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R. Guyovich posted:there's another scene where stalin explains to davies france and britain are refusing to cut a deal with the ussr because they want hitler and stalin to fight each other so they can pick up the scraps. this is, of course, 100 percent true. It was and there's documentation that he honestly tried to do an anti nazi pact with the western democracies two weeks before ribbentrop-molotov but chamberlain and blum refused to sign
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Like iirc even with the french and british underprepared they could already deploy twice as many units as hitler and mussolini would probably chicken out from joining the axis if he couldn't get easy pickings.
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It's cool that the defining event of the last century only happened because of liberals resting on their laurels
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Modest Mao posted:Did somebody say a spectrum is haunting Europe yet I saw these and really wanted to snipe that so i didn’t waste time reading anything else in this thread "spectrum of communism" is a great username
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I didn't think it was a particularly controversial idea to suggest that the reason the USSR signed the NAP with Nazi Germany was because they already tried approaching UK/France first and were turned down and now they had to play for time.
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unbutthurtable posted:the ghost trains gonna suplex the ghost train like sabin
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Modest Mao posted:Did somebody say a spectrum is haunting Europe yet I saw these and really wanted to snipe that so i didn’t waste time reading anything else in this thread i think you get this allyoop
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gradenko_2000 posted:I didn't think it was a particularly controversial idea to suggest that the reason the USSR signed the NAP with Nazi Germany was because they already tried approaching UK/France first and were turned down and now they had to play for time. the pact is definitely a talking point for anti-soviet leftists and assorted liberals (but i repeat myself)
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R. Guyovich posted:the pact is definitely a talking point for anti-soviet leftists and assorted liberals (but i repeat myself) Yeah its absolutely a thing of the kind of ape that believes in red-brown alliance crap
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the western allies tried to play stalin and ended up getting played this is objectively what happened. it doesn't mean stalin was a good guy or whatever but it wasn't a good idea to play him like that IMO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCk8rX-n9sQ
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I'm kind of a "no deal with fascists ever" kind of guy but you know what sometimes you're in a tough spot and that's okay. you just invented "socialism in one country" and then this other guy makes national socialism, and you're not sure what that's all about
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Karl Barks posted:I'm kind of a "no deal with fascists ever" kind of guy but you know what sometimes you're in a tough spot and that's okay. you just invented "socialism in one country" and then this other guy makes national socialism, and you're not sure what that's all about
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Karl Barks posted:I'm kind of a "no deal with fascists ever" kind of guy but you know what sometimes you're in a tough spot and that's okay. you just invented "socialism in one country" and then this other guy makes national socialism, and you're not sure what that's all about the "guess ill die" old man but he has a stalin mustache
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:it also gets cold af in russia this is how the soviets won ww2
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the mud helped too
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wrong, it was the indelible spirit of the soviet worker
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Karl Barks posted:wrong, it was the indelible spirit of the soviet worker at least not yet anyways
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Karl Barks posted:wrong, it was the indelible spirit of the soviet worker nature always smiles on the pure of heart
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-m_7G31yh4 The Emoji Movie, Adorno and the Culture Industry
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Tfw my friend got roasted by amber frost on Instagram 👀
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StashAugustine posted:the mud helped too the mud builds resolve
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you gotta wonder how many human remains and war material is plowed under every farm from moscow to berlin
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i say swears online posted:you gotta wonder how many human remains and war material is plowed under every farm from moscow to berlin WWI ended 100 years ago and we're still digging up shells in Belgium
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can someone recommend me a good starting spot for reading Kautsky, and maybe also Trotsky, both of whom I’ve been meaning to read but haven’t gotten around to
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Yeah, don't. Kautsky, anyways, I will begrudgingly allow Trots.
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Kautsky is good, respect your elders
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Frog Act posted:can someone recommend me a good starting spot for reading Kautsky, and maybe also Trotsky, both of whom I’ve been meaning to read but haven’t gotten around to For Trotsky, if you're comfortable with something long, his history of the Russian revolution is an incredibly thorough primary source account of the Russian revolution. And is highly regarded even outside of Trotskyist circles for how much it illuminates about that series of events. The Revolution Betrayed is, of course the key document that lays out the differences in political perspective between Trotsky and Stalin. I personally like Terrorism and Communism because it has useful perspectives on democracy within struggles for liberation, and also has the most coherent expression of why communists should oppose individual terrorism, and in that contains a rebuttal to ultraleftist perspectives that will probably become more common as society continues to fall apart. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Mar 2, 2019 |
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Karl Barks posted:I'm kind of a "no deal with fascists ever" kind of guy but you know what sometimes you're in a tough spot and that's okay. you just invented "socialism in one country" and then this other guy makes national socialism, and you're not sure what that's all about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezmKhzGvKG4
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Tastykake posted:this is how the soviets won ww2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DljgSrTbNE
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Tastykake posted:this is how the soviets won ww2 something old propaganda/historical films do that makes me laugh is showing germans soldiers in winter clothes, and talking about the germans being brought down by the cold paired up with footage of soviet soldiers in snow outfits on skis/snowshoes advancing forward retaking ground, all in this "Clearly the soviets just had racial resistance to cold" tone of voice. fascists experience cold weather like this; and communists experience cold weather like THIS;
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https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1102390712958701568?s=19 our beautiful boy started a podcast
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Venom Snake posted:something old propaganda/historical films do that makes me laugh is showing germans soldiers in winter clothes, and talking about the germans being brought down by the cold paired up with footage of soviet soldiers in snow outfits on skis/snowshoes advancing forward retaking ground, all in this "Clearly the soviets just had racial resistance to cold" tone of voice. tbf if Californians ever tried to invade Minnesota they'd surely perish Even Iowa couldn't take it honestly. Acclimation is real.
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lol the whole brooklyn scene is even more useless than theorized previously https://twitter.com/cruciverberella/status/1102457132782301184
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Tastykake posted:this is how the soviets won ww2 eh, the Germans could have had enough winter clothing to deal with the temps, it's just when you're at the rear end-end of a 600 km supply line and you're still having a pitched battle, all the train car space is being taken up by bullets and gas
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smarxist posted:lol the whole brooklyn scene is even more useless than theorized previously the red yenta people are going nuts because their social club for dilettantes was proven to be...a social club for dilettantes
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Modest Mao posted:tbf if Californians ever tried to invade Minnesota they'd surely perish It's like when the Tibetan Empire tried expanding into Bengal. It was impossible for mountainous people in full body chainmail to live in a sweltering subcontinental climate. gradenko_2000 posted:eh, the Germans could have had enough winter clothing to deal with the temps, it's just when you're at the rear end-end of a 600 km supply line and you're still having a pitched battle, all the train car space is being taken up by bullets and gas Winter conditions of '41 and '42 being used to disregard the Soviet defense by claiming they were bailed out by the weather doesn't mean what Wehrmacht apologists think it means. Because it also puts the Nazis at fault for failing to plan for that kind of easily predictable material condition.
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That said, it is psychologically softer than the reality, that the German way over-stretched their front-lines, and despite the clear initial successes of Barbarossa...there was pretty much no way to take Moscow and therefore actually defeat the Soviet Union. Better to think "oh drat if we had those winter coats we could have breached Moscow's ridiculous defenses and somehow deal with a massive counter-attack." Company of Heroes 2 pretty much links everyone of those type of theories together in one game.
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