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banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




nine-gear crow posted:

What’s more, Kathleen Kennedy has no time for fuckups and fools.

Aside from being the biggest one herself I guess.

nine-gear crow posted:

Also Phil Lord and Chris Miller got fired too, but that was because they made an actual good Star Wars movie and it scared everyone at Disney

TFA was mangled to death with reshoots and replaced/removed dialog and a ton of nonsensical edits but you can still see what they were originally trying to go for. No matter how hard you look at Solo: A Stillborn Story theres nothing there to suggest there was a "good" movie hiding under all that trash.

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pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Katt posted:

Were we not supposed to root for Stannis?

I mean Ned died to make Stannis king and Renley is like "na I'm goona be king because it sounds like fun" Basically shattering the whole kingdom and unleashing death and devastation on the population he supposedly was so much more in touch with.

I thought the problem with Stannis is he's totally uncompromising. A political entity like the seven kingdoms runs on a certain amount of understanding, and mercy. But if, for example, Edmure I dunno raped someone, and the penalty for rape is death, then Stannis would have Edmure executed. Even though he's a high lord. Even though he would probably stay in Rivverun, and so it would lead to a civil war. So none of the high lords, or even lords in general, would probably really want Stannis to be king, because he'd instantly erode a lot of their privileges.

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Katt posted:

Were we not supposed to root for Stannis?


d&d re-wrote stannis to be more villainous while making renly a lot more sympathetic than he is in the books

so id say despite the large number of stan stans in the fandom, nah d&d did not think people were meant to root for him

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



banned from Starbucks posted:

Aside from being the biggest one herself I guess.


TFA was mangled to death with reshoots and replaced/removed dialog and a ton of nonsensical edits but you can still see what they were originally trying to go for. No matter how hard you look at Solo: A Stillborn Story theres nothing there to suggest there was a "good" movie hiding under all that trash.

I’ll die on the hill that all the good parts of that movie were the scraps they left in

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

i got the impression that in solo's case, the "pickup shoots" were pretty much them re-doing the entire film

there were maybe like 2 scenes in it that felt lord+miller at all

anyway if we're gonna argue about whether disneywars is good (the answer is the main films are good and the side films are bad) we should do it in star wars thread

if i have learned anything in the past 2 years, it's that nothing fucks things up faster than a star wars derail

suffice to say that kennedy has fired a majority of the directors she's hired and i can't imagine that d&d, being obvious dipshits, will be spared

PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 22:50 on May 11, 2019

The Little Kielbasa
Mar 29, 2001

and another thing: im not mad. please dont put in the newspaper that i got mad.
Show Stannis was an utter waste of time and should've died at Blackwater. Have Davos take the black if you want to keep his actor around (which would have the side benefit of him actually developing a relationship with Jon Snow). Mel can wander to whatever storyline needs some mysticism or gratuitous nudity at the moment.

Cut Stannis, Dorne, and other crap like Ramsay-Sansa and THE FOOKING LEGEND OF GIN ALLEY. Voila, now you have more than enough time to tell the ice zombie and iron throne stories competently.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

The Little Kielbasa posted:

Cut ... THE FOOKING LEGEND OF GIN ALLEY.

You shut your whore mouth!

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

The Little Kielbasa posted:

Cut [...] THE FOOKING LEGEND OF GIN ALLEY.

mods???!?

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!
ffs goddamnit crow

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

The thing is, Jon vs Dany is clearly what the story has been building to this whole time. When Dany has vision in the House of the Undying, she clearly see Rhaegar talking about one of his sons and he says "his is the song of Ice and Fire." In this case, song meaning story. All of the books are simply about how a young bastard boy finds out he's royalty and consolidates his power and rules over Westeros as his families did before him. The North will bend because he's a Stark, and everywhere else will bend because he's a Targ. This entire time, the side plot of Dany was simply a red herring. And that owns bones and balls on so many levels.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Ice v Fire: Dawn of Song

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



I mean there’s something to be said that I remember Karl fuckin Tanner the legend of gin alley way more than I do the entire Locke storyline minus Jaime losing his hand

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

TK-42-1 posted:

I mean there’s something to be said that I remember Karl fuckin Tanner the legend of gin alley way more than I do the entire Locke storyline minus Jaime losing his hand

Jaime was in LOST?

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
Why Locke instead of Vargo “the Goat” Hoat

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Calaveron posted:

Why Locke instead of Vargo “the Goat” Hoat

the world will hopefully never know

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Calaveron posted:

Why Locke instead of Vargo “the Goat” Hoat

Because a book-accurate, hell, even a book adjacent Vargo Hoat on TV would be racist as poo poo. Not that that really would have stopped D&D, but still.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

nine-gear crow posted:

Because a book-accurate, hell, even a book adjacent Vargo Hoat on TV would be racist as poo poo. Not that that really would have stopped D&D, but still.

Legit question, why? What country/race adjacent is Qohor for?

Ultimates2
Mar 3, 2009

Get your popcorn ready

chaosapiant posted:

I’m pretty sure the books will end with Jon killing Dany

Yeah agreed. I think he'll stab her with dragonglass and Drogon takes her body north of the wall and she becomes the new night's queen. The leaks allude to this, and that's actually a good ending if it's written well. It's a shame it won't be.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Calaveron posted:

Why Locke instead of Vargo “the Goat” Hoat

You would have to introduce the entire Brave Companions and his lisp would be ridiculous on screen.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Ague Proof posted:

You would have to introduce the entire Brave Companions and his lisp would be ridiculous on screen.

I kind of thought the brave companions were stupid, to begin with, mostly because how did they get there so quick. Like the war kicks off and immediately they are out raping and pillaging. They somehow knew to be available to travel across the sea how?

UnlimitedSpessmans
Jul 31, 2015

pseudanonymous posted:

I kind of thought the brave companions were stupid, to begin with, mostly because how did they get there so quick. Like the war kicks off and immediately they are out raping and pillaging. They somehow knew to be available to travel across the sea how?

maybe tywin had them on a retainer, the brave companions own though.

another thing about stannis is they cut alot of the more sympathic scenes he has in the books where he's shown to be a pretty good dude overall.

and he has some of the funniest lines in the books.

SirKibbles
Feb 27, 2011

I didn't like your old red text so here's some dancing cash. :10bux:
Ok so I'm going to just post this whole thing because loving lol

quote:

What did Euron think when Tyrion revealed that he knew about Cersei’s baby?

In the episode, Cersei (Lena Headey) tells Euron (Pilou Asbæk) that he is the father of her unborn baby for the first time we see on-screen. There’s no 23andMe in Westeros, so Captain Jack Sparrow Euron buys it ― having no idea that Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) is the child’s actual father.

They’re one big, happy, murderous family for about two minutes until the army of Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) meets with Cersei at the gates of King’s Landing. Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) tries to plead with his sister to surrender, begging her to do it for the life of her child.

But wait.

Since Euron just found out about the baby, and he’s standing right behind Cersei in the scene, wouldn’t he question how Tyrion knew this information? That’s what fans were wondering after the episode.

For Nutter, the scene wasn’t really about that.

I think Euron, he’s not paying that much attention,” Nutter said, explaining that the scene was more about Tyrion appealing to Cersei’s softer side.

Apparently, Tyrion wanted Cersei to “realize that she wasn’t a monster at all, that she was really, truly a mother.”

“That was an intense scene,” Nutter continued. “I think any type of Euron intrusion there would’ve weakened the intent of what we were trying to tell.”


Why didn’t we see Sansa and Arya react to the news of Jon’s real identity?

The true parentage of Jon Snow (Kit Harington) — that is, the fact that he’s really the son of Lyanna Stark (Aisling Franciosi) and Rhaegar Targaryen (Wilf Scolding) and therefore the heir to the Iron Throne — has always been the core mystery of “Game of Thrones.” So one of the most significant moments of Episode 4, and the entire series for that matter, comes when Jon and Bran (Isaac Hempstead Wright) reveal the truth to Sansa (Sophie Turner) and Arya (Maisie Williams).

“I need to tell you something. But you have to swear you’ll never tell another soul,” says Jon.

Arya swears it while Sansa kind of mumbles, but then, right before Bran is about to tell them the big secret, the scene cuts off.

Following the episode, people were wondering: Why?

Were Arya and Sansa happy? Sad? Angry? Mad?

Nutter explained that because the reveal had been done a couple times before for viewers ― Sam (John Bradley) told Jon about his parentage in the Season 8 premiere, and Jon told Dany in Episode 2 — the siblings’ moment was left out of the story.

“We knew what Jon and/or Bran was going to say. What was going to come out of their mouth? Aegon Targaryen,” explained Nutter. “So it’s kind of wasted time.”

Why did Jaime go back to Cersei?
Perhaps the most talked about moment of the episode was when Jaime leaves in the middle of the night to go back to Cersei after having started an intimate relationship with Brienne (Gwendoline Christie).

What’s going on here? Is Jaime’s arc over the last eight seasons just getting thrown out the window like Bran in Season 1?

While some have speculated Jaime is actually on a mission to take down Cersei and is just keeping Brienne in the dark about it, Nutter seemed to debunk that notion.

“I think [it’s] this magnet. He’s always running back to Cersei ... and he can’t help himself. Too powerful for him to try to control,” said Nutter, explaining how Jaime feels about his sister. “And he needs to get back to her. I think it’s the kind of thing where he’s realizing who he is and what he’s made of.”

[Can Sansa really not keep a secret?
Ned Stark (Sean Bean) kept the secret of Jon’s parentage for years. Sansa seems to hold it in for only a few hours.

Given that she swears secrecy to Jon one minute and spills the tea the next, we asked Nutter why Sansa couldn’t just play the quiet game a little while longer.

“Well, she doesn’t say it blatantly, of course, basically inferred it, so I think that that’s a moment that Tyrion has to put two and two together,” Nutter said.

Explaining more of Sansa’s state of mind, the director said right now she’s just trying to keep order in her house, with another battle looming.

“That’s her No. 1 thing, I think. Keep her family safe and her kingdom whole.”

Bonus: Was that statue Old Jon?
The “Game of Thrones” Season 8 promo, “Crypts of Winterfell,” was all about whipping up suspense by teasing the deaths of the Starks, showing Jon, Sansa and Arya staring at their own burial statues in the Winterfell crypts.

After the teaser, a lot of people were wondering, “Is Jon Snow’s statue looking a little long in the tooth?”

If Jon’s statue did depict an older Snow, it could be a hint that he makes it through to the end of the story. So did Jon trade in his life as a Crow for crow’s feet?

Nutter, who directed the teaser, said people are “reading too far into the statue.”

“That is not intentional, in any respect,” he said.


So Euron forgot, it's not important to see siblings react to learning their brother isn't their brother and Sansa did no take backsies (in a Godswood you know the place when you're not supposed to lie lol)

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

SirKibbles posted:

Ok so I'm going to just post this whole thing because loving lol


So Euron forgot, it's not important to see siblings react to learning their brother isn't their brother and Sansa did no take backsies (in a Godswood you know the place when you're not supposed to lie lol)

“X kind of forgot about Y” is quickly becoming a meme being hung around the show’s neck and it’s great :allears:

UnlimitedSpessmans
Jul 31, 2015
ned didn't keep lyannas secret, he just forgot jon wasn't actually his son.

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames

nine-gear crow posted:

“X kind of forgot about Y” is quickly becoming a meme being hung around the show’s neck and it’s great :allears:

They spent two years making a six episode season where they don't remember anything from the previous seasons.

Every bit of fan scorn is deserved, and I say that as someone who WANTED the show to piss off everyone.

But I didn't specify to the cursed monkey paw "with dramatic twists that kill popular main characters". So here we are, with deadeye ballista pirates, people forgetting their own back stories, and plot holes as wide as goatse.

dudeness
Mar 5, 2010

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Fallen Rib
Do we know for certain that he isn't Ned's son, he sure seems to put an irresponsible amount of trust in one loudmouth braggart that can't stop making everyone uncomfortable with his hosed up sex stories and who's sole redeeming quality is "big and swings a hammer".

UnlimitedSpessmans
Jul 31, 2015

dudeness posted:

Do we know for certain that he isn't Ned's son, he sure seems to put an irresponsible amount of trust in one loudmouth braggart that can't stop making everyone uncomfortable with his hosed up sex stories and who's sole redeeming quality is "big and swings a hammer".

king robert was the best and the coolest and any criticism of him is just targ propaganda.

(he's also the only character the show couldn't ruin)

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames
Never going to stop laughing at "what kind of a mad man rides a dragon?" 3 episodes after Tormund rode a dragon.

David Benioaf: "So Tormund just kinda forgot he's ridden a dragon."

In It For The Tank
Feb 17, 2011

But I've yet to figure out a better way to spend my time.

Mike N Eich posted:

I also think 'Dany goes mad, Jon kills her' ending owns on so many levels. One : it's gonna piss off people who love Daenerys a lot. Two: It could have been set up significantly better, but because of awful writing and a lack of range on Clarke's part, its gonna come across as totally unearned and stupid, a shock ending. Three: I don't really have a three, I love one and two so much.

I gotta say, I've always been down on Emilia Clarke's acting, outside of certain scenes like the revolt in Astapor, but she has been doing really well with what she's been given this season. Enough for me to think that, much like most of the other main characters, the writing is what holds them back.

The Anime Liker
Aug 8, 2009

by VideoGames
Clarke definitely rises above the writing.

Jon and Dany are written and directed to be boring and stoic because D&D suck, but the few moments where they're allowed to act, like Jon and Edd loving around, or Dany dropping her guard around Missandei, gives you a tiny window into the truth that it's not the actors, it's the writers.

See also: Jonathan Price and Diana Rigg taking show-only dialog and spinning gold from poo poo, or Lena Headey genuinely selling some dog poo poo writing.

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

pseudanonymous posted:

I kind of thought the brave companions were stupid, to begin with, mostly because how did they get there so quick. Like the war kicks off and immediately they are out raping and pillaging. They somehow knew to be available to travel across the sea how?

They were a pre-planned Dornish psy-op.

According to PJ.

Not kidding.

e. I actually like this theory, he put a lot of effort into it.

Zenithe fucked around with this message at 06:27 on May 12, 2019

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

https://iceandfire.fandom.com/wiki/Brave_Companions

What's up with this page?

quote:

Vargo starts to grow suspicious of Roose, thinking that he intends to join the Lannisters against his king, Robb Stark, and attempts to force a wedge between him and Lord Tywin by having Ser Jaime Lannister'ssword hand after he takes the kingslayer prisoner.

Roose would abandon Harrenhal, leaving it for Vargo. Vargo was now paranoid and would try to rape the prisoner Brienne of Tarth, but she would bite off his ear, which would become infected and cause him to go insane. After this he would be abandoned by the other members of his group.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

It's a wiki. Someone edited and did a bad job?

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.

pseudanonymous posted:

It's a wiki. Someone would edit it and do a bad job?

ftfy

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Brave_Companions

AWOIAF is a better wiki anyway.

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

Zenithe posted:

They were a pre-planned Dornish psy-op.

According to PJ.

Not kidding.

e. I actually like this theory, he put a lot of effort into it.

PJs show videos are good but his book theories are insane and I feel like he's just doing a shtick. He skips over obvious explanations to laser focus on random sentences that he thinks GRRM wrote as little hints, not realizing that there is no way Gurm put as much effort into these insane theories as PJ does

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

A Typical Goon posted:

PJs show videos are good but his book theories are insane and I feel like he's just doing a shtick. He skips over obvious explanations to laser focus on random sentences that he thinks GRRM wrote as little hints, not realizing that there is no way Gurm put as much effort into these insane theories as PJ does

Sounds like the ASOIAF subreddit on a good day.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.

christmas boots posted:

I didn’t know if I was supposed to post them here even if spoiled but Jon kills Dany and gives up the throne to go North and possibly rejoin the Watch. Either way he reunites with Ghost and goes up past the wall, finding a group of dead wildlings arranged in the white walker pattern. Cut to black.

supposedly last shot of the series. I've never wished for anything so hard in my life.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Solice Kirsk posted:

supposedly last shot of the series. I've never wished for anything so hard in my life.

There’s no way that actually happens, there’s no CGI budget for ghost.

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TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



https://twitter.com/dsilvermint/status/1125856091261136896

this is a good thread

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