Not pictured here, but this is how one guy got around the limit on how many bags you can bring. If it's not obvious, the duffel on the left front is about a third larger than a standard duffel. 
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Feb 6, 2019 16:47
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EvilMerlin posted:I thought there were quite a few active Units that already were issued the M17's? There are some but, as bewbies pointed out, CASCOM is not likely to be among them
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hypnophant posted:There are some but, as bewbies pointed out, CASCOM is not likely to be among them Good point.
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SimonCat posted:Those are pretty common for the Army now. Not pictured here, but this is how one guy got around the limit on how many bags you can bring. If it's not obvious, the duffel on the left front is about a third larger than a standard duffel. Man, my experience is so out of date. I feel like I should be sitting on a porch muttering about You Kids and yer Rifled Muskets, in my day we had smoothbores and we liked 'em.
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Cessna posted:Man, my experience is so out of date. Don't remind me. I'm loving old now.
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EvilMerlin posted:Don't really understand the big deal. “Unarmed nuclear missiles” is a tremendously poor choice of term. I am continuing  by pretending that these are actually missiles being launched with un-fused nuclear warheads and not rockets without nuclear warheads.
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They found the Japanese Battleship Hiei Here's what it looked like from a B17 trying to finish off a badly damaged Hiei leaking oil with a stuck rudder 
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Platystemon posted:Air Force goes to war- hilarity ensues This will never get old: 
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I've got a friend who lives down in Colorado Springs. He's an Air Force officer, does some sort of spooky electronic warfare stuff with NORAD. A while back we were down at his house with a bunch of other friends, kids playing outside, barbecue, a good time. He pulled me aside and said "I've got something in the garage I need a hand with." Sure, I thought, he's a car guy, I'm there. But when I got there he had a tent out. Just a plain camping-style tent in the middle of the floor. He asked, "so how do you work this thing?" Huh? "The tent. How do you set it up?" Here's a career officer type, getting ready to retire from the USAF, and he didn't know how to work a tent. After ROTC he'd never spent a night outside. Not one. I asked him, "so what did you do when you were deployed?" He looked at me like I was dumb. "We got hotel rooms, what did you do?"
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EvilMerlin posted:The M16A1 never had a three prong flash suppressor. It was the first with a bird cage. This is mostly true, but some early A1s still had the pronged flash hiders.
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Since the M17 came up, I’ve read a lot about the M9 and how everyone hates it, but also that most people hate it because they shot horrible worn out army issue garbage. I got to shoot an M9 at a range one day (one of the few times I ever really went shooting, guy had a whole collection of everything from the M9 to the MG42 we could shoot, owned) and honestly the M9 felt great to me, light and super accurate, especially compared to the 1911 I also shot. Was it really lovely or just kind of urban legend’d into being unverisally disliked?
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Phanatic posted:This will never get old: The chairforce needs more coloring books!
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Mazz posted:Since the M17 came up, I’ve read a lot about the M9 and how everyone hates it, but also that most people hate it because they shot horrible worn out army issue garbage. I got to shoot an M9 at a range one day (one of the few times I ever really went shooting, guy had a whole collection of everything from the M9 to the MG42 we could shoot, owned) and honestly the M9 felt great to me, light and super accurate, especially compared to the 1911 I also shot. I didn't really know people disliked it? Every one I was ever given worked as intended despite my constant abuse and despite looking like they'd been recently unearthed at gettysburg. That said I've only ever fired one other kind of pistol and I'm also a really bad shot so my opinion may not be particularly well informed.
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Mazz posted:Since the M17 came up, I’ve read a lot about the M9 and how everyone hates it, but also that most people hate it because they shot horrible worn out army issue garbage. I got to shoot an M9 at a range one day (one of the few times I ever really went shooting, guy had a whole collection of everything from the M9 to the MG42 we could shoot, owned) and honestly the M9 felt great to me, light and super accurate, especially compared to the 1911 I also shot. People issue complaints louder than compliments. Most people don't care and very few people who are in now ever used a 1911. I own both (ok, a 92FS and a Springfield Armory MilSpec) and either are fine pistols. I like having extra rounds of an M9 and it's simpler to disassemble, but for the vast majority of people issued an M9 will never fire it outside of once a year at the range. I like it because it's easier than carrying an M4 with me everywhere.
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Mazz posted:Was it really lovely or just kind of urban legend’d into being unverisally disliked? When it first came out - '88 or so - there were a couple of well-publicized accidents where the slide broke, seriously injuring the shooter. I don't know the full details here, or even if there were really WERE accidents, but rumors flew HARD at the time. This led to a lot of dislike and distrust of the pistol.
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The talk about the veterancy and effectiveness of individual soldiers has me wondering about a the same idea zoomed out. Do the major military powers make an effort to expose units to combat experience with the idea that it is beneficial to their effectiveness? Do, say, the US army planners go, "This unit has been in Korea for 20 years, lets send them to Iraq for some real-world experience?" I think I feel like that was definitely a thing in the past, but I can't tell how distorted that view might be from fictional sources. I suppose I'm curious about any time-frame in history through the present and how the idea might have evolved.
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Cessna posted:When it first came out - '88 or so - there were a couple of well-publicized accidents where the slide broke, seriously injuring the shooter. has any weapon system ever been introduced and the guys using it were immediately like hey this thing rules compared to our old poo poo BAR vs Chauchat maybe?
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