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First time posting in a CC thread, other than the c-spam one, after having lurked the entire last thread and just having caught up on this entire one. In the past 20 odd pages a/some poster/s talked about wanting to see the reactions once we start losing islands. In response we've already lost eight in the pacific off the north-east coast of Australia and that study was conducted in 2017. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2146594-eight-low-lying-pacific-islands-swallowed-whole-by-rising-seas/ Not much of a reaction......
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TorkianMan posted:Hey earthlings, it's been a looonnngg time since posting, but I wanted to share some artwork and get your feedback. For some background, I'm trying to make images that can be used by climate activist groups to illustrate their message. Reading climate data is boring (for some), but I think art can convey a lot. They’re beautiful! Can we just use them? Do you have them in 4K? I deliver these talks and I could totally use some about how mitigation is kind of an economic opportunity for lots of people as long as we don’t just go about it in the same old way that we did with every other capital project and use it to make the rich richer, hahahaha.
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May 2, 2019 10:41
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TorkianMan posted:Hey earthlings, it's been a looonnngg time since posting, but I wanted to share some artwork and get your feedback. For some background, I'm trying to make images that can be used by climate activist groups to illustrate their message. Reading climate data is boring (for some), but I think art can convey a lot. Good God, they are absolutely gorgeous. You got some real talent! Feel free to share more if you'd like, I'd be happy to use them for an upcoming conference.
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May 2, 2019 10:58
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TorkianMan posted:Hey earthlings, it's been a looonnngg time since posting, but I wanted to share some artwork and get your feedback. For some background, I'm trying to make images that can be used by climate activist groups to illustrate their message. Reading climate data is boring (for some), but I think art can convey a lot. Holy poo poo goddamn, I want that first one printed in every way imaginable. You've got ridiculous talent.
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May 2, 2019 13:14
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Can I pick death by dogs when climate change starts coming to a head?
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May 2, 2019 13:23
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Nice eurocentric view of earth~ For real though, great art
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May 2, 2019 13:27
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Silver Nitrate posted:Hey climate thread I have a local issue and I need some help brainstorming. I live in a city of ~100k. On the south edge there is a river. There is only one road that goes out of town and over the river. The next bridge is 17 miles away. Oklahoma is incredibly hostile to bikes, still. The Canadian has a giant loving riverbed which has discouraged bridges to only a few sporadic places as necessary for traffic, so that's why it's like that.
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May 2, 2019 14:16
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What's the situation like wrt to biofuels as a using algae for diesel and plastic and poo poo? Besides knowing that they're A Thing I'm woefully ignorant about it. I'm halfway through a PhD in cellular engineering for biopharmaceutical production, and I'm becoming more aware that this field largely exists to keep old rich people alive. Starting to think I could put my pipetting skills to better use in algae.
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May 2, 2019 15:31
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The situation is that we need to stop burning fuels and making plastic crap.
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May 2, 2019 15:37
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and keeping old rich people alive.
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May 2, 2019 16:03
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Biofuels are just the oil companies trying to say "see it's okay no worries about peak oil" that poo poo still burns so we still need to cut it, at this rate we might not even make it to peak oil before poo poo kicks off.
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May 2, 2019 16:50
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There are a few dirt plugs in my beehouse  .
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May 2, 2019 16:58
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Shima Honnou posted:Biofuels are just the oil companies trying to say "see it's okay no worries about peak oil" that poo poo still burns so we still need to cut it, at this rate we might not even make it to peak oil before poo poo kicks off. 100mbpd of 20:1 nets you 1900 "units" of energy to power your economy 120mbpd with 80mbpd at 20:1 and 40mbpd at 2:1 nets you 1560 20% "growth" in oil production but an 18% loss of energy we don't actually care about oil because its oil, we care about it because its energy and because roughly speaking joules = gdp. just because the number of barrels per day is going up doesn't mean the number of joules isn't going down (or flatlining) StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 18:01 on May 2, 2019 |
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May 2, 2019 17:17
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Well all of that is jolly dissapointing
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May 2, 2019 17:53
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VW refutes the bogus "diesel cars are better than EV's for the climate" study. https://chargedevs.com/newswire/new-study-from-vw-confirms-evs-produce-lower-emissions-than-diesels/ “For the same vehicle models with different powertrains, the carbon footprint of the battery-powered E variants is already better than those of the corresponding vehicles with internal combustion engines. In addition, the electric vehicles offer a higher CO2-saving potential in all phases of the product cycle,” write the study’s authors.
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Microsoft joins group seeking to kill off historic climate change lawsuits Legal immunity would squash raft of climate lawsuits launched by cities and counties across the US seeking compensation for damages Microsoft has joined a conservative-led group that demands fossil fuel companies be granted legal immunity from attempts to claw back damages from the climate change they helped cause. The stated goals of the Climate Leadership Council (CLC) include a $40-a-ton fee on carbon dioxide emissions in return for the gutting of current climate change regulations and “protecting companies from federal and state tort liability for historic emissions”. Microsoft has become the first technology company to join the CLC, which includes oil giants BP, ExxonMobil, Shell, Total and ConocoPhillips among its founding members. Handing legal immunity to these oil companies would squash a cavalcade of recent climate lawsuits launched by cities and counties across the US, including one by King county, Washington, where Microsoft is based. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/01/microsoft-joins-group-seeking-to-avoid-climate-change-lawsuit
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May 2, 2019 18:20
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$40 a ton is as bad as nothing. We need the price to be in the hundreds to thousands a ton to actually change behavior.
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May 2, 2019 18:22
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Trabisnikof posted:$40 a ton is as bad as nothing. We need the price to be in the hundreds to thousands a ton to actually change behavior. For burning oil that would add about $120 to the cost per metric ton of oil. I think that's like 16 or 17 $ a barrel. Yes it's way too small.
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May 2, 2019 18:46
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BrandorKP posted:For burning oil that would add about $120 to the cost per metric ton of oil. I think that's like 16 or 17 $ a barrel. Yes it's way too small. Exactly. Hell, we know what its like if we raise the price of oil by +$100 a barrel. That was 2008. So we already know that even a $400 a ton carbon tax would be too little, and these companies want us to trade all legal liability for a 1/10th of the market variability of their commodity. Anyone who backs this poo poo is as bad as a denier.
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i dunno it seems like its always gonna be two steps, one to install the dial and then a second to turn the dial. i would like to get the dial installed. and those lawsuits aren't gonna go anywhere anyway. i wish they would but you know the judiciary is not saving us from climate change. well at least not before president ocasio-cortez packs it with an entire k-pop band.
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May 2, 2019 19:09
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StabbinHobo posted:i dunno it seems like its always gonna be two steps, one to install the dial and then a second to turn the dial. i would like to get the dial installed. But they want to trade away all liability for their climate crimes ever in exchange for $40 a ton which then they'll tell the public "climate change is solved." This is letting the oil companies install the dial so they can make sure its not hooked up to anything, to continue your metaphor. This is exactly what they did in California btw, they worked with the Sierra Club and other industry friendly groups to make sure that not only were the loopholes big enough and profitable enough but also that California is forbidden from new regulations on oil & gas in exchange for a climate scheme filled with intentional and profitable loopholes.
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Trabisnikof posted:Exactly. Hell, we know what its like if we raise the price of oil by +$100 a barrel. That was 2008. In terms of negating liability, I'm not sure that would stand up in court. I say in an era of Republican judicial dominance. gently caress. E: Not that Democratic judicial dominance would necessarily alter that in a substantial way, but there'd be a better chance of it. Admiral Ray fucked around with this message at 19:33 on May 2, 2019 |
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May 2, 2019 19:26
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What's the name of that effect where you see endangered animals everywhere as mascots so the perception of their scarcity goes down?
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May 2, 2019 19:45
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tuyop posted:What's the name of that effect where you see endangered animals everywhere as mascots so the perception of their scarcity goes down? bullshitting??
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May 2, 2019 20:19
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tuyop posted:What's the name of that effect where you see endangered animals everywhere as mascots so the perception of their scarcity goes down? I think you're describing what's talked about in this article. quote:These species are therefore ubiquitous in our culture through what could be called virtual populations. The public perception of the conservation status of these species appears to reflect virtual populations rather than real ones. This is not surprising, because most people will only see wild animals in virtual populations. We suggest that the abovementioned mismatch between perceived and real conservation status may be due to the fact that people base their perception of these species on their virtual rather than real populations. It is unfortunately difficult to unambiguously demonstrate a causal relationship between the overabundance of virtual species and the biased perception of their actual endangerment, mostly because causes of ignorance are always multiple and difficult to isolate and unconditionally tie in. The authors didn't give a name to the proposed phenomenon, nor did they establish any convincing evidence that it's real.
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twice burned ice posted:I think you're describing what's talked about in this article. Ah, interesting. I think I first read about it in The Last Child in the Woods, but I think Louv was pointing out that it was concerning that kids could name tons of endangered species from around the world but very few from their own communities.
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tuyop posted:They’re beautiful! Can we just use them? Do you have them in 4K? You can feel free to use them non-commercially, for talks, to print for yourself and share as much as you want! I do have 4K versions, usually for my Patreons, but send me your email and I can drop you some files (I'm at sabodley@gmail.com). What size do you usually present at and what kind of presentations do you do?
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May 2, 2019 23:47
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Goons Are Great posted:Good God, they are absolutely gorgeous. You got some real talent! Thanks so much! Which conference are you thinking? As a reclusive artist I'm trying to get out to environmental conferences and am open to suggestions for good events. I have tons more on my website and patreon from the past, but I will definitely share with you all the latest and greatest pieces that come out of the studio!
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Nice eurocentric view of earth~ Thanks dude, and thanks for your eurocentric comment. You inspire me to find more interesting ways to show the poles and continents.
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StabbinHobo posted:i dunno it seems like its always gonna be two steps, one to install the dial and then a second to turn the dial. i would like to get the dial installed. I get what you're saying, but I don't think there's really any precedent for the reality of American politics working this way. Like, the income tax exists, but all way we can ever seem to do in practice is lower it. We're talking about a carbon tax that's actually an order of magnitude too low, so I really can't picture how the gently caress we'd ever convince anyone to hike it by an appropriate amount. I feel like you basically have to get pretty close to the target on the first shot or not only are you never going to bring it up, you'll be stuck in an endless debate about whether it should actually be lower.
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i believe we're on a more or less self-propelled ratchet at this point. the science keeps getting worse, the popular understanding of the science keeps catching up, the material reality of the environment keeps getting worse. things are only going to escalate from here. the conventional wisdom of political feasibility for the last 40 years will not be a valid assumption going forward
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May 3, 2019 05:08
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It's weird how many people think that getting eaten by an animal is a cool death.
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May 3, 2019 11:24
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TorkianMan posted:You can feel free to use them non-commercially, for talks, to print for yourself and share as much as you want! I do have 4K versions, usually for my Patreons, but send me your email and I can drop you some files (I'm at sabodley@gmail.com). What size do you usually present at and what kind of presentations do you do? Email sent. I deliver presentations to schools and some community organizations with XR. I also got a grant from the federal government for developing a workshop on climate change for Nova Scotia schools so I may be able to send some money your way. Details in the email, thanks!
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CODChimera posted:It's weird how many people think that getting eaten by an animal is a cool death.
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May 3, 2019 11:57
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CODChimera posted:It's weird how many people think that getting eaten by an animal is a cool death. Maybe it's about thinking you have a chance to grapple with nature in its most primal form before being killed. But nobody should want to be killed by a big cat, that would be an extremely horrible death. You would be alive as they started to eat your entrails.
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mdemone posted:Maybe it's about thinking you have a chance to grapple with nature in its most primal form before being killed. But nobody should want to be killed by a big cat, that would be an extremely horrible death. You would be alive as they started to eat your entrails. I've had enough cats over the years that the thought of running into one of the giant cats in the wild is legitimately terrifying.
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mdemone posted:Maybe it's about thinking you have a chance to grapple with nature in its most primal form before being killed. But nobody should want to be killed by a big cat, that would be an extremely horrible death. You would be alive as they started to eat your entrails.
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large carnivores will die out almost completely and in the future will mostly only exist in smaller domesticated forms. grassland herbivores and burrowing rodents are going to do okay imo
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I don't want to get killed by any animal but they're free to feast on my corpse after I have a heart attack or whatever.
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