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Nocturtle posted:A quick review of ice core data makes it clear we didn't actually evolve in this climate: I was just about to post this! We don’t want to live on a planet that’s > 400ppm. We might be the most advanced apex predator but there’s a big difference between living and living well.
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thewalk posted:Almosy completely fail? A quick google didnt bring up anything so direct. Can you share so I can spread it?  Can't plant corn if the ground is wet, the ground is currently underwater. Feet of it, in several states. The record flooding in the midwest isn't really making the news for some reason. Anyways, BrandorKP is probably bang on with his analysis vs. mine, unfortunately. We still have too much redundant supply in the system capable of taking up events like this. If this continues multi-year, I guess that could be some poo poo. I'm re-reading Industrial Civilization and Its Future and marveling once again at how loving on the nose it was.
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May 14, 2019 19:16
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Can corn grow in chilly weather 'cause looking it up Illinois is one of the big producers and they're oscillating between like 50F and 70F depending on what day it is.
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May 14, 2019 19:37
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Rime posted:
What do you watch for news? There’s a ton of coverage from The NY Times to local channels. Source - I live in the Midwest. And are you referring to The Unabombers manfesto? Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 20:04 on May 14, 2019 |
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May 14, 2019 19:59
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Shima Honnou posted:Can corn grow in chilly weather 'cause looking it up Illinois is one of the big producers and they're oscillating between like 50F and 70F depending on what day it is. Its more the fields are too wet to plow than the weather (that's fine for corn growing. Not ideal, but fine. More about the sun than the temp). Also the fact that they were warehousing all those soybeans that China wasn't buying because of the tariffs and oops floods took out the stockpiles and now they're washed away or rotting in flooded silos.
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May 14, 2019 20:05
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Time to convert Illinois into a giant rice plantation 
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May 14, 2019 20:20
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This is the point where somebody mentions they've been reading the uninhabitable earth and then somebody else throws them industrial civilization and its future. I was actually just rereading the bit of uninhabitable where he delves into the unfeasibleness of carbon capture tech. It's astronomically expensive for a sip of the entire anthropene carbon. It's a fools fight. 100% techlords will be trying to do it with bitcoin. Also hyperobjects. It sounds daft but I reckon our answer is some sort of app that utilizes ai to direct everyone via their phones as to the limits of their movement and consumption. Authoritarian and surveillance. The only way out of the labyrinth is to become black mirror. Wait. No I don't. I demand full ecological luxury anarcho primitivism now. e: seriously read Aurora and then read reports on Midwest flooding soil loss. We are a colony ship without a planet. Lampsacus fucked around with this message at 20:39 on May 14, 2019 |
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May 14, 2019 20:32
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Oh yeah one more thing hosed farmers are going to get bought out by even larger agribusiness (edit some the same that are deforesting the rainforest), further exacerbating the problems created by scale. Next year getting loans (that they need every year) may not happen because they haven't been able to pay back this year's loans. Late goverment payments (possibly intentionally late) intended to offset tariff losses haven't come in and thier lenders dont give a gently caress .
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May 14, 2019 20:37
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Griffen posted:The next layer of problem in this climate change onion is that the time scale for reaching a climate equilibrium point is far longer than the time scale of the disturbance. From the books I've read on the subject, scientists are suggesting that a new equilibrium point won't be reached for thousands or tens of thousands of years. Thus from global society's perspective, there is no longer such a concept as equilibrium. That is the reason that carbon capture and sequestration is important, even beyond all the benefits of reduce CO2 content below 400 ppm - it is one of the few ways we have to control the input perturbation into the global system. If we can cut CO2 levels back, you can attenuate the changes that will occur over the next few millenia. Sure, you've got feedback loops that are potential land mines (e.g. methane in the Siberian permafrost), but if you can get CC&S working on a global scale within this century, you have the chance to make a meaningful impact. While this is true, at present the purpose of negative emission tech is to assure the current generation of policymakers that we didn't cross the 2C warming threshold on their watch. See global leaders talking about the Paris Accords as if the 1.5C target was remotely achievable. It's magical thinking. Decarbonization is the challenge of our generation and posters here above the age of 5 probably shouldn't worry about the practical implementation of negative emission systems. Whatever level of international co-ordination and investment needed to implement Gt-scale negative emissions systems is also required to decarbonize, and we need to do that first. Similarly if we can't decarbonize then there's no point worrying about implementing negative emissions, they can't help in this case. It's not like we can decarbonize instantly anyway. If and when we're on track towards zero emissions there will be a couple of decades to work out what if anything can really be done about the CO2 already in the atmosphere.
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May 14, 2019 21:00
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Lampsacus posted:I was actually just rereading the bit of uninhabitable where he delves into the unfeasibleness of carbon capture tech. It's astronomically expensive for a sip of the entire anthropene carbon. It's a fools fight. 100% techlords will be trying to do it with bitcoin. He does? He was just a Recode podcast stating it’s technically feasible just the requirements essential require a restructuring of society. Basically, it requires a global revolution.
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May 14, 2019 21:02
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Tab8715 posted:What do you watch for news? Radio, I'm in the PNW. And yes. Anti-Tech Revolution is also fantastic.
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May 14, 2019 21:09
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Looks like those flooded areas in NE, IA, MO and IL will remain so.
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May 14, 2019 22:03
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looking forward to the new inland sea. A great lake, if you will.
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May 14, 2019 22:04
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I don't live there but if I did I'd be more worried about the plagues of midges or similar creatures.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_asP_s6EII
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May 14, 2019 22:17
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WaryWarren posted:Looks like those flooded areas in NE, IA, MO and IL will remain so. If the CFS is correct with synoptics this pattern will likely last all the way to summer.
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May 14, 2019 22:42
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Paradoxish posted:What kind of numbers are you looking for? Does it scale linearly or....? Tab8715 posted:CSS is uneconomical at scale in the sense that it’s a net loss for basically everyone. We won’t earn a profit and it will essentially just have to be yet another tax. The kind of pressure needed for doing this doesn't seem too unreasonable when hundreds and hundreds of millions of people start starving and migrate to where there's still food.
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May 15, 2019 01:10
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Flannelette posted:Does it scale linearly or....? The majority of those people are from poor countries on or near the equator. 
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May 15, 2019 01:22
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Tab8715 posted:The majority of those people are from poor countries on or near the equator. Will be horrific when the caravans to the usa really kick in.
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May 15, 2019 01:56
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the uninhabitable earth is a hell of a book, packed with facts and also ridiculously entertaining, i don't think i've seen an author get so excited about the end of the world since the road
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May 15, 2019 02:44
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he's not happy about the human death toll or about the natural world conquering nyc but i get the feeling he's genuinely pumped to watch all those trillions of dollars spiral away into the atmosphere like poison smoke
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May 15, 2019 02:46
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Flannelette posted:Does it scale linearly or....? There's not going to be a simple answer and it largely depends on which technology we're talking about, but right now conservative estimates are north of $500/ton at industrial scales. So those estimates aren't really intended to be the cost to remove one ton of CO2 from the atmosphere, they're the cost per ton at scale. They're just estimates, though. The problem is that even halving them still puts the overall cost at laughably, impossibly expensive.
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May 15, 2019 02:59
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thewalk posted:Will be horrific when the caravans to the usa really kick in. Can't have a mass migration when the wet-bulb reading is over 35c.
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May 15, 2019 03:21
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nankeen posted:he's not happy about the human death toll or about the natural world conquering nyc but i get the feeling he's genuinely pumped to watch all those trillions of dollars spiral away into the atmosphere like poison smoke And if you similarly want to get hype about climate change, the CSPAM thread is for you.
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redleader posted:And if you similarly want to get hype about climate change, the CSPAM thread is for you.
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yaffle posted:Can't have a mass migration when the wet-bulb reading is over 35c. Millions will still make it to the boarder thewalk fucked around with this message at 07:47 on May 15, 2019 |
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May 15, 2019 07:33
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thewalk posted:Millions will still make it to the boarder Adding on to this, while 90+ temperatures and almost 100% humidity absolutely loving suck to work and walk for long periods of time in its 100% possible and even my scrawny rear end did it for about 45 days solid with a ten hour work day. You just sweat sheets and need to drink a gently caress ton.
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May 15, 2019 08:40
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Telsa Cola posted:Adding on to this, while 90+ temperatures and almost 100% humidity absolutely loving suck to work and walk for long periods of time in its 100% possible and even my scrawny rear end did it for about 45 days solid with a ten hour work day. That might be a problem with the water scarcity kicking in too, but something tells me that even in the midst of the most severe drought there will be ♫ Always Coca-Cola ♫ fake edit: Actually their 1995 slogan works better in the kind of world we're expecting -- "Always and Only Coca-Cola". real edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/14/world/americas/mexico-coca-cola-diabetes.html RIP Syndrome fucked around with this message at 14:05 on May 15, 2019 |
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Telsa Cola posted:Adding on to this, while 90+ temperatures and almost 100% humidity absolutely loving suck to work and walk for long periods of time in its 100% possible and even my scrawny rear end did it for about 45 days solid with a ten hour work day. It's pretty basic thermodynamics and you apparently don't understand it. quote:Previous work has shown that a wet-bulb temperature of 35°C can be considered an upper limit on human survivability. DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.1603322 quote:When humans sweat, that moisture evaporates into the air, which transfers heat energy away from the skin. However, when the wet-bulb temperature reaches the temperature of the skin, at about 95 degrees Fahrenheit, it becomes impossible for heat to move away from the body in this way. If we can't sweat we die and pretty drat quick, even while sitting in the shade...
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May 15, 2019 15:16
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Furcht posted:It's pretty basic thermodynamics and you apparently don't understand it. I find the wet bulb wikipedia confusing. How much humidity at 95fahrenheit does it take before people straight up die sitting in the shade? I ask because Phoenix gets to 115-120F how does the body cool off even when its 0% humidity in those kinds of temperatures. How much humidity does it take at 115F before your going to die? Especially of interest because 1) I have workers out in the heat 2) climate change is loving with weather patterns and phoenix is getting wetter
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May 15, 2019 16:52
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Water takes an assload of energy to change state.
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May 15, 2019 17:05
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loving gently caress me sideways, I missed the Beyond Meat IPO last week while I was loving around in Sandon, and it's already gained 200%. 
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May 15, 2019 17:08
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thewalk posted:I find the wet bulb wikipedia confusing. How much humidity at 95fahrenheit does it take before people straight up die sitting in the shade? Like 45% On a desert deep in the continent, the threat is dehydration and getting loving fried by the heat; high wet-bulb temperatures are a threat for tropical and subtropical areas. ED: Phoenix is dying within 10-20 years anyway.
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May 15, 2019 17:11
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thewalk posted:I find the wet bulb wikipedia confusing. How much humidity at 95fahrenheit does it take before people straight up die sitting in the shade? It's standard practice to start a construction shift in Phoenix at 5:30 AM and end it at 2:30 PM at the latest.
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May 15, 2019 17:14
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Rime posted:loving gently caress me sideways, I missed the Beyond Meat IPO last week while I was loving around in Sandon, and it's already gained 200%. I had a Beyond Meat burger yesterday and I liked it a lot. Saw the stock at $78 yesterday and almost bought some. Today Tim Hortons announces their plan to carry Beyond Meat. I'm right there with you!
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May 15, 2019 17:15
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How does it compare taste wise and is it just as filling?
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May 15, 2019 17:20
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They got the texture pretty close - I would say it's like a medium, medium rare burger. Taste is good but it definitely doesn't have that bloody/meaty taste, but that might be a plus for a lot of people. It was pretty filling - I had it right at lunchtime, didn't feel hungry at all until around 6 PM.
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May 15, 2019 17:22
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Kunabomber posted:I had a Beyond Meat burger yesterday and I liked it a lot. Saw the stock at $78 yesterday and almost bought some. Today Tim Hortons announces their plan to carry Beyond Meat. I'm right there with you! Idunno, I tried some Beyond meat and didn't care for it at all, iirc. Impossible is some good stuff though. If they go public, I'm right on with that one.
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thewalk posted:I find the wet bulb wikipedia confusing. How much humidity at 95fahrenheit does it take before people straight up die sitting in the shade? WetBulb temps are measured (at least as I remember it) by having a thermometer on a stick with a handle that allows you to spin it, and with wet cotton on the 'bulb' of the thermometer. It tells you how much you can cool with evaporation. There are more advanced devices nowadays.  If it exceeds 95ºF you will die. There was some areas in the Persian Gulf that approached this recently.
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The Impossible burger tastes close enough to real meat for most purposes. I doubt the average person would even notice it wasn't meat if they were given one during a casual dining experience and not paying super close attention. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't, especially with a beer. The Beyond burger is clearly not meat, but IMO tastes better than the Impossible burger and/or meat. Obviously people's tastes may differ. Basically acceptable alternatives have been developed, there's no good reason to eat real meat hamburgers unless you're a decadent epicure. edit: probably? especially with the cost of cow burps externalized VVVVVVVVVVV Nocturtle fucked around with this message at 18:17 on May 15, 2019 |
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