Rime posted:

Despite what decades of pop media has instilled into your mind, humans are very very far from being able to pave over the earth and survive just fine. There will be no arcologies or cyberpunk dystopias. The globe will not look like a lovely coruscant, beyond our few existing megacities.

Systemic collapse is coming.

Rime posted:

I should point out that I am working in a massive gross swamp, in North Ontario. It was 20 degrees yesterday. It's been above ten degrees for over two weeks. There are all manner of critters awake right now. Snakes loving everywhere.

There are no black flies. I've seen barely a handful, one day, near some water.

This is super hosed up and terrifying to me, more than anything I've read or seen yet, as a Canadian.

thewalk posted:

Were now separate from the cycle.

DesperateDan posted:

So would dumping the bamboo tubes yearly and repacking be okay?

Thanks for the heads up

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Sounds like some weirdo Silicon Valley hallucinations

Rime posted:

Despite what decades of pop media has instilled into your mind, humans are very very far from being able to pave over the earth and survive just fine. There will be no arcologies or cyberpunk dystopias. The globe will not look like a lovely coruscant, beyond our few existing megacities.

Systemic collapse is coming.

mdemone posted:

You know, I think they will manage to scrape together one dome-like richebunker. Maybe near the end of the century, and I doubt it'll last long.

thewalk posted:

Survival of the fittest, evolution. We are a byproduct of it. We are nature as much as the bees and birds are.

Were just the most successful. Were now separate from the cycle. Now well find out if we can survive out side the cycle of nature

I commend the efforts of those trying to save the worlds ecosystem. But I think humanity will crush nature beneath our boots. In the end the planet will be covered, dominated by humans and the most efficienty way to sustain humanity. And it probably doesnt involve leaving space for other species to survive

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Paradoxish posted:

This visualization has lost some of its visceral impact since there are now lines for so many years down where the scary deviation was supposed to be.

mdemone posted:

The 2019 line's slope is significantly steeper than any/all of them, to this point.

Rauros posted:

All the Google science news headlines are about space, and it drives me nuts. Engineers want to engineer their way out of the dilemma by leaving this planet behind like we won't trash the next place if we don't figure it out here first

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REFRIGERANT MANAGEMENT

Over thirty years, containing 87 percent of refrigerants likely to be released could avoid emissions equivalent to 89.7 gigatons of carbon dioxide. Phasing out HFCs per the Kigali accord could avoid additional emissions equivalent to 25 to 78 gigatons of carbon dioxide 

StabbinHobo posted:

this is a dumb take that you got to by having a stupid reaction and then leaping to assumptions from it

space is about earth. 99.999% of it is satellites pointing right back at us.

for fucks sake google james hansen, y'know the guy with the astronomy degree who worked for nasa and did his research via satellites

Keret posted:

Ironically, the idea that we could be outside of the cycle and somehow separate from, or beyond, nature is what got us into this mess in the first place. We are inextricably tied to it, because we are it, and the only way we will survive this as a species is by somehow realizing that as a society again.

Truly, the story of humanity, I've come to think, is one of hubris. We think that we can play god and bend nature to our will without facing consequences, and then realize too late that all we've done is killed ourselves and everything else in the process.

Svensken posted:

I just realized I can't remember the last time I encountered a bee.

thewalk posted:

Its basically guaranteed that we will either become masters of this planet and crush all life but what we keep around of our choosing

Or crumble as a species because ecological collapse comes before were technologically ready. Its a race of technology vs climate collapse. So I fully support slowing the collapse to give technology its best chance. But if we succede nature will be no more.

thewalk posted:

Its basically guaranteed that we will either become masters of this planet and crush all life but what we keep around of our choosing

Or crumble as a species because ecological collapse comes before were technologically ready. Its a race of technology vs climate collapse. So I fully support slowing the collapse to give technology its best chance. But if we succede nature will be no more.

tuyop posted:

The collapse of bees is pretty regional (like in Alberta I don’t remember seeing bees at all, but once I hit Manitoba there were many) but I remember the green spaces in the city like, humming. They don’t do that anymore.

Rauros posted:

I've been watching this for the past 2 years and most of their collated science articles have little to do with the earth in general. Even factoring in the occasional earth science story, there are more science disciplines out there than earth and space. The majority of biology stories have a human angle and usually go under Health. You almost never see an ecology story in the top 4. Any scientific research based news collator doesn't have such a skew towards space. Is the agenda just that the public thinks space science is the most interesting?

Goons Are Great posted:

Sorry, but I'm afraid this is mainly a fantasy. That ecological collapse is not something that will hit us in 200 years when we might actually have done some fancy technological developments so that we somewhat have a chance, also research doesn't really go towards that direction and we heavily depend on our environment to be intact right now.

We already encounter more and more changes and will face more massive changes not only in the next 100 years, but in the next 10.
Unless until then someone comes around with an invention to fix our dependance on the environment in every branch of agriculture, industry and consumption habits in general, this is not really a question whether we can make this planet into a barren Mars land with us happily dominating it using Sci fi technology, but us surviving along with the remaining 2% of species that might be able to survive what is to come.

StabbinHobo posted:

lol you've been watching

are you kidding me with this? do you not understand how google works?

edit: everything you've ever clicked on, everything you've ever moused over, everything they can heuristically infer you've even loving gazed at is collected, combined with everything they've ever learned about you before (search, location history) and everything they could buy (credit reports, demographics), aggregated with literally billions of other people, and then intensively mined via machine learning for patterns and cohorts, so that they can then chose what headlines to display to you, in what order, at what time of day, so that there's a loving ZERO POINT ONE SEVEN PERCENT greater chance you will click it and SEE THE NEXT AD

the reason you see a specific type of space poo poo is because you're a 30 something white male american nerd who keeps loving clicking on space poo poo

Rime posted:

I should point out that I am working in a massive gross swamp, in North Ontario. It was 20 degrees yesterday. It's been above ten degrees for over two weeks. There are all manner of critters awake right now. Snakes loving everywhere.

There are no black flies. I've seen barely a handful, one day, near some water.

This is super hosed up and terrifying to me, more than anything I've read or seen yet, as a Canadian.

Tab8715 posted:

On another note, has anyone read Yuval Noah Harari books? In Homo Dues it's referenced the only time carbon emissions were reduced was during 2007-08 due to the economic downturn.

The only thing we're able to do is stop growth but that's what our economy is tied too so

Hexigrammus posted:

As a fellow Canadian that is terrifying. Black flies are a quintessential part of Canadian identity even if, like me, you don't live in a black fly zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f389hIxZAOc

On the subject of mason bees, on impulse I bought a bee house really cheap on sale at Costco last year. Brought it home and then started to do some research (a not uncommon pattern of mine). Ran into this guy's videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TjAGb3a7mg

He has opinions, but seems to have science behind him so I took the bee house back to Costco, scrounged some pallet wood and made this:



It's kind of ugly buy allows me to snoop into the bees' activities without distrupting them and is easy to clean in the fall. I started with 16 cocoons last spring and ended up with 160+. Cleaning was quick and uncomplicated. The biggest hassle was finding some dry sand to clean the coccoons.

Keret posted:

On the bright side, we in the US are majorly due for a recession, or maybe another full-blown depression depending on how the agriculture stuff shakes out this year.

I've been trying to imagine what things were like during the Depression, to have an analog for what will happen due to climate damage. My family back then were mostly poor Appalachian farmers and thus didn't even notice the Depression really, since they made their own food. But in a climate change Depression, people won't even be able to just subsist off of the land to cope, due to the wildly violent weather patterns happening now, so both cities and the country are going to feel it pretty severely.

Beekeeping Goons posted:

cool beehaus stuff

Tab8715 posted:

What is a fantasy? Bio-engineering or Geo-engineering? As of today, it is in it's infancy and historically speaking it'd be decades before we get anything useful but with the advancements in artificial intelligence we might be able to pull of few miracles. The worst part about this is weren't aren't even trying. We're instead using AI to sell ads, drive cars, etc.

I don't know how your gathering from my post that the ecological collapse is going to hit us in two hundred years. It's already happening right now and we know that if we don't make some radical changes in the next decade a big part will break and lost forever. If we continue doing what we are doing today you are absolutely correct the planet won't be able to support a large human population.

And we will all be alive to witness, live and possible die from it.

thewalk posted:

Its basically guaranteed that we will either become masters of this planet and crush all life but what we keep around of our choosing

Or crumble as a species because ecological collapse comes before were technologically ready. Its a race of technology vs climate collapse. So I fully support slowing the collapse to give technology its best chance. But if we succede nature will be no more.

Rime posted:

I should point out that I am working in a massive gross swamp, in North Ontario. It was 20 degrees yesterday. It's been above ten degrees for over two weeks. There are all manner of critters awake right now. Snakes loving everywhere.

There are no black flies. I've seen barely a handful, one day, near some water.

This is super hosed up and terrifying to me, more than anything I've read or seen yet, as a Canadian.

Rime posted:

I should point out that I am working in a massive gross swamp, in North Ontario. It was 20 degrees yesterday. It's been above ten degrees for over two weeks. There are all manner of critters awake right now. Snakes loving everywhere.

There are no black flies. I've seen barely a handful, one day, near some water.

This is super hosed up and terrifying to me, more than anything I've read or seen yet, as a Canadian.

StabbinHobo posted:

the reason you see a specific type of space poo poo is because you're a 30 something white male american nerd who keeps loving clicking on space poo poo