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klafbang
Nov 18, 2009
Clapping Larry

poverty goat posted:

someone please explain how a bitcoin transaction works in terms of a post-apocalyptic carrier-pigeon network

I'm guessing badly.

So same as now.

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CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

Mozi posted:

you gotta sous vide them to bring out the natural juices

Where is that GWS Iron Chef: Ranch Dressing thread where someone made A/V cable gnocchi when I need it?

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000
Unlike bitcoin, carrier pigeons are right now a viable method of doing a thing

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Carrier pigeons are a viable method for moving computer data even

code:


Network Working Group                                    D. Waitzman
Request for Comments: 2549                       IronBridge Networks
Updates: 1149                                           1 April 1999
Category: Experimental


             IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service

Status of this Memo

   This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet
   community.  It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind.
   Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested.
   Distribution of this memo is unlimited.

Copyright Notice

   Copyright (C) The Internet Society (1999).  All Rights Reserved.

Abstract

   This memo amends RFC 1149, "A Standard for the Transmission of IP
   Datagrams on Avian Carriers", with Quality of Service information.
   This is an experimental, not recommended standard.

Overview and Rational

   The following quality of service levels are available: Concorde,
   First, Business, and Coach.  Concorde class offers expedited data
   delivery.  One major benefit to using Avian Carriers is that this is
   the only networking technology that earns frequent flyer miles, plus
   the Concorde and First classes of service earn 50% bonus miles per
   packet.  Ostriches are an alternate carrier that have much greater
   bulk transfer capability but provide slower delivery, and require the
   use of bridges between domains.

   The service level is indicated on a per-carrier basis by bar-code
   markings on the wing.  One implementation strategy is for a bar-code
   reader to scan each carrier as it enters the router and then enqueue
   it in the proper queue, gated to prevent exit until the proper time.
   The carriers may sleep while enqueued.

   For secure networks, carriers may have classes Prime or Choice.
   Prime carriers are self-keying when using public key encryption.
   Some distributors have been known to falsely classify Choice carriers
   as Prime.

   Packets MAY be marked for deletion using RED paint while enqueued.



Waitzman                      Experimental                      [Page 1]

RFC 2549            IP over Avian Carriers with QoS         1 April 1999


   Weighted fair queueing (WFQ) MAY be implemented using scales, as
   shown:

                                                  __
                                  _____/-----\   / o\
                                 <____   _____\_/    >--
                 +-----+              \ /    /______/
                 | 10g |               /|:||/
                 +-----+              /____/|
                 | 10g |                    |
                 +-----+          ..        X
               ===============================
                              ^
                              |
                          =========

   Carriers in the queue too long may leave log entries, as shown on the
   scale.

   The following is a plot of traffic shaping, from coop-erative host
   sites.


        Alt |       Plot of Traffic Shaping showing carriers in flight
            |
         2k |           ....................
            |          .                    .
            |         .                      .
         1k |        .                        .
            |   +---+                          +---+
            |   | A |                          | B |
            |   +---+                          +---+
            |_____________________________________________


   Avian carriers normally bypass bridges and tunnels but will seek out
   worm hole tunnels.  When carrying web traffic, the carriers may
   digest the spiders, leaving behind a more compact representation.
   The carriers may be confused by mirrors.

   Round-robin queueing is not recommended.  Robins make for well-tuned
   networks but do not support the necessary auto-homing feature.

   A BOF was held at the last IETF but only Avian Carriers were allowed
   entry, so we don't know the results other than we're sure they think
   MPLS is great.  Our attempts at attaching labels to the carriers have
   been met with resistance.




Waitzman                      Experimental                      [Page 2]

RFC 2549            IP over Avian Carriers with QoS         1 April 1999


   NATs are not recommended either -- as with many protocols, modifying
   the brain-embedded IP addresses is difficult, plus Avian Carriers MAY
   eat the NATs.

   Encapsulation may be done with saran wrappers.  Unintentional
   encapsulation in hawks has been known to occur, with decapsulation
   being messy and the packets mangled.

   Loose source routes are a viable evolutionary alternative enhanced
   standards-based MSWindows-compliant technology, but strict source
   routes MUST NOT be used, as they are a choke-point.

   The ITU has offered the IETF formal alignment with its corresponding
   technology, Penguins, but that won't fly.

   Multicasting is supported, but requires the implementation of a clone
   device.  Carriers may be lost if they are based on a tree as it is
   being pruned.  The carriers propagate via an inheritance tree.  The
   carriers have an average TTL of 15 years, so their use in expanding
   ring searches is limited.

   Additional quality of service discussion can be found in a Michelin's
   guide.

MIB and Management issues

   AvCarrier2 OBJECT-TYPE
     SYNTAX     SEQUENCE OF DNA
     MAX-ACCESS can't-read
     STATUS     living
     DESCRIPTION "Definition of an avian carrier"
     ::= { life eukaryotes mitochondrial_eukaryotes crown_eukaryotes
           metazoa chordata craniata vertebrata gnathostomata
           sarcopterygii terrestrial_vertebrates amniota diapsida
           archosauromorpha archosauria dinosauria aves neornithes
           columbiformes columbidae columba livia }

   AvCarrier OBJECT-TYPE
     SYNTAX     SET OF Cells
     MAX-ACCESS not-accessible
     STATUS     obsolete
     DESCRIPTION "Definition of an avian carrier"
     ::= { life animalia chordata vertebrata aves
           columbiformes columbidae columba livia }

   PulseRate OBJECT-TYPE
     SYNTAX     Gauge(0..300)
     MAX-ACCESS read-only



Waitzman                      Experimental                      [Page 3]

RFC 2549            IP over Avian Carriers with QoS         1 April 1999


     STATUS     current
     DESCRIPTION "Pulse rate of carrier, as measured in neck.
                  Frequent sampling is disruptive to operations."
     ::= { AvCarrier 1}

   The carriers will not line up in lexigraphic order but will
   naturally order in a large V shape.  Bulk retrieval is possible
   using the Powerful Get-Net operator.

Specification of Requirements

   In this document, several words are used to signify the requirements
   of the specification.  These words are often capitalized.

   MUST      Usually.

   MUST NOT  Usually not.

   SHOULD    Only when Marketing insists.

   MAY       Only if it doesn't cost extra.

Security Considerations

   There are privacy issues with stool pigeons.

   Agoraphobic carriers are very insecure in operation.

Patent Considerations

   There is ongoing litigation about which is the prior art: carrier or
   egg.

References

   Waitzman, D., "A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on
   Avian Carriers", RFC 1149, 1 April 1990.

ACKnowledgments

   Jim.Carlson.Ibnets.com > Jon.Saperia . ack 32 win 123 (DF)
   Ross Callon, Scott Bradner, Charlie Lynn ...









Waitzman                      Experimental                      [Page 4]

RFC 2549            IP over Avian Carriers with QoS         1 April 1999

an actual frog
Mar 1, 2007


HEH, HEH, HEH!

Pham Nuwen posted:

A proof of concept for a system that could never actually be deployed. So, just another day for crypto.

Oh god someone actually bought you that av. I'm so sorry

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



an actual frog posted:

Oh god someone actually bought you that av. I'm so sorry

It owns, though

MrUnderbridge
Jun 25, 2011

And that's how we sent tweets in my day, junior!

:dadjoke:

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By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

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Why am I even surprised?
:stonk:

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

By popular demand posted:

Why am I even surprised?
:stonk:

lol just lol if you think that's anything other than a lovely ICO scam that will never actually deliver anything

McGiggins
Apr 4, 2014

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy
Real talk, has there been any actual real attempt to set up an actual non-illegal marketplace for like food and poo poo with any coins?

Butters always harp about currency, butt (lmao) where is the actual legit marketplace for wherein legal commerce may take place? Is there even any real reason to make such a thing?

No one is paid wages in butts (if only) and therefor its moving cash into butts, at a loss, to buy food, likely at higher prices. Where is the viability?

I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

McGiggins posted:

Real talk, has there been any actual real attempt to set up an actual non-illegal marketplace for like food and poo poo with any coins?

Butters always harp about currency, butt (lmao) where is the actual legit marketplace for wherein legal commerce may take place? Is there even any real reason to make such a thing?

No one is paid wages in butts (if only) and therefor its moving cash into butts, at a loss, to buy food, likely at higher prices. Where is the viability?

Uhh have you not heard of ketamine-2-go my friend?

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/prolific-dark-web-dealer-carfentanil-and-fentanyl-arrested

quote:

Prolific Dark Web Dealer Of Carfentanil And Fentanyl Arrested
Defendant Richard Castro Sold Carfentanil and Fentanyl over the Dark Web, and Defendant Luis Fernandez Shipped these Drugs from New York to their Customers across the United States


Geoffrey S. Berman, United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, William F. Sweeney Jr., the Assistant Director-in-Charge of the New York Field Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), Philip R. Bartlett, the Inspector-in-Charge of the New York Office of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service (“USPIS”), and James P. O’Neill, the Commissioner of the Police Department for the City of New York (“NYPD”), announced today that RICHARD CASTRO, a/k/a “Chemsusa,” a/k/a “Chems_usa,” a/k/a “Chemical_usa,” and LUIS FERNANDEZ, have been charged with participating in a conspiracy to distribute carfentanil, fentanyl, and a fentanyl analogue over the “dark web,” including on AlphaBay and Dream Market. Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid that is significantly stronger than heroin, and carfentanil is a fentanyl analogue that is approximately 100 times stronger than fentanyl. CASTRO was arrested this morning in Windermere, Florida, and appeared before Magistrate Judge Leslie Hoffman in Orlando. FERNANDEZ was arrested this morning in the Bronx, New York, and is expected to be presented today before Chief U.S. Magistrate Judge Gabriel W. Gorenstein.

Manhattan U.S. Attorney Geoffrey S. Berman said: “Fentanyl is a chief culprit in the opioid crisis and carfentanil is 100 times stronger than fentanyl. Carfentanil is intended to be a tranquilizer for large animals. These were two of the terrifying drugs that Richard Castro and Luis Fernandez allegedly distributed in large quantities, including over the dark web, where they thought they could hide. I want to thank our partners at the FBI, USPIS, and NYPD for bringing this dark web conspiracy to light.”

FBI Assistant Director William F. Sweeney Jr. said: “Carfentanil is 10,000 more times potent than morphine. Nothing that dangerous and potentially lethal should be in the hands of users who don’t know what they’re taking, and don’t realize how quickly it can kill someone. The FBI New York and our law enforcement partners use sophisticated methods to seek out these secret and well-hidden operations, to stop the deadly epidemic sweeping through our communities and country right now.”

USPIS Inspector-in-Charge Philip R. Bartlett said: “The defendants allegedly thought they could use the mail to distribute deadly narcotics, specifically carfentanil and fentanyl, for their own profit, without concern for the communities they destroy. Their customers allegedly placed orders on the Dark Web, and encrypted email. As alleged, the defendants were counting on the anonymity of the Dark Web to conceal their crimes. Despite their best attempts at hiding their crimes, today they learned the price for using the mail to ship drugs – JUSTICE and possibly JAIL.”

NYPD Commissioner James P. O’Neill said: “As long as individuals – wherever they operate – are involved in narcotics trafficking, the NYPD and our partners will relentlessly work to stop the threat to public safety. Anyone who deals in illegal opioids should understand that the nation’s best investigators will stop at nothing to keep our community safe. I commend our colleagues at the Southern District of New York, and the investigators of the New York Office of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, and the Joint Organized Crime Task Force for their work in this investigation.”

According to the allegations contained in the Complaint[1] charging RICHARD CASTRO and LUIS FERNANDEZ:

From at least in or about November 2015 through the present, CASTRO and FERNANDEZ conspired to distribute carfentanil, fentanyl, and phenyl fentanyl (an analogue of fentanyl). For most of this period, the conspiracy dealt drugs over the dark web, using the monikers “Chemsusa,” “Chems_usa,” and “Chemical_usa.” CASTRO was an operator of these online monikers and was paid in bitcoin. On one dark web marketplace, Dream Market, “Chemsusa” boasted that it had completed more than 3200 transactions on other dark web markets, including more than 1,800 on AlphaBay. The customer feedback for “Chemsusa” included, “Extremely potent and definitely the real Carf,” as well as “The Carfent is unbelievably well synthesized, keep up the amazing work.”

In June 2018, “Chems_usa” informed its customers that it was moving its business off dark net marketplaces and would accept purchase requests for narcotics only via encrypted email. To learn the off-market email address, “Chems_usa” required willing customers to pay a fee. An undercover law enforcement officer paid this fee, obtained the encrypted email address, and placed orders with CASTRO. CASTRO’s co-conspirator, FERNANDEZ, shipped narcotics on behalf of the conspiracy, including from New York City. From November 2018 to the present, at least 94 packages have been linked to this conspiracy; several of them have tested positive for carfentanil or fentanyl. All of these packages were shipped using USPS Priority Mail envelopes, and for most of them, the sender’s purported return address was a law office or a governmental entity.

CASTRO also laundered his narcotics proceeds, including by funneling more than approximately $1.77 million through bitcoin wallets of his, and by buying approximately 100 quadrillion Zimbabwe bank notes, among other valuables, which were shipped to his residence.

* * *

RICHARD CASTRO, 36, of Windermere, Florida, and LUIS FERNANDEZ, 41, of the Bronx, New York, are each charged with one count of conspiracy to distribute and possess with the intent to distribute three controlled substances – carfentanil, phenyl fentanyl, and fentanyl – as well as one count of distributing these controlled substances via the Internet. Each of these counts carries a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years in prison and a maximum sentence of life in prison. CASTRO is also charged with one count of laundering narcotics proceeds, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. The statutory maximum sentences are prescribed by Congress and are provided here for informational purposes only, as any sentencing of the defendants will be determined by the judge.

Mr. Berman praised the FBI, USPIS, and NYPD for their outstanding work on the investigation. Mr. Berman also thanked the Internal Revenue Service and the Orange County, Florida Sheriff’s Office for their assistance in this investigation. He added that the investigation is continuing.

This matter is being handled by the Office’s Narcotics Unit. Assistant United States Attorneys Michael D. Neff, Aline R. Flodr, and Ryan B. Finkel are in charge of the prosecution.

The charges contained in the Complaint are merely accusations, and the defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
I’m curious to know the viability of Zimbabwean banknotes as a laundering method.

Harveygod
Jan 4, 2014

YEEAAH HEH HEH HEEEHH

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN

THIS TRASH WAR AIN'T GONNA SOLVE ITSELF YA KNOW

El_Elegante posted:

I’m curious to know the viability of Zimbabwean banknotes as a laundering method.

I was also wondering how that would work and then remembered that evidently it didn't.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

El_Elegante posted:

I’m curious to know the viability of Zimbabwean banknotes as a laundering method.

zimbabwe banknotes are very bad for laundering, the ink washes right off

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
Big lmao if he got scammed on that, little lmao if he just bought them for the novelty.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




fentanyl-2-go is not a legitimate business

pyknosis
Nov 23, 2007

Young Orc
fentanyl & chill on the other hand...

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

McGiggins posted:

Real talk, has there been any actual real attempt to set up an actual non-illegal marketplace for like food and poo poo with any coins?

Overstock did this for a while for what they carry, and held bitcoins on their balance sheet to some controlled degree. I don’t think they’re doing it any longer.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



lots of oddball places have taken bitcoin via bitpay or whatever at one point or another. amazon even took bitpay for a while didn't they?

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

poverty goat posted:

lots of oddball places have taken bitcoin via bitpay or whatever at one point or another. amazon even took bitpay for a while didn't they?

What is Bit-Pay?!

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
about 8 pounds

klafbang
Nov 18, 2009
Clapping Larry

poverty goat posted:

lots of oddball places have taken bitcoin via bitpay or whatever at one point or another. amazon even took bitpay for a while didn't they?

Pretty sure that was just you can buy Amazon gift cards on this dodgy website using bitcoin (thereby helping laundering stolen credit cards) and buy stuff on Amazon using the gift cards, so you can buy things on Amazon using bitcoins, so Amazon takes bitcoins.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
Tether finally admitted what loving crooks they are:

https://twitter.com/BennettTomlin/status/1105937144986644481

The critics are reacting appropriately:

https://twitter.com/CasPiancey/status/1105940462576300032

https://twitter.com/Bitfinexed/status/1106214051074502656

I wrote a Twitter shitpost about Tether, it reached 600 words and I sent it to Decrypt who ran it



This is a very concerning update by Tether, I think the community is owned an official statement from the Tether team

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AkumaHokoru
Jul 20, 2007
...so they are mad tether is tied to real currency?

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
What they're saying is that it's not necessarily tied to real currency, that's the whole point.

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

El_Elegante posted:

Big lmao if he got scammed on that, little lmao if he just bought them for the novelty.

If it was like a single bill with a value of 100 quadrillion Z$ or five 20 quads I would gladly drop $100 for the novelty.

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

CannonFodder posted:

If it was like a single bill with a value of 100 quadrillion Z$ or five 20 quads I would gladly drop $100 for the novelty.

You can definitely find hundred trillion Z$ bills for sale as novelties still.

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider

AkumaHokoru posted:

...so they are mad tether is tied to real currency?

No. Next question.

XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

divabot posted:

This is a very concerning update by Tether, I think the community is owned

I didn't even have to fix it for you.

McGiggins
Apr 4, 2014

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy
Which idiot goon was it that was saying drugs via post was super cool and good and v hard to detect?

It seems the method they used could catch literally everyone doing it.

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
THE ONLY EXERCISE I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH IS EXERCISING MY ABILITY TO MAKE A POST PEOPLE WANT TO READ

McGiggins posted:

Which idiot goon was it that was saying drugs via post was super cool and good and v hard to detect?

It seems the method they used could catch literally everyone doing it.

He owned everyone itt because he knew what he was talking about while goons like yourself were dunning krugering all over the place about how things "seem"

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
THE ONLY EXERCISE I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH IS EXERCISING MY ABILITY TO MAKE A POST PEOPLE WANT TO READ
he gave concrete explanations for all of his statements, none of which were dogmatic or had any emotional investments. All goons had to do was say "interesting, I guess it really is pretty unlikely to get caught if you buy drugs online, bitcoin is still bad because facilitating dealing carfentanil is bad", but nooo y'all had to dig in and screech about how you are right about every single thing and are experts in everything even tangentially related to crypto

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

feelix posted:

He owned everyone itt because he knew what he was talking about while goons like yourself were dunning krugering all over the place about how things "seem"

Spotted the druggie. Have you considered not doing drugs, so you don't have to give your address to some shady pusher?

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
THE ONLY EXERCISE I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH IS EXERCISING MY ABILITY TO MAKE A POST PEOPLE WANT TO READ

Lambert posted:

Spotted the druggie. Have you considered not doing drugs, so you don't have to give your address to some shady pusher?

This is the weakest goon bullshit ever. It's entirely possible to not like Thing That is Bad, while still being a moron/creep/whatever about it. And it's entirely possible to notice that you're being a creep or moron without being a purveyor or consumer of Thing That is Bad.

Same poo poo happened in the Star Citizen thread. I pointed out that doxxing employees of the bad space game and digging up their former fetish porn careers is kind of uncool and was immediately asked how many dollars I was in.

If you have to be so insecure and defensive about your actions/opinions/beliefs, maybe change them

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
Well, you're right about people being weird about Star Citizen. That doesn't mean giving over your address to some drug dealer is a grand idea.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
You don't give them your name, idiot. I go with Senor Weed because postal inspectors don't want to get accused of racial profiling.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Or you could just use a P.O. Box :shrug:

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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
In the New Zealand Mosque shooter's Manifesto he said he made money from Bitconnect.

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